Double Helix Pandora??

[kittyluv4ever]

Anyone heard any new about a new color from Double Helix called Pandora? If so have you tried it? If you've tried or tested it how did you like it? I've seen a picture of a paddle of it and it kinda looked like gray poo, but the descriptions says that it strikes purples and greens and possibly some red too. I know I haven't received a newsletter from DH and it is not available on their site either.

Oh the lure of new colors, what a terrible addiction!!:-({|=:-({|=

[JavaGirlBT]

I bought some at the Gathering and haven't tried it yet. It is a kiln-strike color, so you have to soak it at annealing temperatures for like 4 hours to bring out the best color.

[kittyluv4ever]

Thanks Ellen, would definitely love to see what it looks like cause I'm an impatient person and having to soak beads for 4 hours seems like a bit of a pain.

[Lara]

I bought some "Pandora Light" at the gathering (I think it is an odd lot, but I don't know), damn, I thought I had bought one light and one regular. I should have pictures later this week. It was difficult to strike in the flame, but it is to strike in the kiln, so we'll see.

[Lara]

I just made the beads I wanted to out of it first, then popped in the kiln, therefore they have the long soak time.

[PaulaD]

I'm a dealer and I haven't been contacted about it yet either. I bet they are really busy between kids and the Gathering.

Paula

[Nicker]

It's gorgeous!! It kiln strikes so the paddle wouldn't be a good way to judge the color. Ididn't do 4 hours maybe about 2 for mine and i got gorgeous purples and blues! I love this glass!

[suzanne]

Pictures Nicker geez.....we want pictures!

[kittyluv4ever]

Yes please please please, with a cherry on top??

[Nicker]

Sorry no pics, I am too busy trying to get reayd for the Bash and Glass Stock :p

[Afterdark]

I watched Lewis at the gathering do a sculptured figure out of the Pandora. It was a pretty green with hints of purple and blue as he worked the glass. After it was kiln struck it went to a pretty purple blue color.
I bought lots of the glass but haven't got a chance to play yet. It's gonna be a love hate glass I got a feelin".

[Troll Lover]

Oh sure, why not make me really poor? I want pics, it sounds amazing!

[Rose Leslie]

Darn, Now I want some of it to.

[sierracatzlampwork]

I used it (Pandora 2) this weekend over apple clear and I got lovely greens and reds..will take a picture and post later. I didn't see much while working on it and considered it a lost cause but it came out of the kiln with nice colors...I soaked mine about an hour.

[Double Helix Glassworks]

Here are some Pandora Pics for you. The green paddle is Pandora before it has been kiln struck. The purple paddle is after.
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Pandora is a kiln striking color, no flame striking required. We recommend kiln striking for 4 hours at 1000 F or you can strike at your regular annealing temperature for a longer time. You could also put it through multiple annealing cycles.

We had a pre-release at the Gathering with our first few batches. We'd love to see your photos!

We will have a full release in a few weeks when we have enough made.

And we are definitely busy with glass and children!

Thanks
Jed and Julie at Double Helix Glassworks

[sislonski]

I bought the Pandora light and the Pandora, LOTS of it.
Initially I was dissapointed as the style or techniques I use I really need to see what I'm getting while I'm working.
So I used it differently then popped it in the kiln and got some amazing colors when it finally popped out of the kiln.

I'll try post some pics later if I get time. Still trying to play catch up since the gathering. So many new glass colors to play with and I haven't had time to play.:roll:

[tiggybubba]

ACK!!! As I scurry off to revise my bash shopping list yet again!!!
Just asking....but how much per lb? and will there be any at the bash?

[suzanne]

ohhhh how purty!

[squid]

that looks yummy - I love that it has green streakiness instead of the brown that so many other silver striking glass has.

[chrissij]

I'd have to anneal mine several times; I never anneal that high or for that long.

[Lara]

I get back to my studio tomorrow and I'm so excited to see how my beads turned out. OH OH OH OH Can't wait. How many more hours until the sun comes up.

PS - my studio is not at my house. SIGH

[Troll Lover]

Jed and Julie, if I encase pandora, will it also strike in the kiln under the encasement or not?

[gmdcrafts]

Oh.my.Gaaaaawd!
Jed, I hope you're making LOTS of it!

[theglasszone]

Here are some Pandora Pics for you. The green paddle is Pandora before it has been kiln struck. The purple paddle is after...
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What the...(bleep!)? How flipping gorgeous is this? Curses...I already had a Million reasons why I regretted not getting to The Gathering...make that a Million and ONE!

~De

[Maria Louisa]

I want that glass, it turns purple :lol:

[Marjo]

ok, so how can I get me some of this stuff???:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:

[kittyluv4ever]

I think Ross over at www.abrimagery.com might still have some left. I'll wait till Double Helix has it on their website as you pay a little more at abr if you only buy a quarter or half pound.

[Nicker]

I encased mine and still got the gorgeous purple color.

[JavaGirlBT]

I tried it this morning. I can't wait to see it when it comes out.

[sunnyone]

ellllen! you didnt put this in my hand ! hehe...I need to see your beads! oh no...I dont need more glass...but this is soooo purty~!

[Lara]

Ok, here are my first four beads I made with the light pandora I got at the gathering. Please excuse the really bad pictures and the super bad press job with the shell press (blech).

The first two beads are cased with clear. First one with two wraps side by side and you can see a little green/blue peaking out between the clear. The second one just had a stripe down the middle. Interestingly the large greenish yellow bead was made on the same mandrel as the bead next to it, but is not cased. It was garaged and annealed the same amount of time. This bead, when it went into the kiln, was more opaque and kinda mossy looking. These first three beads were the first I made that day and garaged for about 4 hours at 960. The shell bead was the very last bead I made that day (it is not cased) and not garaged at all. I turned on my kiln cycle right after popping it in the kiln. You can see it is a mix between the really purple and the green/yellow bead.

Jed and Julie, you know I love your glass and this is no exception, what fun!

[nagibeads]

whoa!
Gorgeous!!! Lara your beads always rock!

[Lara]

Thanks Nagi

[mintleaf]

I hope this glass is for sale before I return to work in Sept.! I am crossing my fingers it won't sell out before I get off work.

Those beads are beautiful Lara!

[glasshouse]

It is also listed at Winship Designs (http://www.winshipdesigns.com/home/ws3/page_11232_366/pandora_coe_104.html). No picture up though.

:) Kelly

[Lara]

OHHHHHH I'm loving this stuff. Here is my latest from the Pandora Light (same as above). These turned out very purple. I'm just loving this purple color. Thanks for the cool color Jed and Julie.

The set is light pandora over clear with clear stripes or dots (plus two with the pandora on amythist cased with clear)

The focal is light pandora over V. light ivory.

[Lara]

Come on, anyone else have pictures?

[AlivELampworK]

i don't have pictures yet, i just got some at beadfest from ross at ABR. i tried it when i demoed.. WOW!! its amazing, when it came out of the kiln the next morning i couldn't believe the colors. the sad part is i traded the bead i made there with the girl who boothed next to me. so this week im going to be using pandora a lot. i promise i'll post pictures. :)

[PaulaD]

Wow you are all getting great color!
Jed and Julie have contacted dealers and we expect to have it late September!

Paula

[sislonski]

Just one photo so far.

[Kevan]

Oh the light is so pretty. I got some dark Pandora yesterday at Frantz and Jed kindly gave me a huge sample rod of Pandora. I made 6 beads out of the one rod. A goddess and 5 other focal beads.



It's beautiful. I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight waiting to check the kiln tomorrow morning.

[fyrebeadz*]

oh man these beads are gorgeous, guess I'm gonna have to get me some too. Now if only my new concentrator would arrive soon so I can get back to work.........

