Which concentrator for a Lynx?

[parisgal]

I've just upgraded to a Lynx, and I can tell that I'll be refilling my tanks more often.

So, I'm seriously thinking of getting a concentrator. I'd like to have just one, and I've heard that there are now models that can run a Lynx at full power or close to it. I'd love to hear anyone's feed back about their experiences, flame flexibility with a concentrator and / or suggestions what the Lynx needs to run at it's best.

I was also wondering if anyone ran a concentrator and a tank at times?

Thanksk!

[Justin L]

As far as a concentrator goes, I would suggest a Devilbiss Solairis 505. They are a 5 Liter Per Minute unit, put out 8-9 PSI (among the highest from a standard concentrator) and last between 20-25k hours before they need to be rebuilt. Service consists of annual filter changes. They are whisper quiet.

You can also get other concentrators too, but the Devilbiss puts outa higher pressure than most other concentrators!

[JavaGirlBT]

I use an Integra 10 that I got from Paulette at Suncoast beads. A bit pricey, but well worth it. I had been running 2 concentrators, but with the 10 lpm, you only need one.

[parisgal]

Thanks for the info -- I think the Integra is one that I'd heard about. You're pretty happy with it?

[kbinkster]

I'm using an Integra 10 with a Lynx right now. I like it, and the guy that built the torch likes it, too.

[parisgal]

lol :-)

[JavaGirlBT]

Thanks for the info -- I think the Integra is one that I'd heard about. You're pretty happy with it?

Wicked happy. :smile:

[Mr. Smiley]

It the integra can supply what it needs volume wise, I'd also look into the M-10 and M-20. The M-20 will put out about 10 LPM at 20 PSI. GTT's like higher pressures. ;)

[Justin L]

Has anyone tested the Purity of the M-10 and M-20? What kind of results did they get?

[suzanne]

I am using the 5 lpm one for soft glass, works excellent, and am using two for boro, works like a charm:)

[Mr. Smiley]

Has anyone tested the Purity of the M-10 and M-20? What kind of results did they get?

I don't have that info, but I have run a few and they rock from my limited experience. I'm getting two M-20's and will be running them every day, so I'll keep you posted. ;)

[Justin L]

cool..I'd like to know :) Ive heard of some people getting poor purity out of their units. They figured it might have been shipping damage. I've yet to get my hands on one to test it though.

[Mr. Smiley]

The info I have is that they have a 6 month warranty, with some sort of optional extended warranty for purchase. No details on that yet. The filters need to be changed about every 6 months and the units should run at least 15,000 hours before any factory maintenance is required. At 40 hours a week, that's 7 years. A complete factory rebuild is under $150, so I'm not sure I would buy an extended warranty unless it was cheap. ;)

On the units I've tried, I haven't had a purity issue. I'm getting two of the M-20's and I will be running at about 80%. As with all concentrators, the purity goes down the closer you get to running at 100%. The M-10 putting out 10LPM at 10 PSI for under $600 brand spanking new is awesome. That's like 2 regular concentrators. The M-20 puting out 10 LPM at 20 PSI for under $900 is friggin awesome! I hope they work like they should. The company seems to be on the up and up. I saw them at a show and while they are new to this, they seem to be in it for the long haul and really concerned about putting out quality units. I'll be a guinea pig at that price. :lol:

[River Horse Studio]

Hey Parisgal.... hope you are happy with your lynx... I am so glad that he went to a good home... :p

[Mr. Smiley]

Justin, I just talked to Jack from the factory. They stand behind their machines 110%. I am so friggin thrilled with the attitude of this company. If it isn't right, they will make it right, no matter what. Customer service is a HUGE deal to them. I have zero doubts now about getting two of the M-20's into my studio. The smaller volume units have a limited life in the lampwork world I'm afraid. I can't contain my excitement! From a boro workers perspective, this is awesome news!!! Unlimited oxygen, affordably priced and at the presures / volumes lampworkers need to get the most out of their torch. Who could ask for more? :D

[kbinkster]

The info I have is that they have a 6 month warranty, with some sort of optional extended warranty for purchase. No details on that yet. The filters need to be changed about every 6 months and the units should run at least 15,000 hours before any factory maintenance is required. At 40 hours a week, that's 7 years. A complete factory rebuild is under $150, so I'm not sure I would buy an extended warranty unless it was cheap. ;)

On the units I've tried, I haven't had a purity issue. I'm getting two of the M-20's and I will be running at about 80%. As with all concentrators, the purity goes down the closer you get to running at 100%. The M-10 putting out 10LPM at 10 PSI for under $600 brand spanking new is awesome. That's like 2 regular concentrators. The M-20 puting out 10 LPM at 20 PSI for under $900 is friggin awesome! I hope they work like they should. The company seems to be on the up and up. I saw them at a show and while they are new to this, they seem to be in it for the long haul and really concerned about putting out quality units. I'll be a guinea pig at that price. :lol:

You keep saying that these are new units. I asked this in an other thread:

Are you sure? I remember when we debuted these machines at the Gathering and I was excited about them, especially the price. At first, I was unclear as to whether these units were new or reconditioned. Paulette, from Suncoast, pointed out to me the cost of a new unit, and it was right there with the OGSI and Integra medical units. We asked the company (So. Central Cryo - Jerry Butler was the contact at the time - now he is with OGSI) and were told that they were reconditioned. That would make sense, given the price.

Here are a few new ones that I found:
http://www.oxymaster.net/shp.php?prid=1203&lgid=en

http://www.dmeonline.com/oxygen.htmlscroll down for the M10

http://www.michdmc.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=27

I guess that with a great warranty, it might not matter whether the unit is new or reconditioned (unless, of course, they are DOA and you have to send them back to be replaced... that would be a huge hassle). If I were buying one from somebody, I would like for it to be represented to me honestly and accurately. BTW, I believe that you really believe these are new.

[Mr. Smiley]

Just talked to Jack and you are absolutely correct. The unit itself is not brand spanking new. They get used Millenium units made by Respironics. They completely rebiuld them. This means new seive beds, new compressors, new switching valves... any thing they need currently or that would need to be replaced is done. Any parts they put on are new, so all the important "guts" are new. I am so stoked to be getting two next week to run on my new Cuda... should be a perfect match! :D

[Mr. Smiley]

I guess I really should have double checked, but these units will have zero hours on the important parts, so I consider that "new" for it's purpose of lampworking oxygen supply. I don't really care if the unit is not actually fresh out of an injection mold. :lol:

[Mr. Smiley]

Step in here Jack (Oxydoc) and tell them all about it. ;)

[kbinkster]

Thanks for clearing that up, Brent. And, congratulations on your new stuff.

