Cracking Cranberry [Archive]

Sheila D.

2010-04-28, 4:57pm

I have made some beautiful beads with CIM cranberry and if I mix it with any other colors it cracks.I can make spacers of just cranberry and their fine but otherwise, no go and encasing with it,forget it. Anyone have the same problem?

neagle

2010-04-29, 12:53pm

Yes!! I used CIM cranberry on a set and all six of them cracked. It was with Iris gold frit and encased. This was a special order for a friend of my sister and only the largest matching focal didn't crack.

j2canoe

2010-04-30, 4:26am

I have made a set with CIM cranberry as the base and a silver glass design on the surface that is still kicking after about a year now. The set is not encased though. Maybe it is a different batch? Sorry about the crappy beads - this is a set I made for myself so I was not as careful as normal....

BellaBean

2010-04-30, 8:45am

Joan, I am very worried that they may crack when you are wearing them and that you could get injured. Please send the set to me and I will keep them safe and secure so nobody gets hurt!

j2canoe

2010-04-30, 9:42am

lol!!!! :) Thanks for the offer Cori-but I'm very attached to this one, it gets worn and banged around regularly - so far no problems :)

likes to make glass stuff

2010-04-30, 11:00am

Reds, oranges, and yellows tend to have issues with being encased. It would follow that pinks do too. Try laying down a small layer of the same clear you intend to encase with under the pink, and see what happens.

Sheila D.

2010-04-30, 2:37pm

Okay,I'm calling these crappy cranberry! You can see in the lentil the crack is only in the cranberry stripe,not the green.Maybe cranberry just doesn't get along with other colors,or maybe it just doesn't get along with me!

Lulu

2010-04-30, 4:51pm

I did some cranberry over white, and they all cracked :( I also wondered if others had this problem, but when I posted about it, it didn't seem that many did.
I am glad I am not the only one! Not glad that the glass really is the issue and it wasn't just my noobi'ness :lol:

Lizabeads

2010-05-03, 2:45am

OMG I hope not because I just bought a pound to use instead of Rubino. Wish I could remember who does this alot.

FishBulb

2010-05-03, 3:59pm

I've used it without any issues in the past, but I haven't used any of the new batch. I'm hoping this won't be a problem.

tammydownunder

2010-05-03, 8:27pm

I've had problems with rubino over Gelly Sty cracking so I was thinking of going the cranberry route as this is a very lovely combo.

Abacus Beads

2010-05-05, 7:30am

Now I find out! I just recived 1/2 Lb. of this,I've not had time to use it so maybe thats a good thing
Liz R

cherylsart

2010-05-05, 8:12am

I only use cranberry as a decoration. I use Cranberry instead of rubino because it doesn't get the black spots with my Hot Head like rubino. I covet my cranberry because it's expensive. I heard a long time ago that some of the CIM colors don't encase well, and I don't do much encasing because it's hard to do well on Hot Head.

cherylsart

2010-05-05, 8:13am

Well, if you guys don't want your cranberry, I'll take it off your hands! It's about time for me to buy some more.

Carols Glass

2011-04-19, 11:05am

I made some beads with CIM cranberry, beads that take about an hour to make and some, and they cracked so I won't be wasting any more time doing that!

I did a search on cranberry cracking and found this thread.

I just talked to Jamey Lynn and she said she hadn't heard of this happening so I wondered if it was me.

Maybe someday when I have lots of time I will try it again and up my annealing temperature.

Yeah, like that will ever happen!

I will try and get pics of my beads and put them here so you can see the cracks and maybe diagnose whether they are incompatible cracks or thermal?

HONEYBUNNY72_99

2011-04-19, 11:12am

I just bought some so I will try encasing it at my next torch session.I usually don'thave any problems with it cracking though

Carols Glass

2011-04-19, 11:13am

Mine wasn't even encased! I just put some flowers on top of it.

Carols Glass

2011-04-19, 12:44pm

I just thought of something. The flowers on top had a pink base, CIM cranberry on top and then encased with clear and the petals didn't crack!

misspiggy

2011-04-19, 4:54pm

I think I am having some beginners luck but I have not had any cracking issues with Cranberry(knock on wood!)
I did have some issues with Gelly Sty cracking when twisted with other colors and Rose Quartz encasing crack...
I am on HH.

loribeads

2011-04-19, 5:01pm

I've had problems with the cranberry cracking as well.

glassactcc

2011-04-19, 5:07pm

This is interesting. I just had one of my encased florals crack right over the flower. At first though, I though it was what I used for the stamen cane. Only one out of three flowers show a crack. maybe it IS the cranberry. I have not had this problem before and I bought this batch about three months ago when I ran out.