[Kevan]

Ok, I got them out of the kiln and took some pictures.

Sit down, are you sitting down? Of course you are you are at your computer.

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[squid]

holy freaking cow!

[squid]

is that the dark or the light?

[Jinx Garza]

holy freaking cow!


What SHE said!!!! OMG! Fabulous, Kevan!

[crystalflipz]

OMG!! Those beads are flipping gorgeous Kevan!!

[theglasszone]

Ok, I got them out of the kiln and took some pictures.

Sit down, are you sitting down? Of course you are you are at your computer.

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I wasn't sitting down, but I am now!!! Now see what you've done!!! (And....I've got that Carly Simon song running through my head..."No body does it better....Baby you're the best!!!!")

Wow, wow, wow...does anyone know when we get a chance to buy some? (Haven't checked around yet - it may be out there already....)

~De

[rguttierrez]

Awesome beads Kevan.

[PaulaD]

Wow!! Gorgeous! I hope they are making a lot of it!
Paula

[Laurie L]

WoW. Kevin those beads rock !

[kramdas]

OMG Kevan!!! I just fell off my bed...

[encantado]

Holy Tamoley! Those are awesome! Can't wait to get me some of that glass! yumm

[Jayne]

Lara, Shari, Kevan - Holy cow!!! The colors each of you got are stunning!

[Lara]

Kevan, I love the orangey red you are getting. Care to eloborate on how you got that? Do you know how? I LOVE LOVE LOVE your striped bead.

[Kevan]

Thanks everyone, but it's really the glass. I did NOTHING to it but make the bead and put it in the kiln at 960 for about 4 hours and that's how it came out. I didn't even try to strike it, it just did it all by it's self.

[squid]

Thanks everyone, but it's really the glass. I did NOTHING to it but make the bead and put it in the kiln at 960 for about 4 hours and that's how it came out. I didn't even try to strike it, it just did it all by it's self.

Did you use the light or the regular pandora?

[Kevan]

It's the regular. I have some of the dark, but I haven't tried it yet.

[Lara]

Thanks Kevan, I suspected that would be your answer, but thought I would ask. I have gotten surprising results from some DH colors without knowing how I got them too. :)

Hmmm, I have the light, the odd lot and the dark. I'm wondering if the regular gets more of the oranges. Jed, Julie? Any idea?

[squid]

There's three versions??

[Kevan]

It's got more reds and purples, I think. It's a kiln striking glass. I didn't know if I should do anything to strike it in the flame, but remembered Jed told me just stick it in the kiln and leave it there and it will strike.

Now I wish I had gotten some of the light, too. I like those pastel colors you guys got from that.

[Kevan]

There's three versions??

There are two odd lots, light and dark, and then there's the regular that I assume will be available regularly.

[squid]

ah - thanks :)

[Bill Thornton]

Here is a picture of a large puck I took @ the Bash.
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[theglasszone]

Here is a picture of a large puck I took @ the Bash.
Bill T

Teaser!!! This just looks so wonderful.....Thanks for sharing with us - of course, it only makes me want it MORE!!!!!

~De in CA

[Troll Lover]

Okay, I GOT to have this glass!!!

[Wumpmonk]

Wow!!! Gorgeous beads, everyone. I got some Pandora at the Gathering, but haven't tried it yet. Maybe tonight. Thanks for the inspiration.

[Wedhatted]

OMG! What colours. Definitely gotta get me some to play with.

[Pat]

Geeze how beautiful. Must have. :)

[theglasszone]

I can't stop looking at it...and I'm hoping there will be enough to go around, and at a decent price, too!!! Can't wait for the official "roll out" - wish I could have made it to the Bash to pick up a stash!!! Drats...

De

[gubnavnania]

Beautiful!

I better saving up from now. Our $ is going down again :(

[Lara]

There are two odd lots, light and dark, and then there's the regular that I assume will be available regularly.

I also got an odd lot that was not the light or dark, but a prototype that gave me really pastel colors. I don't have the number with me. So, three odd lots that I know of.

[Lara]

Ok, here are tiny samples of the Pandora Dark. They are very very dark and this picture was taken in very bright light. The focal is of the odd lot I mentioned above. Looking at my first picture, I think the round and maybe the shell were also out of this odd lot.

[Kevan]

The goddess has a core of transparent vetrofond crystal clear. I usually do that with the silver glass to stretch it out, a goddess takes almost a whole rod of glass. I think I might get the color variations in them because they are sculpted and heated at different rates in different areas, the boobs go on last.

Jed showed me the inside of a puck of Pandora and it's got the reds on the inside. I don't know why, but maybe that's why I got the reds on the torso and waist.

It usually happens that the colors are very different in different parts of the goddess with the striking glass. Happens with raku and some of the R4s, too, and the DH Terranova.

[Lara]

I'm going to play more, it is fun to put it in green and have it come out purple! You never know what you are going to get.

[Bill Thornton]

I know Jed was selling it to get the word out but I thought it was sort of funny that ABR is selling it now when it is not be be released for 2 weeks or less. That is what I was told.?? I guess I know where I stand.:sad::sad:
A puzzled Vendor Bill Thornton
http://www.morettiandmore.com/
Toll Free 1-877-477-5669

[theglasszone]

I know Jed was selling it to get the word out but I thought it was sort of funny that ABR is selling it now when it is not be be released for 2 weeks or less. That is what I was told.?? I guess I know where I stand.:sad::sad:
A puzzled Vendor Bill Thornton
http://www.morettiandmore.com/
Toll Free 1-877-477-5669

Hummmmm.....!?! :wtf:

At least you got a chance to see it, fondle it, etc. (that puck looks amazing!). There seems to be more than a bit of perplexity regarding this color, the various versions (lt., dk, med., odds 1, 2, 3...), what the price will be (i.e., ABR has it for $100/lb., but if you order less, it's $30+/per quarter?), and when it will actually become available to vendors and customers. I am similarly puzzled, Bill!

Thanks, though, to everyone who has posted their lovely photos and findings so far...

~De in CA

[Bill Thornton]

Hi DeAnne
If I were a lampworker I would take offense to paying above the SRP of a glass when it is new and everyone wants it.
It is like" STICK IT TO THEM when it is new mentality"
I suppose it gets a few quick sales .


Kevan
That nude bead is to die for! Fantastic!
http://www.morettiandmore.com/index.php
Toll Free 1-877-477-5669

[theglasszone]

Hey Bill~~~

I agree that it IS a bit painful to swallow the fact that smaller orders get charged a higher price, especially when - pound for pound - the shipping is calculated on weight and if you pay "minimum" or actual ship charges (especially in light of how HUGE a demand I think there will be for this glass!) it seems a bit unfair.

On the other hand, I think everyone is feeling the economic "pinch" right now - so I suppose there may be a perceived "penalty/reward" for buying a smaller/larger quantity to motivate sales and make time "packing and shipping" worth it for the vendor. Since the time and effort to pack and ship a 1/4 lb. is so similar to the effort put forth to pack and ship a lb. or two, then it's like leaving "dollars on the table" to charge the same amount for a small quantity as a large...at least that is the way I've had it explained to me - in theory!

I suppose one way to off-set this is to go in on a larger quantity with a couple people and then split it up, but the ship cost to distribute almost makes that not worth it either.

Arrrgghh!!!

~De

[AKDesigns]

Does DH have any rules about pricing or release dates? Sounds like this is an issue for DH to deal with if needed.

[Kevan]

Maybe ABR is selling it on order until it arrives?

[theglasszone]

Maybe ABR is selling it on order until it arrives?

Maybe, baby! That occurred to me too, but I just can't afford to buy a small quantity right now to find out - and didn't want to call 'cuz I'z be a chicken!!!
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~De

[fritobsessed]

ABR did the same thing with Psyche last year . . .