[Mr. Smiley]

Thanks Kimberly. I can't wait to not have an oxy bill!!! :D

[oxydoc]

Hello All, Yes Brent is right. All of our oxyunits are completely refurbished, modified to meet your needs and tested for hours. Most are tested on torches to duplicate what we are hearing from our customers. We are working with many big names in the bead making and glass blowing industry to insure that we are all we can be. We are growing and we stand behind every single unit we sell. We are looking forward to working with everyone in the industry to deliver what you want and need. We have many great ideas in the works and some new exciting products on my work bench. Please feel free to holler at me with ideas questions and complaints. And Brent, Thanks for the good word. We wont let you down. jack

[PattyK]

Hi Oxydoc :wave:

These look pretty impressive. I do have a few questions:

1. When will the new M-30's be available, what are the specs and how much will they cost?
2. Can you give some details on your extended warranties?
3. How are your units "modified"?

Thanks!

[KLittle]

1. When will the new M-30's be available, what are the specs and how much will they cost?
2. Can you give some details on your extended warranties?
3. How are your units "modified"?

Thanks!

Great questions. I look forward to the responses as well.

I am currently running an Onyx+ generator for my Lynx. It works great for boro beads and I am only running it at 60 - 65%! It's optimal output for purity is at 70% which runs 8lpm at 20psi. Running it any higher will give even greater numbers but might decrease the purity. (This info came directly from the folks who make the machine.)


Kari

[oxydoc]

Hi Oxydoc :wave:

These look pretty impressive. I do have a few questions:

1. When will the new M-30's be available, what are the specs and how much will they cost?
2. Can you give some details on your extended warranties?
3. How are your units "modified"?

Thanks!
Hi Patty, The new M-30 will be called the Psyclone I and Psyclone II. The psyclone I is a 20 psi 20 liter per minute unit, the Psyclone II is the same unit with an added feature that we call "Air Assist". It will be powered by an outside air compressor (yours) and it has the capability of producing 30 liters per minute at 40 psi. There is an outlet for each feature and with both running at the same time, it will produce 50 liters per minute. Im not sure of the price. You will be able to buy it without the air assist if you dont need the extra boost. Our warranties are 65.00 per year and that covers everything but shipping. Our M10 and M20 is a modified medical unit. We rebuild the compressors and replace the molecular sieve so that we can safely bump up the outlet pressures and still maintain good puritys. Thanks for your interest. jack

[kbinkster]

Wow, Jack, that sounds great! What kind of purity does the Psyclone II get at 40 psi?

[Mr. Smiley]

Purity isn't an issue with higher pressure as much as it is with higher volumes. I think you mean to ask what the purity is at 30 LPM. It's the higher volume that normally brings down percentages or purity. ;)

[kbinkster]

When we test ran the M-10 at the Gathering, the harder we pushed it (pressure-wise), the lower the purity would be (lower, but still acceptable). I am curious about the M-30 with the pressure assist and how the purity holds up.

[Mr. Smiley]

I believe the only thing you can adjust without opening up the machine is the volume (LPM). That's probably what you were adjusting at the gathering. The pressure (PSI) is adjusted inside the unit, with an allen wrench. If you mess with that, you have to make several other ajustments to the machine to put everything else in ballance. Correct me if I am wrong on this one Jack.

Was the machine opened up with a guy tinkering inside the box Kimberly?

[Mr. Smiley]

I'd also like to add that through talking with these guys, I've really been impressed with their knowledge, honesty and customer service. The units have had problems in the past... they are in uncharted territory, where this is expected. They have the major bugs worked out and the new units are not like the ones from a year ago... I'm 100% satisfied that they will take care of anything else if it pops up with a professional and courteous attitude. I just get a good feeling talking to these guys. :D

I'm really excited for our industry. I know some of the torch companies are excited. This really does mean a lot for boro workers and large torches. It's been pretty easy to get a good unlimited oxygen source for soft glass work for a while. Now, these guys are making that and affordable choice for boro workers and larger torches. It's really commendable to be a pioneer in a feild like ours. Sure, there's money to be made, but not so much that it's your only reason. You've also got to love what you are doing. Jack made the comment to me on the phone the other day, that he'd tinker with and build these for free. It's fun for him! Of course he gets paid, but he's passionate about oxygen concentrators. I can relate, because I feel the same way about glass. I'd melt it for free! Thank goodness I get paid, explaining all this euipment to my wife would be a losing battle otherwise. :lol:

[oxydoc]

I believe the only thing you can adjust without opening up the machine is the volume (LPM). That's probably what you were adjusting at the gathering. The pressure (PSI) is adjusted inside the unit, with an allen wrench. If you mess with that, you have to make several other ajustments to the machine to put everything else in ballance. Correct me if I am wrong on this one Jack.

Was the machine opened up with a guy tinkering inside the box Kimberly?

Hi guys, the rule of thumb with these units is that the higher the flow (not pressure) the lower the purity. That is one of the challenges we have had trying to come up with a machine that will stay in the 80s and 90s purity while shoving out 10 to 15 lpm. Now we are pushing it even further with 20 lpm and more. The M10 purity should always be good up to 5lpm. The M20 purity is good up to around 8 lpm and starts to drop into the lower 80s at 10 lpm. The Psyclone I stays in the 90s up to 16 and 17 lpm, then drops in the 80s at 20 lpm. The Psyclone II is the same way up to 30 lpm. We are using the highest quality sieve in all our units that we can find (6000.00 for one barrel) Brent is right about the adjustments. The only adjustments available is the flow. Any adjustments made to the inside should be done by me. If you have one of my machines and you want it tweeked a little, send it back to me and I will do it for free. We have heard conflicting stories on which is more important, the flow or the pressure. Any imput from the flame throwers out there is always appreciated. Thanks for your interest. You are the experts in this industry and the ones that we are working for. And happy to be doing it!!!! jack

[Mr. Smiley]

Thanks Jack.. I'll let you know how the two units I get perform. I should pick them up at Ron's next week. I can't wait.

[pam]

Hi Oxydoc, I just have a few questions and comments. Do you have any certifications such as UL, CSA or CE on your modified units to indicate that the modifications being done to these units are safe? Are you or anyone in your company certified by Respironics to make the modifications on these units that produce higher pressures? I'm not trying to get on your case, but some of these units are being used in homes and even homes with small children and if you are modifying them to up the lpm's is there a chance of meltdown?

You mentioned that the "purity is good" on the M10 at 5 lpm and the purity on the M20 is good up to around 8 lpm. Can you tell me what you are defining as "good"?

A friend of mine has modified her own concentrator by puttin in a larger compressor and that has up'ed the volumn her concentrator puts out, but you are saying you are only rebuilding the compressor already in the Respironics unit, so if a larger compressor is not producing the additional lpm's, what is?