Carols Glass

2011-04-19, 5:19pm

I had to remake a whole set of tiger lilies that had all cracked a little while ago when I used CIM cranberry. I sure hope the replacements didn't crack! I used the CIM cranberry again because I thought the first time it happened because I had melted the cranberry into the bead. The second time, I left the flowers raised.

BoulderGlassMonkey

2011-04-19, 5:21pm

Every cranberry bead mixed with efrette I have made has cracked.

--Joy

Rareripes

2011-04-19, 7:52pm

Wow..glad I saw this thread before I start playing with the cranberry I am due to receive next week..and I bought a bunch :( because I love the color and it is out of stock in a few places.I thought I was lucky..maybe I will be with all this advice..thanks all for the heads up!

mewkittie

2011-04-19, 7:54pm

I'd be willing to buy any dark cranberry rods too. Has to be the dark cranberry. I love, love, love it. It does crack is used as an encasing. I use it as a surface decoration or use it as a solid mass. It doesn't get that brown tinge like rubino does.

orion

2011-04-19, 8:06pm

Darn you all are worrying me. I've used some amount of CIM cranberry without problems and I do believe I've encased them all..

orion

2011-04-19, 8:08pm

Oops forgot to mention I've been hoarding enough that I'd be depressed if it turned out to be unusable under encasement. I encase a lot of my beads.

misspiggy

2011-04-19, 8:13pm

I too have hoarded cranberry... :(

So, what could this mean? Cranberry is unusable?
What else can we use? Rubino?
Rubino has it's own issues...

dart13

2011-04-19, 8:18pm

I just ordered 2 1/4 lbs of it so glad I'm reading this now!

glassactcc

2011-04-19, 8:25pm

Well, so far for me the best Cranberry color has been Gold Ruby from Olympic Color Rods. I don't like Rubino and I guess yet again, there is another color I cannot use. At least for encased beads. It looks more pink in the picture. Mine is cranberry color.

http://www.glasscolor.com/products/default.aspx?cID=121&pID=1777

emkay

2011-04-20, 12:37am

I'm going to join the "I'd like to buy some crackberry" crowd. I have wanted to snag some to mess around with - rubino is hating me and I want to see if I can get better colors from cranberry. If anyone is willing to sell me some because it is cracky, I'd love a bit.

Sheila, the lentils are pretty! It is a bummer that they cracked, they remind me of homemade lollipops.

misspiggy

2011-04-20, 7:29am

dart13

2011-04-20, 1:55pm

I love CIM glass, so easy to work with and great colors.

loribeads

2011-04-20, 4:13pm

Actually I like this color. Transparent??
I have never used this brand of glass before. How does it compare?

Christy, I personally LOVE reichenbach glass. They have a pink pearl glass that has a shampoo sheen to it that I just adore, too. Oh, and the lipstick is just the perfect bright red and photographs red, not brownish red like Effetre, under fluorescent lights.

karrina310

2011-04-20, 5:58pm

I think the batches from this year are cracking. I've got some from a year ago and it's fine- this reall sucks! Susan, may take you up on the dark, I've got some~

theglasszone

2011-04-20, 6:04pm

Rareripes

2011-04-21, 10:23am

I've been very interested in this thread because I had ordered 3# of CIM Cranberry and it is coming next week to our other place where I go in the spring and I only have a HH torch there.I saw this thread after I ordered the glass.Today I have been packing up all my glass I want to have down there and have to confess that I found I am not the smartest bulb in this box :( I ALREADY had a pound of both the dark and lighter CIM Cranberry and didn't know it.The darker's number is 511926-2 as opposed to the lighter 511926. What I ordered is the lighter..the darker wasn't offered and it was advertised as opaque..which it isn't but I knew that anyway and didn't want opaque.Sangre is a nice opaque dk pinkish close to red BTW..but..what's gonna crack? All of it??Geesh...but I was a blond baby..lol..sorry blondies..was joking.

misspiggy

2011-04-21, 3:20pm

Christy, I personally LOVE reichenbach glass. They have a pink pearl glass that has a shampoo sheen to it that I just adore, too. Oh, and the lipstick is just the perfect bright red and photographs red, not brownish red like Effetre, under fluorescent lights.

Thanks for this tip.
Is Olympic Color Rods the vendor you guys use to get Reinchenbach??
And what is this "bundle" price? is this like 1/4 pound price??