[squid]

They did have some, but are now sold out - I just called them.

[theglasszone]

Oh, phooey!!! Well, at least that quells my temptation... :)

Thanks for the update, Squidley!

~De

[Reenie]

Does DH have any rules about pricing or release dates? Sounds like this is an issue for DH to deal with if needed.

Vendors are NOT supposed to sell the glass until the release date! That is a rule that DH established. They also are NOT supposed to sell it above what DH sells it for.
But yes, it's an issue that DH will have to take care and I am sure they will:-)

[glasshouse]

Maybe it was left over from the stock they had at the Gathering? Winship has it on their site also, they were both vendors there.

[lldesigns]

I just spent 3 hours working exclusively with Pandora and can't wait to see what comes out of the kiln!!!

[PaulaD]

Dealers have all been contacted and we will all have the glass for sale Sept 8th !!

Paula

[Bill Thornton]

I thought some might want to see what the rods look like!
http://www.morettiandmore.com/index.php
Toll Free 1-877-477-5669

[Reenie]

Wow Bill...amazing what the rods start out like. I'll have mine Tuesday so I'll have plenty of time to figure out the glass before it goes on sale.
Can't wait to play with this one. It'll be a surprise if mine come out half as good as everyone else's.

Laurie...are yours out of the dang kiln yet???? Don't make me drive over there!!!

[Bill Thornton]

Ok, I got them out of the kiln and took some pictures.

Sit down, are you sitting down? Of course you are you are at your computer.

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Kevan are you making more of these?Goddess!
Think it is fantastic!
Bill T.

[lldesigns]

Well my first attempts are no where near as spectacular as all the other beads in this thread...

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[Reenie]

I just had to brighten up your last set.
These are just awesome!!!!! I love the purples too!!!

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[lldesigns]

I might try a second kiln cycle to see if I can get some more color or get the colors that are there to brighten up a bit.

[Lara]

Do you think it would brighten them or just darken it?

[Kevan]

It can also be the base color of the bead, Laurie. Like most of the silvers it really loves some colors.

This is the light pandora over Silver Cinnamon
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3126/2812745741_0937ef33a0_o.jpg

And this is Pandora over River Rock

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[squid]

Kevan - that silver cinnamon sure got yellow with the pandora - my silver cinnamon is much browner - beautiful!

[lldesigns]

Actually Jed from DH suggested another kiln cycle to see if more colors pop.

I know the silver glass often prefers being put over other colors but that's tough to do with hollows.

Look what happened to this set of hollows that I draped with Pandora shards. The thicker areas turned red making the set look like it's dripping with blood! :-D

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[squid]

That is very cool!

[theglasszone]

I thought some might want to see what the rods look like!
http://www.morettiandmore.com/index.php
Toll Free 1-877-477-5669

Bill, are these considered the "Light, Medium or Dark" rods, or one of the "Odd" versions...?

De

[theglasszone]

Laurie and Kev...

Beautiful!!! I'm dying to try this - I'll have to remember, though - 960 for 4 hours, right?

Thanks for sharing photos. I'm sort of hoping that since there seems to be several versions of this glass already (Light, Dark, Medium and an Odd or two) that when posting in the future (like Kevie did) can you'z guyz kindly say which version you used? Pweeze??????

~De

[Lara]

Kevan, more pretties from you, just lovely.
Laurie, I like those hollows. Very neat.

[Kevan]

Thanks, but it's the glass really.

Laurie you should make a hollow of all pandora. I want to see it. lol I made some shards from it last night. They are so pretty all by themselves. Like rainbows.

I don't think there is a huge difference between the light and regular. Actually there are two lights. Oh boy, more confusion.

[Melinda Willis]

I bought a test batch in May(?) that kiln strikes when I hold it at 940 for 1/2 hour. It's absolutely beautiful! I had noticed when I was heating the rod that what was in the flame was greenish but a portion of the rod not yet in the flame turns beautiful colors. So I decided that if the glass will do that when it's just heated up, maybe it will do it in the kiln too. It did and I am so very happy!
I didn't have to heat the crap out of it or hold my mouth the right way or anything.... just formed the bead and put it in the blanket (I am on a hothead and I batch anneal).

Anyway, I am wondering if Pandora is from the RH204 test batches??

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[Kevan]

That is very cool! The rod looks like the light Pandora.

[Reenie]

I got my Pandora in today......Send good beadie thoughts that I can even work the silver into something that resembles all of yours :-0

[Reenie]

My pandora beads came out like Laurie's. Lots of blues and purples. They just came out of the kiln so I'll take pics later.
It's funny, they went into the kiln looking exactly like the glass rod! One of them had color going in but the one's that were green came out looking better.
So Kevin...I gotta ask you
Do you burn the snot out of it? Do you reduce and then oxy it? Do you play with it a long time or do you just act like it's regular glass?
Do you flash it in the flame?
I'm not sure how to work it but even with not working it for very long and acting like it's a regular bead.....it still came out with some awesome color!!!

[theglasszone]

Any pics yet, Reenie? I'm dying to see more of this glass... :)

Bring it...!!!

De

[squid]

I made a discovery about Pandora that will be helpful to those of us that anneal at a lower temp to protect our other silver glasses. I made a bead and it annealed at my temp of 930 or so for 2 hours and had little to no color the next morning (which was as I expected). I made beads again the next night and still had that bead in the kiln, so I just went ahead with my normal schedule, which was ramp AFAP to 925 and then hold while I work. I worked for about 3 hours or so and then annealed for 2 hours.

When I checked that bead this morning, the color had struck. I don't know if the strike occurred during the ramp to hold, which would be very hot, or because of the extended time, but regardless, it worked. So now I know I don't have to run a separate annealing cycle to strike this color! :)

[glasshouse]

Mine has stayed green. I kept it in the kiln and it has gone through 6 or 7 full cycles since then. I garage at 950 and anneal at 968. It has probably spent at least 36 hours at those temps. There are a couple smidges of purple, but it's still green.

I might try kiln striking at a higher temperature. What's the highest temperature I can go without risk of it getting soft? (Fiber floor in my Chili Pepper.) Any advice? TIA!

~Kelly

[glasshouse]

I do the FULL power ramp too. Dunno! Maybe I'm cursed. I should go try another one.

[DesertDreamer]

Sooooo is it or is it not for sale yet? I'm confused, as usual. :)

I don't have a very good history with DH glass (dunno why, R4 works like a charm no matter what I do), but this reallllly tempts me to try again. I'm kinda bored with silver=blues. This reminds me of Triple Passion from GA. Yum!

[Reenie]

The Pandora glass will be for sale on September 8th!!
Just a couple days to go.
De....I'm trying to figure out how to get the pics off my camera. The USB Port in it is loose and it won't read. Got another LE'r trying to talk me through the little memory stick inside but so far have not found a port that it will fit into.
I'm thinking printer but I need to go find the book to see how to get it read.
OY!
Hopefully soon!

[glasshouse]

Sooooo is it or is it not for sale yet? I'm confused, as usual. :)


I got some at the Gathering from Jed. Regular vendors will have it on the 8th. Breezy at Bridgetown Glass will have it by the rod, a good way to try it before making a big investment.

:) Kelly

[Kevan]

These are Pandora squiggles on Ivory. This shows the exact progression of colors in striking glass, BTW. From the bottom up, this is the progression of the development of colors when you strike silver glass. You get the dark yellow brown first, purple , blue , green and then yellow.

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[Kevan]

This is Pandora shards.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2820399402_4179b1f1c2_o.jpg

Light Pandora

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3115/2826685095_f5e0b64d33_o.jpg

I did nothing to try to strike any of these in the flame.