My concern in all of this is the lampworking community. The fact is that many people come out with inventions that help us do our art better and easier and cheaper and you may well fall into this category, however you are selling what is actually an appliance that could well be running in someone's home and I really want to express some concern. Up to this point in time, all oxygen producing units were not modified, but used as from the manufacturer, so I hope you can understand that people may not be used to thinking of the difference it makes by modifying a unit that has been designed to be used in a certain way.

[kbinkster]

Oh, just to clear it up for you, Brent... the company rep opened the unit and made the adjustment. Afterall, it was not our machine to adjust. I believe it required an allen wrench. And it was the rep who had the oxygen gauge to measure the purity, as well.

Jack, thank you for your explanation.

[Larry LaClair]

Is Unlimited Oxygen part of South Central Cryogenics in Illinois, that is in litigation because their oxygen equipment caused a fire, completely destroying a newly rented building ??

[Mr. Smiley]

They are South Central Cryogenics in Indiana. 317 area code... I'm sure Jack will be back to answer... ;)


Edited to add :Nice edit job there Larry... why did you decide to change your post so the name matches??? who are you? How are you involved???

[Mr. Smiley]

Ok, edited the last bit out for continuity. Let's stay on track with the discussion at hand. This is technical, not personal. ;)

[kbinkster]

Here’s the deal…

When you are a reputable company, you have to exercise a certain level of responsibility when endorsing a product for sale. You can’t let your emotions get in the way of better judgement.

I helped Willy work the GTT booth at the Gathering last August. We talked to one of the company reps, and he told us what the M-10 Custom (now called the P-20) could do. We walked over to their booth and they showed us the pressures that they could get and the purity. This is when the second rep showed us how they could boost the pressure. We liked what we saw and offered to run the M-10 Custom (now called the P-20) at open torch. The rep who had been talking to us was very glad that we gave them the opportunity to debut their product.

So, the rep got it all hooked up and running for us at open torch. It performed extremely well. The unit ran the Cheetah to the fullest of its ability and ran the Phantom at full power (inner and outer fires) for a few seconds. It easily ran the center fire (Lynx) at full power continuously, no problem. Needless to say, this was great news. Having a low cost alternative to tanked oxygen for boro work (especially for torches requiring higher volumes and pressure) is fantastic. Willy and I were very excited about the M-10 Custom (now called the P-20) and the company behind it, South Central Cryogenics. GTT was offered a distributorship on the spot.

Well, despite being very excited, GTT decided to hold up until they tested the units themselves on their torches back at the shop. As tempting as it was to jump on board with both feet, GTT couldn’t endorse this product, much less sell it, until further testing was done.

I got on the boards and reported about the M-10 Custom (now called the P-20) and the performance at the Gathering, but followed up by saying that more testing needed to be done. We all set our excitement aside and took an analytical approach to the matter. That was the responsible thing to do.

So, what ever happened? What were the results of the testing? Well, more on that later…

[oxydoc]

Hi Oxydoc, I just have a few questions and comments. Do you have any certifications such as UL, CSA or CE on your modified units to indicate that the modifications being done to these units are safe? Are you or anyone in your company certified by Respironics to make the modifications on these units that produce higher pressures? I'm not trying to get on your case, but some of these units are being used in homes and even homes with small children and if you are modifying them to up the lpm's is there a chance of meltdown?

You mentioned that the "purity is good" on the M10 at 5 lpm and the purity on the M20 is good up to around 8 lpm. Can you tell me what you are defining as "good"?

A friend of mine has modified her own concentrator by puttin in a larger compressor and that has up'ed the volumn her concentrator puts out, but you are saying you are only rebuilding the compressor already in the Respironics unit, so if a larger compressor is not producing the additional lpm's, what is?

My concern in all of this is the lampworking community. The fact is that many people come out with inventions that help us do our art better and easier and cheaper and you may well fall into this category, however you are selling what is actually an appliance that could well be running in someone's home and I really want to express some concern. Up to this point in time, all oxygen producing units were not modified, but used as from the manufacturer, so I hope you can understand that people may not be used to thinking of the difference it makes by modifying a unit that has been designed to be used in a certain way.
Hi Pam, thank you for your questions. We completely understand your concerns. My brother Paul and I do have certifications with many manufacturers. Most are medical related. We do have about 15 years of experience doing this service. The modifications that we perform are only related to enhancing what the unit was manufactured to do. All safety features such as thermal switches in the compressor, filters,valves and such are not removed or in any way tampered with. It is my personal opinion that an oxygen concentrator is considerably safer than an O2 tank which is pressurized to more than 2000 psi. Imagine a child knocking over that tank. In all cases when using oxygen and propane together in the same room with a flame-------the warnings go without saying!!!! There is no chance of a "meltdown". As far as the purity goes, when I said good, I meant and should have said high 80s and low 90s. I hope I have covered your questions. If not please yell at me again. jack

[oxydoc]

Is Unlimited Oxygen part of South Central Cryogenics in Illinois, that is in litigation because their oxygen equipment caused a fire, completely destroying a newly rented building ??
Let me put this gently. HELL NO!!!!! We are not nor have ever been in any form of litigation. We are NOT located in Illinois. We are in Central Indiana near Indy. And, to the best of MY knowledge, have never caused a fire. jack

[pam]

Thank you, Jack, for answering my questions. I do realize the dangers associated with tanked oxy and it is recommended that you chain tanks to the wall so that they cannot be accidently tipped over. However, there are inherent dangers in running electric equipment also and just wanted to make sure that you realize that many of your units will be used in home settings. Lampworkers are a very safety conscious group because the activity of melting glass has hazards already associated with it.

Have your users found oxy purity in the high 80's to be sufficient for their work in soft and hard glass? I know that a highly oxidizing flame is necessary for some applications and was wondering if you have any feedback on that. I was under the perhaps false understanding that the purity was around 95 for most oxy concentrators.

[jokersdesign]

Here’s the deal…

When you are a reputable company, you have to exercise a certain level of responsibility when endorsing a product for sale. You can’t let your emotions get in the way of better judgement.

I helped Willy work the GTT booth at the Gathering last August. We talked to one of the company reps, and he told us what the M-10 Custom (now called the P-20) could do. We walked over to their booth and they showed us the pressures that they could get and the purity. This is when the second rep showed us how they could boost the pressure. We liked what we saw and offered to run the M-10 Custom (now called the P-20) at open torch. The rep who had been talking to us was very glad that we gave them the opportunity to debut their product.

So, the rep got it all hooked up and running for us at open torch. It performed extremely well. The unit ran the Cheetah to the fullest of its ability and ran the Phantom at full power (inner and outer fires) for a few seconds. It easily ran the center fire (Lynx) at full power continuously, no problem. Needless to say, this was great news. Having a low cost alternative to tanked oxygen for boro work (especially for torches requiring higher volumes and pressure) is fantastic. Willy and I were very excited about the M-10 Custom (now called the P-20) and the company behind it, South Central Cryogenics. GTT was offered a distributorship on the spot.