[theglasszone]

Gawd, I sure hope when I get to play with this I can make it POP!!! It sure is lovely...

Good luck with the download, Reenie! You didn't mention, but I figure since you're trying so hard, those photos must be good..... ;)

De

[DesertDreamer]

Oooh, Kevan, the shards are yummy!!!!! But I'm crazy in love with that pleated bead. WOW!!!

[Jami]

Such pretty beads!
I made one bead and it remained dark red so will try striking it again.

[Tanner Studios]

I came back from the gathering with a whole lot of this glass. Worked making beads with it for a full week. Doing what Jed told me to do. Sorry no photos all the beads are in the Dumpster. All I got was mud. Anyone want to buy five pounds?
Scott

[squid]

Mine have turned out beautifully. How have you been working it?

[lldesigns]

I noticed that the beads I worked on longer got better color. Don't know if that helps anyone...

[DesertDreamer]

I came back from the gathering with a whole lot of this glass. Worked making beads with it for a full week. Doing what Jed told me to do. Sorry no photos all the beads are in the Dumpster. All I got was mud. Anyone want to buy five pounds?
Scott

Wanna do that in 1/4 lb lots???? 8-[

[Tanner Studios]

Karen at this point I will give you a quarter pound if you promise to share with me if you have success. PM me.
Scott

[Jami]

Don't ya just hate that frustration of trying to make a new color work?!
Some people (whisperkevanwhisper) make it look so gorgeous and easy to do.
I say give it a rest and try again in a few days Scott.
But if your really dead set on getting rid of it, I'll buy some. :D

[DebbieSue]

All I got was mud too. I annealed at 1050 for 4 hours.

I'll try again eventually. I only made a few plain round beads with it so far. Maybe I didn't work on them long enough in the flame.

I'm just getting back into working with glass again, slowly but surely....

Debbie

[squid]

1050 is way too high - try 960 for 4 hours.

[Tanner Studios]

Well Jed, Pm'ed ( which is very cool ) and offered to help trouble shoot. So I'm going to hold off the sale and try again.
Scott

[Double Helix Glassworks]

Since we all use different kilns, and different kiln
configurations affect the amount of "heat work" that the glass receives,
I would advise testing a small bead to see how it behaves in your annealer.

Make a simple bead and stick it in the kiln at your regular annealing temperature.
Pull it out at one hour intervals and check it's progress.
As it strikes it will go Amber - Ruby - Purple - Green - Blue - Opaque Red.
When you are done for the day, if it has not struck enough
to suit your tastes, you have two options.
1.) leave it in for an additional day's annealing cycle, or
2.) Increase the striking temperature to accelerate the strike.

I think that within a try or two you will know what time/temperature works best with your annealer.
I also think your results will be consistent and controllable once you have it dialed in.

I suspect that the "muddy" look is a result of overstriking.
Some beadmakers report that a regular annealing cycle at 950ish gives them great color.
That would be most convienient.
I hope you enjoy our newest creation. Feel free to email with any questions you may have
regarding this, or any of our colors.

Jed and Julie at Double Helix Glassworks

[Lara]

Here are two pathetic off mandrel hearts (my first try), but good representative pictures of the colors I'm getting out of the Pandora Light.

[tt4st]

What is the Pandora that is going on sale tomorrow? Does anyone know if it's light, dark, medium or what??? The light Pandora is quite lovely Lara and the colors are so vivid!

[Reenie]

I think the light and dark were only available at the "Glass Stock." This is my understanding.
The Pandora I have in stock has some lighter rods, some darker but mostly they look the same. I have a few rods that have a streak of red inside of it.
I think vendors just have normal "Pandora" No light or dark indicated on any of the labels or invoices.
I'll check with Jed but by the time he responds, the glass will be for sale come midnight tonite:-)

[Double Helix Glassworks]

All the glass available on Monday is the regular formula Pandora.

The "light" and "dark" variations occured only once each, as we settled on the final formula. We took them to the ISGB and Frantz Bash as Odd Lots. We are going to hold the remaining glass from those batches to avoid any further confusion.

Reenie's observation that some rods of Pandora look more transparent than others is true, but we have found during our testing that they all strike the same. Even the "light" and "dark" odd lots strike to the same color range, only a bit "faster" or "slower", respectively.

I apologize for any confusion we may have cause with the premature release of those two Odd Lots. Have no fear, the regular formula Pandora strikes consistently and we are making lots of it.

Jed and Julie at Double Helix Glassworks

[Reenie]

Thanks Jed. I had a feeling you'd respond. Hope you're all feeling better :-)

[Lara]

Thanks Suzanne

[DebbieSue]

I suspect that the "muddy" look is a result of overstriking.
Some beadmakers report that a regular annealing cycle at 950ish gives them great color.

Jed and Julie at Double Helix Glassworks


Yep, I must have overheated mine. They came out a brownish red color. I'll try 950 next time.

Debbie

[PaulaD]

What is the Pandora that is going on sale tomorrow? Does anyone know if it's light, dark, medium or what??? The light Pandora is quite lovely Lara and the colors are so vivid!

Ours is just plain Pandora.

Paula

[Reenie]

These were the beads I made the other night.
The Seashell has NOT been annealed yet. I wanted to show a picture of it before it hits the kiln...Then be totally surprised at the finished product!!

The heart and the round beads were annealed at 960 for a little under 4 hours.
They went into the kiln looking like "Pale Emerald Green"

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[TeRangiStudio]

Just got my first test bead out of the kiln .... WOW.
Lovely colors, medium and dark purples, blues, bit of reddish and a little bit of cream.
I seriously started to drool just seeing the color - the bead is blah, but oh the colors.

I didn't do anything special with it. Just annealed 2 hours on 260. I even thought this will turn out blech because I first reduced by accident - I completely forgot for a second that it was not a reducing glass.

I will do more testing today and I will try to anneal a bit longer, just to see the difference.
Oh - and I just had to order 1/2 pound of it (never did that with silver glass), because I bought only one rod originally.

[Pat]

That light pandora Chick looks like she's on fire.

[Carols Glass]

My Pandora (regular) leaf is in the kiln, I'm checking every so often, nothing ever changes from the green. It's on 968. I'm about ready to sell the remaining that I have left. I don't have time for this kiln sitting annealing.

[DesertDreamer]

Well, I broke down and ordered some (plus an odd lot). I should know better...I've never had success with DH glass...but this is too pretty to pass up! Crossing my fingers. I messed around with some other DH glass today, and as usual got absolutely nothing out of it. <sigh>

If a long soak is the key, I'm gonna have to wait until November to really give it a try. That's when our power rates drop so I can work all day and let the kiln run much longer. Hrmph.

[Lara]

Karen - For my beads, I just made the first in the sitting and them popped them in the kiln, that way when I'm done for the day, they have been in the kiln for 4 hours or more already.

[squid]

I was able to leave mine in the kiln and the regular cycle I ran next time I torched struck mine!

[Carols Glass]

I want Pandora Light. The only pretty beads I've seen were with that. I would gladly trade my regular for that. I've only used one rod so far.

I'm still regularly checking the kiln. I put it in at 1:30 PM and it is going on 11:30 PM and still muddy looking with tinges of dark pink. Never give up hope, lol!

[Carols Glass]

Can you really torch strike this? I'll try that with the little short I have left!

[squid]

The only difference, per Jed, between the light, regular and dark is the amount of time in the kiln it takes to get the color. They all get the same color.

[Carols Glass]

I can't wait to see some pics to convince me of that!

[DesertDreamer]

Karen - For my beads, I just made the first in the sitting and them popped them in the kiln, that way when I'm done for the day, they have been in the kiln for 4 hours or more already.

Weekdays I get 2 to 2-1/2 hours work time tops. :pout: It's almost not worth running the kiln but that's what compulsions are all about, right? ;) I've warned my family that next weekend is MINE.

[Willabeast]

I just got word from Artistry in Glass that the sample pack I ordered will include a rod of Pandora! I can hardly wait to try it! :biggrin:

[Carols Glass]

ok, I think this is so funny I had to write it before I go to bed. After annealing it all day, the Pandora leaf looked pretty ugly, muddy, and disgusting. Squid had given me the idea, I took the bead out of the kiln and repeatedly got it molten hot and struck it at least 4 times, maybe 5. Then, I put it back into the kiln. After about an hour I looked at it, expecting the same brown, muddy color and what did I find? Pretty blue colors! I'm definitely going to be playing with this glass some more instead of selling it :-).

[bead crazy]

Well I made a big bead and it went in the kiln green and came out green. I had my kiln at 980 and for some reason I had 3 beads stick together so I am sure it was hot enough. It was the first bead I made and it was in there for my whole toching sesson 8 hrs. Sucks. I did not get much color out of the triton odds eithier.

[Kevan]

That is just soooo weird. Honestly, I did nothing to any bead except make a bead and stick it in to cook.

How big of a bead did you make, Lori?

[Reenie]

I hav to agree. I'm the silver challenged one and I can get color out of it. How are you working it???
Could that be part of the problem?
I'm doing annealing at 960 for about 3 hours or so. I batch anneal too!

[Carols Glass]

Just strike it, you'll like it! I have a leaf now with pretty colors! I lost the shape of it when I kept striking it in the flame, but I'm just happy to have colors now. It stayed mud for over 10 hours at 968. Got it out, struck it lots, popped it back in, I will take pics and show you in a while.

[Pat]

Well I have a couple small round beads that are so dark I can't tell what color they are. I put them in the kiln at 970 toward the end of the torch time. But my kiln stays hot along time. I'm not about to babysit beads. Blech.

[TeRangiStudio]

Ok, so I took the beads out of the kiln after having them in for 4 hours at 960. The colors are NOT as nice as the ones from yesterday.

Yesterday I tried first to reduce the bead and popped it into the kiln for 2 hours.
The beads of today I didn't reduce or strike or anything and had them in the kiln for 4 hours.

The colors are there, but quite dark - only dark purples and dark blues.
While yesterday I had all sorts of purples, blues and reds - lighter and darker.

I will post some photos in a bit. It seems, that with my set up it works better, if I manipulate the glass a bit longer before putting it in the kiln. I might just have enough Pandora left to do another test today.

[TeRangiStudio]

Here's a photo.

The rounds are Pandora over Dark Ivory. The swirly one is Pandora over Triton and the dotted one is Pandora over Vetrofond Clear with clear dots.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/JudithB/PandoraTest.jpg

I find the colors a bit too dark and muted. Except the Triton bead, where I like the colors, but it looks as if it didn't fully strike yet (some parts are still a muddy greenish color). I assume that the colors on the Triton bead are a bit nicer, because I reduced it swiftly, to get the Triton silver shine out.

[Carols Glass]

Well, Judith, your beads put my leaf bead to shame but I will post it anyway because I had this leaf in my kiln annealing all day yesterday, checking often, seeing nothing till I got it out and flashed it in the back of the flame to get it used to it first, then repeated striking but not much annealing afterwards, just about an hour or so. At least it is not brown anymore!68405

[TeRangiStudio]

I don't think my beads are better at all. I like that your colors are bright ... mine are just too dark.

So basically you had the bead for hours in the kiln, then took it out again and stroke it several times, then put it back into the kiln?

The problem with this glass seems to be that it reacts very differently depending on the studio set up (or how the sun is standing at the moment you drop it in the kiln?).

That can lead to very nice results if you're lucky, but makes it very unpredictable. I was so enthusiastic yesterday after my initial results, I made a whole set and I can basically forget it. The colors didn't come out at all. :(

[squid]

Ok, so I took the beads out of the kiln after having them in for 4 hours at 960. The colors are NOT as nice as the ones from yesterday.

Yesterday I tried first to reduce the bead and popped it into the kiln for 2 hours.
The beads of today I didn't reduce or strike or anything and had them in the kiln for 4 hours.

The colors are there, but quite dark - only dark purples and dark blues.
While yesterday I had all sorts of purples, blues and reds - lighter and darker.

I will post some photos in a bit. It seems, that with my set up it works better, if I manipulate the glass a bit longer before putting it in the kiln. I might just have e.nough Pandora left to do another test today.

Don't reduce it - and you don't really need to strike it either, but I did get a better variety of colors when I struck it like other striking silver glasses and then put it in the kiln. I got some faint streaks of purple and red when I was striking but for the most part it stayed green. After the kiln strike though, it was very pretty

[beadbroad]

I think the unpredictability is what's fun about this glass. When I want predictable, I use Bullseye.

[Carols Glass]

I don't think my beads are better at all. I like that your colors are bright ... mine are just too dark.

So basically you had the bead for hours in the kiln, then took it out again and stroke it several times, then put it back into the kiln?

The problem with this glass seems to be that it reacts very differently depending on the studio set up (or how the sun is standing at the moment you drop it in the kiln?).

That can lead to very nice results if you're lucky, but makes it very unpredictable. I was so enthusiastic yesterday after my initial results, I made a whole set and I can basically forget it. The colors didn't come out at all. :(

I love the looks of your beads!

I had that leaf in my kiln annealing from 1:30PM to at least 10:30PM or 11:30PM before I decided to flame strike it and put it back in the kiln. Not expecting anything, I checked the leaf one more time before going to bed and did the jaw drop, lol!

This was the second mud bead and unlike the first one, this one was still on the mandrel so I could flame strike it. I will probably continue to flame strike it and then put it in the kiln. I don't have 10 hours to see if it strikes in the kiln or not. I just happened to be making shards yesterday and didn't have to ruin any other beads while checking on it all day long.

[Lara]

Judith, those are lovely (and the picture is great too).

[Lara]

Carol

Your leaf is lovely. Those colors are great. Try it on a different backgroud, you may have a different outcome.

[Lara]

I decorated dark ivory and white with the Pandora shards. You can see the difference in the colors. The one on the ivory is a lot darker than on the white. I always recommend 2 layers of shards with the DH colors. When on ivory, you can see the brown color reaction through the one layer of shards and the glass just looks grey or brown (and in this case black). I suspect the yellow areas on the white heart bead are the one layer of pandora, but I don't know for sure.

Please excuse the quick snapshots on my windowsill.

[Carols Glass]

I'll do that, Lara, what was your annealing schedule for these beads? I love the heart!

[Lara]

As above, I just make the first during my day. They sit at 960 while making beads (usually about 4 hours), then I soak at 968 for another hour, then ramp down.

[gubnavnania]

I wonder what happen if I buy Pandora and make beads at the start of torching with garaging at 960 for 10 hours? Not that I torch that long, but I usually have a 1-2 hours break in between.

[Lizabeads]

I got mine from Bill Super Super fast http://www.morettiandmore.com/index.php
and got some fantastic colors, purples with red streaks.. I have got to go order some more!! :grin:

THANKS Bill and Donelle !!!

[Reenie]

Um Lisa???? Aren't you forgetting somthing???
Where's the pictures?????

Tomorrow I will finally anneal my seashell. It's been in the 100's here and just too hot to turn on kiln so tomorrow morning since I'll be home all day....I'll see if manipulation makes the colors come out more!!