Well, despite being very excited, GTT decided to hold up until they tested the units themselves on their torches back at the shop. As tempting as it was to jump on board with both feet, GTT couldn’t endorse this product, much less sell it, until further testing was done.

I got on the boards and reported about the M-10 Custom (now called the P-20) and the performance at the Gathering, but followed up by saying that more testing needed to be done. We all set our excitement aside and took an analytical approach to the matter. That was the responsible thing to do.

So, what ever happened? What were the results of the testing? Well, more on that later…

Oh please do tell us the results of your testing now.

[Mr. Smiley]

Yes, please tell us the results. I'd really like to know. I've got 2 M-20's running right now. Just got them hooked up. I'll see how it goes on a full day and let you guys know. :D

[oxydoc]

Thank you, Jack, for answering my questions. I do realize the dangers associated with tanked oxy and it is recommended that you chain tanks to the wall so that they cannot be accidently tipped over. However, there are inherent dangers in running electric equipment also and just wanted to make sure that you realize that many of your units will be used in home settings. Lampworkers are a very safety conscious group because the activity of melting glass has hazards already associated with it.

Have your users found oxy purity in the high 80's to be sufficient for their work in soft and hard glass? I know that a highly oxidizing flame is necessary for some applications and was wondering if you have any feedback on that. I was under the perhaps false understanding that the purity was around 95 for most oxy concentrators.
Hey again, this is another of those subjects where we get conflicting opinions. Most everyone we talk to does agree that purity is important. But some claim that they can work with o2 in the 70s. Obviously we want to achieve the highest purity for you, but we cannot match pure o2. The factory specs on most of these units are related to oxygen therapy and life support. I would certinly love to hear opinions on this subject. thanks again for your input and advise. This is great! jack

[Mr. Smiley]

I had time to do two color tests tonight. I have two M-20's hooked up to a Cuda. With them set at about 7-8 LPM each. It's hot and oxygenated enough to control the haze on triple Passion. I will do many many more tests and keep you guys posted. So far, so good. ;) Pics to come as I make more progress... :D

[pam]

Thanks again for answering my questions. I don't think you ever said whether you were certified by Respironics.

[Mr. Smiley]

These guys demonstrated their units at the ISGB Gathering last year. I know you're not with the ISGB in the same capacity Pam... but didn't the ISGB get this safety info before they allowed them to show these to the glass working buyers at the ISGB Gathering? Just curious as to why these questions are being asked now. I would have thought all of this had been covered and that you would have some access to that info. Who was in charge of the Gathering last year?

[pam]

Hi Brent, Are you saying that these guys are South Central Cryogenics? I thought they were Unlimited Oxygen. We did have South Central Cryogenics at the Gathering last year and when asked we were told they were selling concentrators.

[Mr. Smiley]

Yeperz... Pam, that's what I already said. They are South Central Cryogenics in Indiana... one in the same. :love:

Now that it's all squared up, did the ISGB ask these questions already? Is the info available to you still? Who was in charge of asking all this before the Gathering?

[pam]

Brent, as I stated, when asked they told us they were selling concentrators, nothing about modified concentrators. Are you asking does the ISGB ascertain whether a company is producing a product that is safe to use? No, to my knowledge, up to this point in time they haven't, and I don't believe they have employees that have the ability to go out and analyze company's products. Are you saying that you look to the ISGB to determine for you whether a product is safe to use?

And to answer your other question, which I answered on the phone with you the other day, and I am sure you remember the answer and are asking me to repeat it online for some reason, I am the vendor coordinator and in charge of answering questions the vendors pose and assigning the booths in the vendor area at the Gathering. Those are my pre-conference duties. Cathy Finegan is the coordinator for the Gathering, but the board is ultimately in charge of everything sponsored by ISGB, including the Gathering. I'm actually not sure what this has to do with anything I have asked, since I am a member of this forum, just as you are, though I am not a moderator. My position with the Gathering has nothing to do with it.

I'm not quite understanding the attitude, Brent. All I asked is if Unlimited Oxygen/South Central Cryogenics is certified by Respironics. When I asked it the first time Jack very kindly answered that he and his brother are certified by many companies, but never actually said if they were certified specifically by Respironics, and so I was asking that. The reason behind it is that if they are certified to work on Respironic concentrators, then they have been educated to be able to work on these units and so would be more knowledgeable than the average person. You didn't get upset when I asked it the first time, so why now?

You are obviously becoming irritated at my questions and since I don't want to upset a moderator of LE, I will stop posting on this thread.

[Mr. Smiley]

I'm just directing some questions your way without attitude. I was just having an online discussion and thought I was being civil. So sorry Pam, I didn't realize you got upset by questions. You seem to like asking them, so I didn't figure you would mind answering some. I'll refrain in the future if you would prefer, just let me know. That way it can be a one sided conversation. You ask and somebody answers. I really didn't remember you saying you were in charge of the vendors... and yes, I would expect the ISGB to check out the credentials of a torch company or a concentrator company before they allow them to demo something in front of it's members. You kind of jumped my case for suggesting these units without enough info the other day... but you allowed them to be demonstrated in front of a crowd at the ISGB gathering... so what am I missing? I'm not upset at all. :love: I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this like you. i want to know as much as possible about these units. Since they were demonstrated at the ISGB Gathering, I figured you would have access to some of this already. ;) Thanks for answering the questions, let me know if it's not alright to ask more in the future.

[Mr. Smiley]

Also, with ABR, Art Glass House, Generations Glass and a host of other distributors I'm not sure enough about to mention, carrying them... I figured they were pretty sound units and although newer to our industry, solid enough for me to buy, try and to mention online. ;) Maybe Jack can give us a complete list of their distributors. I know Wil from The Flow is going to be testing the new Cyclone very soon and has tested the M-20's. He's been giving these guys feedback. I should probably call Wil and ask him what's up. I'd really like all the info I can get. :D

[jokersdesign]

Also I want to know is if you can give us an estimated price range for the Psyclone I and Psyclone II, and when do you think these units will be available?