[Rachel]

I finally have something to show. I made just one bead yesterday due to carpal tunnel surgery but I made this bead with no extra working in the flame. I didn't reduce or try to strike it. I just let it soak at 960 for 4-5 hours and then crashed the kiln because it was a test. I am shocked with the colors because it went in looking so gray and khaki. I never thought it could possibly work. But, here's my Pandora teddy.

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[Carols Glass]

WOW, that Pandora Bear is amazing!

Last night I made some shards and they wouldn't blow up. I had to keep getting it hot and molten and trying again and again. Finally, after much grief and praying somehow it blew up and I made a white heart bead and just when I got done shaping it I ran out of propane so I stuck the heart into the kiln. I went back in an hour or so and saw these colors which I was amazed at till I saw the bear above!

[Jami]

I think the difference in the last two pics colors are that one is encased and the other isn't.

[Carols Glass]

I think the difference in the last two pics colors are that one is encased and the other isn't.

The bear is encased?

[squid]

WOW, that Pandora Bear is amazing!

Last night I made some shards and they wouldn't blow up. I had to keep getting it hot and molten and trying again and again. Finally, after much grief and praying somehow it blew up and I made a white heart bead and just when I got done shaping it I ran out of propane so I stuck the heart into the kiln. I went back in an hour or so and saw these colors which I was amazed at till I saw the bear above!

Your color is not fully developed - there is still a lot of green in it. Try striking it in the kiln for 3 hours more and I would bet you have more color.

[Jami]

When I first looked at yours Carol, I thought it was encased.
My mistake.

[Carols Glass]

When I first looked at yours Carol, I thought it was encased.
My mistake.

It really does look encased, doesn't it?

No problem.


Squid, It's going back into the kiln for 3 more hours! Testing, 1, 2, 3, lol (even though I LOVE that color of green, it's a beautiful lime green)

[Just Nancy]

I have a quick side question. To me it goes with this glass, and other silver glass in general. I don't really want it to be missed in the technical forum.

I thought the reason I was getting different colors from my kiln than what was in my torch was my kiln wasn't hot enough. I have an Aim and the probe is at the top and the bead door I presume looses heat (and the temp at the probe I presume is higher because of heat rising and all). So, I changed my schedule to garage hotter. It really hasn't made any difference. Did I go the wrong direction? Should I garage cooler than before? I think I was at 975 and upped it to 1,000, then it goes to 980 for an hour and drops. (I think, I'd have to check to be sure.) If anyone wants to reply and not clog up this thread a pm would be great. Thanks.

[squid]

Most silver glass - the ones that strike - need a LOWER temp, not a higher one. Pandora is unusual that way. I would recommend lowering your kiln temp for most silver glass.

[Just Nancy]

Thanks. Sorry for heading off topic. I went the wrong direction.

No wonder there was no change. ;)

[Rachel]

I have an AIM kiln with the same thing. the heating coils are at the top and the bead door is at the bottom. Pandora bear was made in that kiln at 960 degrees for 4 hours. I would say to leave it longer. The first time I used pandora, I put it in at 1050 in my boro kiln and I got brick red when it was done. So, I wouldn't go higher but you could leave it longer.

[Just Nancy]

Cool. Thanks Rachel.

[sunflower33]

These were garaged at 940 for 5 hrs., then annealed at 950 for 1 hour (my regular annealing schedule). I formed the beads just like any regular Effetre bead I might make... I didn't strike them, didn't reduce them... just shaped them and popped them in the kiln. So easy! :koolaid: When they went in the kiln they looked sort of transparent olive green with a few opaque green streaks.http://www.beadabundant.com/pand_test1.jpg
The last two beads on the right are encased (with Vetro clear)... I like the color better. It's a little lighter but still very vivid.

[PolychromeBeads]

I was wondering about encasing Pandora - I tried a lotus bead, but didn't get anything on the first run through the kiln (about 3 hours). I put it through a second time yesterday, for about 6 hours. The areas that had a bit of color got darker, but the areas that have little or no color still have no color! I did a couple of other Pandora beads, unencased, that I had no problem striking.

I'm thinking encasing will be problematic, depending on how thick the encasing is. I'll post pics on Monday. Tummy's bad today. :sad:


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[C-Ann]

Thanks everyone for sharing your tips and pic's - my glass just came today and I cannot wait to try it out in the morning:)

[TeRangiStudio]

Well, I made up my mind: this glass *IS* unpredictable.

Did a set of beads today, did everything exactly the same as yesterday. Even used the same glass combination: Triton and Pandora.
Result after 4 hours at 960: nothing! Green semi-translucent streakiness. No purples, no blues.

However - A few small complementing rounds with Pandora only developed the same dark purple as the rounds yesterday.

Started the kiln up again and hopefully will see tomorrow morning something else than green streakiness. ](*,)

[Carols Glass]

If my beads which I made with Pandora glass stringers today don't look good tomorrow when I get them out of my kiln I am going to make up the rest of my Pandora rods into shards to give them a good start and from then on use only shards.

[Carols Glass]

Ok, here is the verdict. I'm very happy with everything except one bead I made on ivory and saw the blackness and decided to not make a set out of THAT!

But I did a lot of beads, some with encasing and some without and I must get more of this glass!!!!

Jed, you did promise to never stop making this glass, right?

I had my kiln set on 900 while garaging and 940 when annealing for 4 hours. I do think my kiln is hotter than it reads.

I'll show pics soon.

The white heart I put back in went to a green and red though :-(, but that is ok because it was a test bead.

[anne225]

I have been reading this thread and nearly bought some of this glass last week. I can understand the "making the beads at the beginning of the torching time" and the fact that you may torch for 4-5 hours so the first ones sit in the kiln for awaile.
I don't understand how you put them back in the kiln for another go around the next day without them cracking.....when do you put them in? When you turn the kiln on or when the kiln is up to its cycle temp?
I use a preprogrammed cycle that was on my kiln from AS and have always been to hesitant to touch it. It plays around at 956 to 965 throughout the time I torch and then ramps down, soaks etc..total cycle takes about 4 1/2 -5 hours.
Would this be acceptable to attempt to get this glass to do its thing??

Thanks....
Anne

[theglasszone]

Anne:

I put mine back in when the kiln is cool and I'm doing the initial ramp up (full speed). This didn't seem to cause any cracking and although I think I left them in there too long (6hrs.) and at too high a temp. (960) the color went from the green to the dark purple so I know there's a "between" somewhere in there that I'll eventually find.

I'm pretty sure that Kevan said, when she did her amazing Goddess, she annealed for 4 hours at 940...I must try this and not get carried away. This just might be the recipe that works for me.

~De

[Carols Glass]

I'll just post my favorites from last night. My Pandora encased big hole beads.

Can't wait to make more!!!

[theglasszone]

Oooo, Carol! Delish!!! Can you please share your annealing time and temp? Thanks...

~De

[theglasszone]

Don't want to bring the thread "down", but these were my first results - not real happy with any; must try the "KEVAN" schedule next (4 hr. annealing/940 degrees):

Pandora base with dots - went to sleep:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora2.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora1.jpg

Clear base, Pandora dots, encased - also went to sleep:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora3.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora4.jpg

Ivory base, Pandora dots - so very dark!
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora5.jpg

With all of these beads, each was made and annealed for 6 hours at 960. They pretty much did nothing the first time round (all had mostly the olive green color to Pandora, except for the Ivory/Pandora bead, which went to a mud brown). On the next kiln session, I put them into the cold kiln, did full ramp, left to anneal again during my next lampworking session, and they were in there for a total of another 6 hours before ramp down. This is what you see here. Strange how the encased dots stayed SO PALE, and the surface dots go SO DARK!!!

~De

[Carols Glass]

DeAnne,

I wasn't taking credit for "KEVAN'S" schedule, you asked me and I told you and that just happens to be what my kiln has been set on for ages now and with a Wide Guy kiln it is for me a complicated procedure to change it all.