[Mr. Smiley]

Pam, don't use my being a Moderator as an excuse to bow out. One has nothing to do with another. My involvement in this thread is as a lamp worker... not a Mod. I wear many hats. You haven't upset me. I do think it's silly for you to hold me to a higher standard than you hold others and that's what I was pointing out with the ISGB stuff. Yesterday it wasn't OK for me to reccomend or be excited about this product until I knew it all and until I used them in my personal studio... but the ISGB doesn't have to do any home work??? Why am I held to such a high standard? i am just a glass worker that volunteers to help a website. The ISGB is a much larger organization with much more resources at it's disposal than a single person like myself. That's all I was trying to say. I'm not mad. You can point out my short comings or the short comings of products all you like. Just please don't get upset if you get back some of what you are dishing out. It's not becoming to cry foul when you haven't been treated any different than you have treated others. I'd have to say I was gentler on you than you treated me in another thread. :love: Now, back to the regularly scheduled thread... :D

[oxydoc]

Also I want to know is if you can give us an estimated price range for the Psyclone I and Psyclone II, and when do you think these units will be available?
Hello, most of our distributors will carry 1 or 2 of these units at a time. I hope you have access to one of these distributors. If you need a list of them and maybe some phone numbers, let me know. These are custom hand made and require several days to build. We will probably have to build them on demand, meaning they will not be in stock. The end price will be set by our distributors. We give them the task of marketing. I will have some pics and specs on these awsome units mid-week. I will keep you posted. These unit are under patent and will be UL listed. jack

[jokersdesign]

sweet, I'm looking forword to seeing some pictures of the units and getting more information on the specs. I like the idea of connection my own compressurer for more oxygen LPM volume and more PSI.

Build on demand works for me, just as long the waiting period doesn't take months. I order through all the major glass supply distributors. That would be great if you can email me the websites and phone numbers of the distrubutors that will carry your Psyclone I and Psyclone II unit to the following email address.

jokersdesign@yahoo.com

Hello, most of our distributors will carry 1 or 2 of these units at a time. I hope you have access to one of these distributors. If you need a list of them and maybe some phone numbers, let me know. These are custom hand made and require several days to build. We will probably have to build them on demand, meaning they will not be in stock. The end price will be set by our distributors. We give them the task of marketing. I will have some pics and specs on these awsome units mid-week. I will keep you posted. These unit are under patent and will be UL listed. jack

[Justin L]

yes, can we see more of the specs of these machines please?

[Larry LaClair]

Mr. Smiley,
I am the owner of OxygenPlus Medical Systems Inc. Over the years we have established an excellent reputation with the members in the Glass Community.

I have read several posts on this thread and have some serious concerns regarding this product.

I am very uneasy about the " Claims and safety issues " surrounding this oxygen concentrator. I have seen many concentrator operations come and go leaving the owner of equipment hanging in the wind. I also have a vast
background in Bio-medical Specialty areas having over 25 years of experience.


I have listed some FACTS that everyone should consider regarding these modified units.

The average lifespan of the medical version of this unit is 8k to 12k hours.
There are problems with compressor,sievebed, and valve failures within that time period. This is with a new unit right out of the box. These units are factory set to run @ 5 psi. When you start to increase output pressure you sacrifice purity. This is why we do not offer to sell these units to the glass industry.

There are proven companies such as OGSI who sell the OG-15 and
OG-20 models and Suncoast Beads who sell the Integra 10 and Airsep oxygen Generators. I believe they offer a 1 year warranty.


The question was asked about purity levels at the higher flow rates
but have yet to see a reply on it or requested specifications.


I understand you being happy about your units, but you are promoting a product that you yourself have said have limited experience with, and that you would be the test guinea pig for this product.

Your Disclaimer says it all !!

Last year "Unlimited Oxygen" went by the name of "South Central Cryogenics" until they had a fire that reduced their shop to rubble. This information came straight from one of the employees during a telephone conversation with me last year.

Since these units are not new - here are some good questions to have answered. What exactly does the warranty cover ??
Who pays for shipping ?? What purity will it produce at 6'7'8'9'10 lpm
What is the output pressure set at when you ship out the unit.
You stated that if the pressure had to be adjusted to send it back to you, why does it need to be re-adjusted? What parts have been changed or modified ?

When we called anonymously, to get information regarding the kind of modifications that were being made to this unit, We were told by Staff at Unlimited Oxygen that they removed / disconnected the high & low pressure alarm safety features as well as the Oxygen Purity Indicator on these "Modified Units" which come standard on the medical unit. As we were continuing to ask technical questions, we were abruptly hung up on.
Why would you disconnect the Oxygen Purity Indicator feature ??

Respironics does not endorse anyone who makes changes / modifications
to their equipment due to liability issues. These units were not made to operate this way and will pose real problems down the road. Hence the six month warranty.

The question was also asked if Unlimited Oxygen is a respironics certified warranty center ?? Is anyone there certified on the respironic concentrators?

It is my position that this " modified equipment" has NOT proven itself reliable.
It has not been tested in the field, nor is it a safe piece of equipment since modifications have been made to force it to run out of safe parameters.

I would hope to see that South Central Cryogenics / Unlimited Oxygen
would be responsible enough to answer these questions instead of trying to artfully evade them.

Unlimited Oxygen may be operating under a new name next year

I encourage anyone who is considering switching to an oxygen concentrator to due diligent research for all relevant information about the types of torches that can be used in conjunction with the units.
Safety should be paramount

When Quality Matters !!

Larry LaClair
President / CEO
OxygenPlus
1.54.586.9051

[kbinkster]

It seems plausible that Unlimited Oxygen and South Central Cryogenics could be one in the same. A quick check on Generations Glass leads me to believe they are.

http://www.generationsglass.com/product487.html

This page has the "Unlimited Oxygen Concentrator Users Guide."

But, Brent said that Generations Glas was selling the South Central Cryogenics units.

Also, with ABR, Art Glass House, Generations Glass and a host of other distributors I'm not sure enough about to mention, carrying them...

I don't see any unit there called the M-10 or South Central anything.

It appears that the unit South Central is calling the M-10 is being called Unlimited Oxygen P-10 on the Generations Glass Site.

The 20 psi unit sold by Art Glass House is called the Oxycon Unlimited Oxygen 20P.
http://www.artglasshouse.com/prod_descr.cfm?item=30-2020DS

But, Ron lists the units as being manufactured by South Central Cryogenics.

The other day, I saw the 10 psi unit listed as Unlimited Oxygen P-10 on another site, too. But, that site has since pulled the page and replaced it with one that calls the unit the M-10. That new page has blocked the feature that allows you to see when a page has been created/modified, so I cannot say for sure how long it has been up.

Anyway, this is all very interesting to say the least. I would be interested in a response to this.


Anyone?


Anyone?


Ferris?

PS I am only addressing the possibility of the two companies being one in the same. I have no comment one way or the other about the activities of either company. I don't know whether or not the claims regarding the fire or any resulting litigation are true. It is not unheard of for a company to regroup under a different name after being sued, but I personally don't know if that is the case here.

[Dwaine Scum]

Isn't pam the same person claming that Liquid dewars are unsafe? you can freeze your hand and shater it (like it's a statistic in the lampworking comunity?) So all you one handed lamprers, "Throw yo' nubs in the air, wave em' around like you just don't care...."