I've deleted my post giving you my answer to your question above.

[IF-Designs]

omg this is such a gourgeous glass dangit i wish I could torch! gurmbles...I have to get some of this when I get a chance to torch again its just so lovely.

[squid]

DeAnne,

I wasn't taking credit for "KEVAN'S" schedule, you asked me and I told you and that just happens to be what my kiln has been set on for ages now and with a Wide Guy kiln it is for me a complicated procedure to change it all.

I've deleted my post giving you my answer to your question above.


She didn't mean anything negative by what she said in her post - Deanne would never do that.

[Carols Glass]

I would like to say that this is "KEVAN'S" schedule, just read post 56, please

Hers is 960 for 4 hours.

http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101512&highlight=pandora&page=2

[Carols Glass]

It's not important, it's just the capital letters and quotations around Kevan that's all, lol!!!

[Carols Glass]

Don't want to bring the thread "down", but these were my first results - not real happy with any; must try the "KEVAN" schedule next (4 hr. annealing/940 degrees):

Pandora base with dots - went to sleep:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora2.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora1.jpg

Clear base, Pandora dots, encased - also went to sleep:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora3.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora4.jpg

Ivory base, Pandora dots - so very dark!
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Pandora5.jpg

With all of these beads, each was made and annealed for 6 hours at 960. They pretty much did nothing the first time round (all had mostly the olive green color to Pandora, except for the Ivory/Pandora bead, which went to a mud brown). On the next kiln session, I put them into the cold kiln, did full ramp, left to anneal again during my next lampworking session, and they were in there for a total of another 6 hours before ramp down. This is what you see here. Strange how the encased dots stayed SO PALE, and the surface dots go SO DARK!!!

~De

lol, see the capital letters?

[squid]

I saw them, but she didn't mean anything by it - I know her and trust me, she didn't.

[Carols Glass]

ok, thank you. I think you are right, squid :-)

[Janel Dudley]

Got some from Bill the other day, going to go try this color out! cross ya fingas

[Carols Glass]

Oooo, Carol! Delish!!! Can you please share your annealing time and temp? Thanks...

~De


This was really a nice compliment, thanks DeAnne!

[Shane]

De's too much of a sweetheart to be negative :love:

Been playin with this stuff. Will try to get pics soon.

[AKDesigns]

Five hours at 970 and then an hour at 980 and then a slow ramp down and my bead came out the color of the rod. I'm guessing that it over struck back to rod color and I need less time in the kiln?

[squid]

hmm..... I would expect it to overstrike and be dark muddy colors. Perhaps put it back in the kiln and try 960 for 4 hours and see what happens?

[theglasszone]

My bad! Carol, if I hurt feelings or anything, I sincerely apologize. I believe yesterday was my personal official "OPEN MOUTH, INSERT FOOT" day!!!

The reason I called it "KEVAN'S" was because for some reason, it was her post - along with her Goddess - that made this schedule stick in my mind. Frankly, now that I scroll through the thread, I probably should change my reference to the "ELLEN/LARA/JED&JULIE/CAROL/KEVAN/and a few others I'm sure I missed" schedule (giggle!), but at this point, I'm just so hopeful to find the "RIGHT" schedule, at least for me!

Your beads came out pretty neat, Carol. As you saw in my post, as soon as I encased my large dots in clear, they fell asleep at the wheel! Not sure what I'm doing wrong!

At least some of you are having great success with it! Keep the pics and info. coming! I haven't given up yet....

De

[AKDesigns]

hmm..... I would expect it to overstrike and be dark muddy colors. Perhaps put it back in the kiln and try 960 for 4 hours and see what happens?

I also had the bead nearest the heating element as well. I'll stick it in the middle of the kiln just for fun and try what you suggested. I was really hoping I would pull out a pretty purple water lily bead....

[squid]

I also had the bead nearest the heating element as well. I'll stick it in the middle of the kiln just for fun and try what you suggested. I was really hoping I would pull out a pretty purple water lily bead....

I supposed it could have overstruck and then re-struck of it was that close to the elements. Do you have any AFAP or full ramps in your schedule after you put your beads in while working?

[theglasszone]

Overstruck, re-struck - I'm dumbstruck. Or maybe just plain dumb! But I'm determined to try again - I'll get you, my pretty...!

De

[AKDesigns]

Do you have any AFAP or full ramps in your schedule after you put your beads in while working?

Huh? Speak English missy.

[squid]

LOL - do any of your segments once the beads are in the kiln go at "FULL", "AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" or "9999"? This can cause a temp spike in your kiln.

[AKDesigns]

LOL - do any of your segments once the beads are in the kiln go at "FULL", "AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" or "9999"? This can cause a temp spike in your kiln.

Ah....yes but only from 970 to 980. I can bypass that. I'm not even sure why I programmed a 10 degree increase for my hour long hold. :lol:

[squid]

change that segment to 500 dph or something like that and it will heat almost as fast to the next temp, but not keep the element on the whole time (which is what causes those temp spikes)

[Breezy]

Wow, beautiful beads everyone...it's so fun to see the many variations!

I made a whole lotta Pandora beads last week, but these are my favorite...annealed at the same temp as my Bullseye (because I never change my settings!) 970, I heated a gather nice an hot, made one bead to a mandrel and put them in the kiln still transparent.
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Breezy

[AKDesigns]

Those are awesome Breezy! I think this glass just annoys me.

[DesertDreamer]

I did a little bitty test bead today, just a doughnut with dots of clear...the dots are purple underneath, though kinda light, the rest is a pleasant streaky slightly gray-green. That's a better result than I usually get with DH glass. :) Meanwhile, I'm crazy about the Triton odd lot I got!

[Breezy]

Thanks Amy!

[Reenie]

Those are awesome Breezy!!!
I won't even show my seashell after it was annealed. It didn't change an iota!
I was really hoping. Very wierd glass to say the least. Mine looked better when they went in transparent so I'll have to try that again.
Just have fun with the glass and not try so hard. That seems to be the trick!

[Breezy]

Yes! Maybe this glass requires mellow vibes:lol:

I had the best luck putting them in transparent for sure. Here's a set that I made exactly the same way as the ones above, but I did 3 to a mandrel so by the time they went in the kiln the first ones were starting to opacify-
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[PolychromeBeads]

Here are my first three Pandora beads.

#1 was really a total test - it's all Pandora, wound and then shaped. I added the dots as an afterthought, wondering if they would strike differently since they hadn't been worked as much as the body. It sat in the kiln for about 4.5 hours.
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#2 is a layer of Pandora over a clear base. I made it a thin layer, and you can actually slightly see through it if you hold it up to a light. This one was in the kiln for about 2 hours.
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#3 is my Pandora lotus. I wondered if this would work, since it is completely encased in clear. It originally went through a 5 hour cycle, then a second 6 hour cycle. You can see not much color. I think the clear must insulate it too much.
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If I was very scientific (and anal!) I might make plain Pandora spacers every hour and kiln them, then I'd have a nice visual record of how long to get what color...


Aimee
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[DesertDreamer]

Here's my first teeny test bead...am I on the right track? (clear dots)

[squid]

You definitely are, Karen!

[squid]

Yes! Maybe this glass requires mellow vibes:lol:

I had the best luck putting them in transparent for sure. Here's a set that I made exactly the same way as the ones above, but I did 3 to a mandrel so by the time they went in the kiln the first ones were starting to opacify-
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I held one of my beads in the back of the flame to try and strike it just to see what it would do - it did develop some red and purple wispiness after a few minutes, but still struck the same as another one that went into the kiln pretty transparent.

[Lara]

Beautiful Breezy.