I swear, I have litterally read some of the most assinine, stupidest propoganda on this forum, and I run a forum about retards, and fart jokes...

[jokersdesign]

Isn't pam the same person claming that Liquid dewars are unsafe? you can freeze your hand and shater it (like it's a statistic in the lampworking comunity?) So all you one handed lamprers, "Throw yo' nubs in the air, wave em' around like you just don't care...."

I swear, I have litterally read some of the most assinine, stupidest propoganda on this forum, and I run a forum about retards, and fart jokes...

funk yeah dwaine.

I'm all about retards and fart jokes. Now lets add butt sluts

[oxydoc]

Mr. Smiley,
I am the owner of OxygenPlus Medical Systems Inc. Over the years we have established an excellent reputation with the members in the Glass Community.

I have read several posts on this thread and have some serious concerns regarding this product.

I am very uneasy about the " Claims and safety issues " surrounding this oxygen concentrator. I have seen many concentrator operations come and go leaving the owner of equipment hanging in the wind. I also have a vast
background in Bio-medical Specialty areas having over 25 years of experience.


I have listed some FACTS that everyone should consider regarding these modified units.

The average lifespan of the medical version of this unit is 8k to 12k hours.
There are problems with compressor,sievebed, and valve failures within that time period. This is with a new unit right out of the box. These units are factory set to run @ 5 psi. When you start to increase output pressure you sacrifice purity. This is why we do not offer to sell these units to the glass industry.

There are proven companies such as OGSI who sell the OG-15 and
OG-20 models and Suncoast Beads who sell the Integra 10 and Airsep oxygen Generators. I believe they offer a 1 year warranty.


The question was asked about purity levels at the higher flow rates
but have yet to see a reply on it or requested specifications.


I understand you being happy about your units, but you are promoting a product that you yourself have said have limited experience with, and that you would be the test guinea pig for this product.

Your Disclaimer says it all !!

Last year "Unlimited Oxygen" went by the name of "South Central Cryogenics" until they had a fire that reduced their shop to rubble. This information came straight from one of the employees during a telephone conversation with me last year.

Since these units are not new - here are some good questions to have answered. What exactly does the warranty cover ??
Who pays for shipping ?? What purity will it produce at 6'7'8'9'10 lpm
What is the output pressure set at when you ship out the unit.
You stated that if the pressure had to be adjusted to send it back to you, why does it need to be re-adjusted? What parts have been changed or modified ?

When we called anonymously, to get information regarding the kind of modifications that were being made to this unit, We were told by Staff at Unlimited Oxygen that they removed / disconnected the high & low pressure alarm safety features as well as the Oxygen Purity Indicator on these "Modified Units" which come standard on the medical unit. As we were continuing to ask technical questions, we were abruptly hung up on.
Why would you disconnect the Oxygen Purity Indicator feature ??

Respironics does not endorse anyone who makes changes / modifications
to their equipment due to liability issues. These units were not made to operate this way and will pose real problems down the road. Hence the six month warranty.

The question was also asked if Unlimited Oxygen is a respironics certified warranty center ?? Is anyone there certified on the respironic concentrators?

It is my position that this " modified equipment" has NOT proven itself reliable.
It has not been tested in the field, nor is it a safe piece of equipment since modifications have been made to force it to run out of safe parameters.

I would hope to see that South Central Cryogenics / Unlimited Oxygen
would be responsible enough to answer these questions instead of trying to artfully evade them.

Unlimited Oxygen may be operating under a new name next year

I encourage anyone who is considering switching to an oxygen concentrator to due diligent research for all relevant information about the types of torches that can be used in conjunction with the units.
Safety should be paramount

When Quality Matters !!

Larry LaClair
President / CEO
OxygenPlus
1.54.586.9051
Hello Larry, I am happy to respond to your post which contains lies, industrial spying and false representation of hear-say with an obvious self preservation in mind. I am only going to address comments that merritt attention. First of all you should know that a unit with only 8000 to 10,000 hours is barely broke in. Respironics boasts that their Millennium will run into the 30,000 range with very little maintainance. Do the math!, These are designed to run 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. 24 X 365 is 8760 hours a year, for 5 years is 43,800 hours. Our average glass worker may work 8 hours a day. 8 X 365 is 2920 hours a year if they work 7 days. We offer extended warrantys. The units we sell are completely rebuilt, including the compressor and seive beds. Brand new sieve is used in the reconditioned beds. The power failure alarm is removed as our unit is no longer a life support unit. This unit is no longer a medical unit. This warning is posted on all our machines. It has been proven that medical grade o2 is not absolutely required for torches. It would be nice, but thats the price to pay for leaving behind the tanks. The purity levels of this machine has been discussed at length on these forums (in fact right here on this thread). They are also listed in our owners manual which is included with every unit we sell. Unlimited Oxygen is a hub company of South Central Cryogenics. I am proud of our company and have nothing to hide. We have never had a fire. And we did not change our name. South Central Cryogenics is more into the liquid oxygen and medical equipment field. It was the suggestion of the glass workers that we have a more suited name for the Glassers. So Unlimited Oxygen was born. We are proud to be working with some of the best names and Glass Houses in the country and outside the country. SAFETY IS ALSO OUR FIRST PRIORITY. But we are pushing the envelope for those who want bigger and better. Let me ask you, do you really think that when you sell a glass worker a 5 lpm "medical" machine, they keep it under 5lpms? Oxygen Concentrators have many built in safety features which we DO NOT remove. South Central Cryogenics is my company along with my brother as my partner. We have been in business for 5 years non stop. We aint going nowhere. I am thankful that so many glass blowers are giving us a chance to prove ourselves. As far as the rest of your questions-------- trade secrets. Next time you try to call and pump info, dial the RIGHT number, use your TRUE ID and I will be happy to speak to you.
Jack

[Mr. Smiley]

Larry. I appreciate your concern. I also appreciate the questions... many have been answered in another thread. I would suggest you go read that one. Unlimited Oxygen and South Central Cryogenics are one in the same. I think you know Larry that Respironics is one of the companies that does not allow certification on their units. They service all units themselves. Do you have a respironics certification? These guys have certs from a bunch of different companies... they have met all the federal requirements to work on medical grade concentrators and have the liscensing. Of course the manufacturer isn't going to certify or allow modifications to be certified or give permission to do so. It's liability on their part. Just like Honda doesn't allow after market tiinkering and voids the warranty if that happens. From talking to these guys, they know what they are doing... from using the machines, they really do work well. Let's just say worst case scenario... these crap out every year... to completely rebuild the unit is under $150. Considering some of us boro folks are paying $300 a month for oxy now, I wouldn't mind that at all. Now, these guys say they should run 15,000 hours before needing factory service... I'm not that far into it yet, so I can't tell you for sure.