[Breezy]

Interesting Squid, the more purple ones in that set were the ones I did last on each mandrel and they were totally transparent. I don't know!??? Maybe it was the shoes I was wearing! Actually when I made the more purple set I was wearing a Garfield t-shirt that says "have a nice day"...could have something to with it.

[squid]

LOL - sure could Breezy! How long did you anneal?

[Breezy]

My schedule takes 6 hours

[squid]

weird - I wonder if you tried batch annealing a couple at 990 if they would strike more?

[Breezy]

I'm actually really happy with the 1st set I posted so I'll probably just keep doing them that way...I just posted that second set as an example of the ones I made that weren't completely transparent when they went into the kiln ;)

[Breezy]

Thanks Lara!

[squid]

I like them too - I just can't help wondering is all :)

[Breezy]

Oh, I forgot something- with the first set I didn't put any of them near the heating element, just about halfway into the kiln.

[anne225]

The Lotus bead is marvelous.
Breezy, I love the first set !

So as I hear /see it...the trick and success of this glass is all in the footwear, the T-shirt you are wearing, the time of day, the mandrel placement in your kiln, the color of your hair, the length of time at 990 versus 970 versus 920, the number of days you can spare annealing the same blasted beads, how many beads you make on one mandrel and if your name ends in a vowel or consonant ...:lol:

Any advice on what the " libation" might be for this glorious event????;)


Cheers....and I can't wait to order some.

Anne

[Pat]

B reezy those are so soothing. Mine are black. Yuck don't like this stuff. Putting it away.

[TeRangiStudio]

Yeap Anne - you pretty much sumed it up. :wink:

One thing to add: for me I found that if I use Pandora on a raised design (shards, raised swirls or swipes, dots etc) it developes lovely colors.
However, if I melt it in - pretty much nada.

Don't know if that helps any one else - If I even can't replicate my own results from one day to the other? ](*,)

I personally find that very frustrating - others might find it exciting.

[TeRangiStudio]

If I was very scientific (and anal!) I might make plain Pandora spacers every hour and kiln them, then I'd have a nice visual record of how long to get what color...

Aimee


Aimee,
That would be actually a good idea. However, I found that even with the same set up (temperature, glass used, size of beads, kiln time) I get different results from one day to the other.
The only beads that come out always with the same result are said little plain Pandora spacers.

BTW - love your beads, especially the Lotus bead.

[Jami]

Here are a few I've made over the past few days.
Sorry about the table shot and finger prints.
The ones on the mandrels are going back in for another cycle.
http://jamihamilton.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8354f9d6869e2010534a8a531970b-pi

http://jamihamilton.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8354f9d6869e2010534af8701970c-pi

[kramdas]

Thanks everyone for being so generous with your helpful hints! I took my first crack at it today after I read all the info here. Set my kiln to usual temp -I'm guessing around 950. Made several shapes and sizes, and took notes (THIS time! Finally remembered!) I noticed the Pandora acted the same as Luna does for me striking wise. Popped them into the kiln and....nothing. (Same color as they went in 2 hrs. later.) Cranked it up a notch and after a half hour...ta da-got to the reddish brown zone. I'll be keeping an eye on them and will post my results. I was afraid of too much heat at first, but since the color didn't budge I turned it up figuring I had nothing to lose. Hope the color keeps moving! (crossing fingers)...

[Angel]

Hi,

finally, Pandora found the way in switzerland, so I gave it a try....
Looks quite nice, but the glass is kind of a diva :rolleyes:

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2186/pandorawalzehz4.jpg

This one is over white; it was 10 minutes in the kiln because of a phone call... I put it back in the further part of the flame and the colors developed...
The rest of about three hours in the kiln - nearly nothing happend... But I like it anyway.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4194/pandoraschwarzve8.jpg

This one is made with a black base. quite hard to see without sun ;-)
But it went totally black in black in the kiln, and stayed there for about 5 hours. So I think the color is ok. At least the visible part of the color....:D

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8370/pandoralentilssj4.jpg

These have got the best result - on white and CiM Rose Quarz (layed around on my table...) and I flamestruck all of them after maybe one hour in the kiln. But - they all cracked in the flame... I healed the cracks, but they are still visible in the pattern.

My annealing temperature is 968° and I guess, its a bit to low for pandora. My kiln control is very exact... I know about other kilns who tend to overfire a little bit; maybe thats the reason for different results in different kilns with the same temperature.

greetings of switzerland
Angela

[AKDesigns]

Diva is right! My Water Lily bead had been in the kiln at 970 for five hours and then went through a very slow ramp down and it came out the color of the rod. So today I put it smack dab in the center of the kiln and I'm in the process of doing a very slow ramp up (over a 2 hour period) and right now it's at 812 degrees. So I decide to peek at it and pull the bead closer to the bead door....and the freakin' thing is already BLUE! :lol: Now what? I was going to make beads for a couple hours but I guess now as soon as it hits 960 I'll have to do a ramp down and I swear I'll scream if I pull out a rod colored bead tomorrow.

[Just Nancy]

Diva is right! ..... I swear I'll scream if I pull out a rod colored bead tomorrow.
:lol: I sure hope not. No negative waves! ;)

[kramdas]

Diva is right! My Water Lily bead had been in the kiln at 970 for five hours and then went through a very slow ramp down and it came out the color of the rod. So today I put it smack dab in the center of the kiln and I'm in the process of doing a very slow ramp up (over a 2 hour period) and right now it's at 812 degrees. So I decide to peek at it and pull the bead closer to the bead door....and the freakin' thing is already BLUE! :lol: Now what? I was going to make beads for a couple hours but I guess now as soon as it hits 960 I'll have to do a ramp down and I swear I'll scream if I pull out a rod colored bead tomorrow.

Just peeked at mine ramped down to around 500 now, and they're still lookin' good. I think once you actually achieve color it'll stay as long as you're just cooling. It's looking good for your Water Lily!!! :)

[AKDesigns]

Okay....I think I was hallucinating. I pulled the bead out again when the kiln reached 960 and it was the same original color like the rod. I do have a fever. :lol: So I made a couple beads and then made another Pandora Walter Lily and then looked at that original Water Lily again and it had developed some red streaks in it....barely. I then made a quickie Pandora encased in Juno and then some bhbs. I looked at the original WL again, still the same. Looked at the second WL, the same. But the quickie Pandora encased with Juno is blood red. So what the heck does that mean? Either Pandora likes to be encased or it doesn't like to be worked very long...or both. :lol:

[squid]

Try flame striking one. I did that with one of my beads - held it in the back of the flame for about 5 minutes and got some red streaks in it and then put it in the kiln where it finished striking.

[AKDesigns]

I've already shut her down for the day so if they don't strike this round I'll give that a try.

[Rachel]

I was disappointed with my second attempt at it. I made 4 beads and treated them the same as pandora teddy but I put them in the kiln glowing a bit, held it at 960 for 4 hours and then crashed it. I have a greenish, red color on all of them and I am very disappointed. I don't have a clue what the difference is but I wasted a bunch of it on these. I don't know if red means it was over-struck or if it didn't strike at all. Bummed about it so please let me know if anyone figures out how to make the results consistent every time. I sure don't. My first attempt was great and second was a bomb. I thought I did the same and made the same sized beads and spent the same amount of time in the flame etc. I haven't tried encasing it yet. I feel your pain Amy.

[smiltroy]

ok, i tryed 1st at 960 for 5 hours, same beads, second time at 1000 for 4 hours, then 3rd time 960 for 6 hours, still nothing happened... 1 or 2 of 8 beads did turn some nice purples, but one of them, it did only turne the color in one side of the bead :| and the other only struck in the middle of the bead, i just dont understand...