I think you have a little bit of anger towards this company, because you are their competition. That's totally understandable. You've got 25 years experience... they have 15. Both are pretty significant amouts of experience. They know they are trying new things... and it is working out so far. It must scare the crap out of the competition... I for one applaud them for their efforts. We need this in our industry and I'm glad they are innovative and willing to push the envelope. Go Go Go Unlimited Oxy... make us happy tank free lampworkers... :love:

[Mr. Smiley]

Jack, we must have been typing at the same time. :lol:

[kbinkster]

Unlimited Oxygen is a hub company of South Central Cryogenics. I am proud of our company and have nothing to hide. We have never had a fire. And we did not change our name. South Central Cryogenics is more into the liquid oxygen and medical equipment field. It was the suggestion of the glass workers that we have a more suited name for the Glassers. So Unlimited Oxygen was born.
Well, that answer works for me - makes perfect sense.

I wish that you would have explained it this way after Larry posted his first question. In your reply to him, you did not say that Unlimited Oxygen was part of South Central Cryogenics. You only said that you were not in Illinois, were not in any litigation, and were not involved in any fire that you knew of. I guess you were probably more concerned with defending yourself against his fire/litigation allegation at the time than with explaining the Unlimited Oxygen/South Central Crygenics connection.

[Mr. Smiley]

Larry had also named a completely different company in his origional post in Illinois. You can see the time stamp of his edit after I told him who these guys were, he went in and changed the name to South Central Cryogenics. I have been being fed bad information about South Central and these machines from a few competitive sources... I simply call Jack and he explains it all in a way that makes perfect sense. I really hope things can work out peacefully from now on. Could you imagine if fellow glass workers were attacked for trying new glass techniques, the way these guys have been? We don't pick eachother apart when somebody tries a new bead style... we offer constructive critisism if anything... the wars between torch companies, glass companies and now oxygen companies really turns my stomach. If these companies treated eachother like glass workers do (for the most part), they'd be helping eachother out, instead of tearing eachother apart. Push the envelope guys... it's what makes new stuff possible. Don't be afraid to fail or get too comfortable where you are at now... keep moving forward. :love:

[Justin L]

Larry had also named a completely different company in his origional post in Illinois.

Ever hear of a typo? It happens to the best of us [-X

[Larry LaClair]

I am only going to address comments that merritt attention.

:---) Oh, Puuuhlease give us all a break !!!
We have been in this business to long to know B/S when we see it.

There are 33 Factory Authorized warranty repair centers all over the country in which Respironics has trained and certified service personnel on all of their equipment. Unlimited Oxygen or South Central Cryo. are not or ever have been one of them. When Respironics find out about your unauthorized & unapproved tampering to their Medical Equipment, (and no doubt they will eventually), they are going to come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Again, as usual, you have not answered many of the questions asked of myself and glassworkers in prior inquiries. I do not believe you are in a postion to do so.
Does not the concerns of the glass industry
about your product merit your attention? You have a responsibilty to address their concerns.

"SAFETY IS OUR FIRST PRIORITY" BUT WE ARE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE!!

If I thought for one moment that what you are doing is safe, we would not be having this discussion. By Rebuilding a compressor, Repouring Sievebeds and increasing the pressure past the machines design, something is going to give out. Not to mention that the sieve material will be ground up to powder and cover the glassmakers shop in sieve dust. We have personally seen this happen with these Millenium units at around 6,000 hours of normal everday patient use. It is one of the machines downfalls.

You state that the Factory Millenium will run around 30k hrs. You state that beadmakers @ 8 hrs. / day will use the unit for 2920 hrs / year. Why is it then with a unit that will run supposedly 30000 hrs. you will only warranty it for 6 mo. or the equivilent of 1460 hrs. You do the math !!

The information that was obtained about what you were doing with this equipment was freely given to us last year prior to the Gathering in Kentucky. You never asked who we were, if you did you would have been given that information, But you abrupty hung up on us. Evading questions is something you do well.

What in the world are all of your distributors going to do after these machines start dropping like flies after six months ?

Jack, Can you just answer all the questions in my prior post or no ??
you cannot avoid them forever.

[Larry LaClair]

Larry. I appreciate your concern. I also appreciate the questions... many have been answered in another thread. I would suggest you go read that one. Unlimited Oxygen and South Central Cryogenics are one in the same. I think you know Larry that Respironics is one of the companies that does not allow certification on their units. They service all units themselves. Do you have a respironics certification? These guys have certs from a bunch of different companies... they have met all the federal requirements to work on medical grade concentrators and have the liscensing. Of course the manufacturer isn't going to certify or allow modifications to be certified or give permission to do so. It's liability on their part. Just like Honda doesn't allow after market tiinkering and voids the warranty if that happens. From talking to these guys, they know what they are doing... from using the machines, they really do work well. Let's just say worst case scenario... these crap out every year... to completely rebuild the unit is under $150. Considering some of us boro folks are paying $300 a month for oxy now, I wouldn't mind that at all. Now, these guys say they should run 15,000 hours before needing factory service... I'm not that far into it yet, so I can't tell you for sure.


I think you have a little bit of anger towards this company, because you are their competition. That's totally understandable. You've got 25 years experience... they have 15. Both are pretty significant amouts of experience. They know they are trying new things... and it is working out so far. It must scare the crap out of the competition... I for one applaud them for their efforts. We need this in our industry and I'm glad they are innovative and willing to push the envelope. Go Go Go Unlimited Oxy... make us happy tank free lampworkers... :love:

Good Afternoon Mr. Smiley,
Please understand that this company represent no threat to us whatsoever LOL.
We have our own client base after 26 years.

My REAL concern is that you have a couple of clowns out there who just popped into the glass community selling unsafe and unproven equipment.
They are not on any glass vendor lists and have no history .
That scares the BAJESUS out of me. It would be an injustice for me to not voice my concerns. Anybody can pop up and talk alot of trash. These folks won't even answer the questions straight up. We know what questions to ask and I am sorry if they intimidate these folks, but if they are on the up & up they should freely share the information requested of them. If they will not answer basic questions STEER CLEAR and keep on looking.


Competitor Sites for SAFE use of Concentrator / Generator units

WWW.OGSI.COM - OG-15 & OG-20
Ask for FRED

WWW.SUNCOASTBEADS.COM --- SEQUAL & AIRSEP UNITS
Ask for Paulette

Now Please, no more garbage about being scared of compatition !!

Respectfully,
Larry LaClair
1.540.586.9051

[Mr. Smiley]

:---) Oh, Puuuhlease give us all a break !!!
We have been in this business to long to know B/S when we see it.

There are 33 Factory Authorized warranty repair centers all over the country in which Respironics has trained and certified service personnel on all of their equipment. Unlimited Oxygen or South Central Cryo. are not or ever have been one of them. When Respironics find out about your unauthorized & unapproved tampering to their Medical Equipment, (and no doubt they will eventually), they are going to come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Again, as usual, you have not answered many of the questions asked of myself and glassworkers in prior inquiries. I do not believe you are in a postion to do so.
Does not the concerns of the glass industry
about your product merit your attention? You have a responsibilty to address their concerns.

"SAFETY IS OUR FIRST PRIORITY" BUT WE ARE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE!!

If I thought for one moment that what you are doing is safe, we would not be having this discussion. By Rebuilding a compressor, Repouring Sievebeds and increasing the pressure past the machines design, something is going to give out. Not to mention that the sieve material will be ground up to powder and cover the glassmakers shop in sieve dust. We have personally seen this happen with these Millenium units at around 6,000 hours of normal everday patient use. It is one of the machines downfalls.

You state that the Factory Millenium will run around 30k hrs. You state that beadmakers @ 8 hrs. / day will use the unit for 2920 hrs / year. Why is it then with a unit that will run supposedly 30000 hrs. you will only warranty it for 6 mo. or the equivilent of 1460 hrs. You do the math !!

The information that was obtained about what you were doing with this equipment was freely given to us last year prior to the Gathering in Kentucky. You never asked who we were, if you did you would have been given that information, But you abrupty hung up on us. Evading questions is something you do well.

What in the world are all of your distributors going to do after these machines start dropping like flies after six months ?

Jack, Can you just answer all the questions in my prior post or no ??
you cannot avoid them forever.


:-s

[Mr. Smiley]

Good Afternoon Mr. Smiley,
Please understand that this company represent no threat to us whatsoever LOL.
We have our own client base after 26 years.

My REAL concern is that you have a couple of clowns out there who just popped into the glass community selling unsafe and unproven equipment.
They are not on any glass vendor lists and have no history .
That scares the BAJESUS out of me. It would be an injustice for me to not voice my concerns. Anybody can pop up and talk alot of trash. These folks won't even answer the questions straight up. We know what questions to ask and I am sorry if they intimidate these folks, but if they are on the up & up they should freely share the information requested of them. If they will not answer basic questions STEER CLEAR and keep on looking.


Competitor Sites for SAFE use of Concentrator / Generator units

WWW.OGSI.COM - OG-15 & OG-20
Ask for FRED

WWW.SUNCOASTBEADS.COM --- SEQUAL & AIRSEP UNITS
Ask for Paulette

Now Please, no more garbage about being scared of compatition !!

Respectfully,
Larry LaClair
1.540.586.9051


:-k Figured I'd quote these so people can see how Larry and son wants to continue with the negative attitude. Sure, typo's happen, but these attacks are on purpose and not nearly the profesional attitude I'd like to deal with. If you aren't worried about your business, why are you so upset? If they aren't a threat and will be totally exposed in 6 months with exploding machines, why do you not just state your case without calling names? Oh, wait... a bunch of these units have been around longer than 6 months... Oh snap! You are worried... aren't you???

[oxydoc]

Larry LaClair, Now I remember. Now I know why you are so upset with us. I was telling my brother about the comments that you had posted on this forum and he asked me your name. When I told him, he said that he remembered your name from an incident that he had with you on ebay. He got you kicked off ebay for misrepresenting oxygen concentrators as good working units, then selling them with missing parts.
So, I personally looked up your ebay feedback. Your user name was the same as your Business name "Oxygenplus" (no longer an ebay user). The feedback told the story. 12 negatives and 4 positives. With a feedback rating of -2. Here are some of the comments that the ebay users left with the feedback: "selling items that should be in junkyard, ripped-off disabled, turned in to SafeHarbor, equipment missing major components, ect...... I have been selling oxygen concentrators on ebay for a long time and my feedback is 100%. medequipbroker is my ebay user name, look it up.

For the record this will be my last post in this forum. I was invited to come on here to answer questions and help other members to understand our units. Not to defend myself or my company against people with an agenda. I regret getting caught up in this baby talk and I hope I havent lost all of my professionalism. For those of you who truley would like to know more or have questions about our equipment, please call me at 317-831-2045. You can email me at southcentralcryo@sbcglobal.net We will soon have a toll free number for you to call. I would like to thank all the glass workers who have helped us with this great project. We will be around for along time to come and we are working on some new ideas. We are also working on our webpage and it will be up soon. unlimitedoxygen.com see ya, jack

[Justin L]

edit again: I dont want to get dragged into the middle of this bickering back and forth so I'll keep my comments to myself

[Rebekah]

I really do like how our vendors are treated by members of our forum and other competitors. It's so warm and welcoming and I, for one, would go out of my way to help the lampworking community if I were treated the same.

Classy.

Rebekah

[kbinkster]

Larry LaClair, Now I remember. Now I know why you are so upset with us. I was telling my brother about the comments that you had posted on this forum and he asked me your name. When I told him, he said that he remembered your name from an incident that he had with you on ebay. He got you kicked off ebay for misrepresenting oxygen concentrators as good working units, then selling them with missing parts.
So, I personally looked up your ebay feedback. Your user name was the same as your Business name "Oxygenplus" (no longer an ebay user). The feedback told the story. 12 negatives and 4 positives. With a feedback rating of -2. Here are some of the comments that the ebay users left with the feedback: "selling items that should be in junkyard, ripped-off disabled, turned in to SafeHarbor, equipment missing major components, ect...... I have been selling oxygen concentrators on ebay for a long time and my feedback is 100%. medequipbroker is my ebay user name, look it up.

For the record this will be my last post in this forum. I was invited to come on here to answer questions and help other members to understand our units. Not to defend myself or my company against people with an agenda. I regret getting caught up in this baby talk and I hope I havent lost all of my professionalism. For those of you who truley would like to know more or have questions about our equipment, please call me at 317-831-2045. You can email me at southcentralcryo@sbcglobal.net We will soon have a toll free number for you to call. I would like to thank all the glass workers who have helped us with this great project. We will be around for along time to come and we are working on some new ideas. We are also working on our webpage and it will be up soon. unlimitedoxygen.com see ya, jack
Are you sure you have the right ebay id?

I looked up the userid "oxygenplus" and found what you reported. There was a seller with that id who had some really bad feedback. I also found that that seller was located in NY. They were members for 3 yrs, 4 mos. starting October 21, 2002.

OxygenPlus is located in Virginia. They also have their own ebay store called Oxygen Plus Medical Supply. I believe their id is 86sc and they have a feedback score of 255 (98.9% positive). They have been members since Aug 13, 2002.

I also searched WC for any complaints about OxygenPlus (Larry's company) or the products they sell. They appear to have a solid reputation over there. I have not come across any reports of their products being DOA.