Elizabeth Beads

2011-04-21, 7:17pm

A bundle is 1/4 kilo approx. which is about 8.8 ox. if I remember correctly.

glassactcc

2011-04-21, 7:46pm

It melts very nicely, similar to CIM. It does not metal like Rubino so you don't have to worry about working it cool. I really like it.

Actually I like this color. Transparent??
I have never used this brand of glass before. How does it compare?

Shrimp

2011-04-21, 8:07pm

Have any of you tried any of the Devardi cranberries? I have yet to have them crack on me. However, I haven't encased with them yet. They don't get livery or go gray like rubino sometimes does. Just a nice rich juicy cranberry color!

glassactcc

2011-04-21, 9:10pm

The Devardi is nice too. I just wish the canes were smaller.

HONEYBUNNY72_99

2011-04-22, 10:40am

The cranberry I just bought from the local glass shop seems fine

mandyjw

2011-04-24, 6:56pm

I've been disappointed with everything I've tried from CIM.

Polgarra

2011-04-24, 7:32pm

I love everything I have tried from CIM. :)

misspiggy

2011-04-24, 7:45pm

I wanted to try some Devardi rose or cranberry as "Crackberry" substitute.
How would they compare?

Elizabeth Beads

2011-04-25, 7:22am

Devardi Rose is a gorgeous fuchsia/magenta color but the rods have a lot of inclusions and seed bubbles. Devardi Cranberry looks more cherry red to me.

misspiggy

2011-04-25, 8:04am

Devardi Rose is a gorgeous fuchsia/magenta color but the rods have a lot of inclusions and seed bubbles. Devardi Cranberry looks more cherry red to me.

Fuchsia is actually the color I am looking for. I guess they have rose or dark rose. Is one brighter/better than the other? Maybe I should try their pink variety pack. I am willing to try it.. It's certainly reasonably priced. But I guess they do have their issues.

chrissij

2011-04-27, 8:28am

I love everything I have tried from CIM. :)

Same here.

Moth

2011-04-28, 10:06am

I love everything I've tried from CiM too. I don't have the cracking cranberry so I can still say that. ;-)

loribeads

2011-05-09, 5:50pm

I did this bead as a test of whether or not the cranberry I have is crackberry....yup, it's crackberry. :( It cracked about 6 hours after I got it out of the kiln and cleaned it. Plus it went all livery and ugly, too. Bleh.

237523

misspiggy

2011-05-09, 5:56pm

Yikes.
Sorry to hear that Lori.
And you didn't use it as an encasing either. So, it cracks no matter what.

Is that CIM Peace that you use as dots?

SuzyQ

2011-05-09, 6:01pm

It's just cracking even by itself? wow.

loribeads

2011-05-09, 6:01pm

The dots are pastel lavender blue or opaque ink blue or whatever they call it now.

loribeads

2011-05-09, 6:02pm

It's just cracking even by itself? wow.

It's encased in effetre clear.

Polgarra

2011-05-09, 6:02pm

Lori, is it just cranberry and the dots? No clear or anything? I would think that would be safe even with different COEs.

Oops. You slipped your response right as I posted. Nevermind.

SuzyQ

2011-05-09, 6:03pm

So when was this batch out? Not that I can remember when I bought mine, lol.

SuzyQ

2011-05-09, 6:03pm

It's encased in effetre clear.
oh, ok.

NLC Beads

2011-05-09, 6:03pm

I made a large pressed lentil with cranberry, dichro, and white swirls on top. Probably a thin clear encasing due to the dichro.

It cracked down the mandrel on both sides. So I figured I didn't reheat enough, heated it thoroughly to glowing and popped it back in the kiln, and it did the same thing again.

Not creating any faith in CiM here...

loribeads

2011-05-09, 6:10pm

I think this is just a funky batch of one color. I don't think it's a CiM problem, per se.

loribeads

2011-05-09, 6:13pm

I just checked my receipts and I got this batch from Frantz in December 2010.

misspiggy

2011-05-09, 6:15pm

It's encased in effetre clear.

Could this still be compatibility issue?

Polgarra

2011-05-09, 6:15pm

I just checked my receipts and I got this batch from Frantz in December 2010.

Yikes that is the same as me (I assume it was during their big sale ?) I guess I will need to go make a test bead and see what happens.

Ravenesque

2011-05-09, 6:20pm

Have any of you contacted Kathy? She wants feedback good and bad.

http://creationismessy.com/contact-us.aspx

I have had some spacers crack, now I'm curious, I figured it was user error but maybe not. I'm going to have to try some out different ways. Otherwise I've just used it as decoration, dots and that without issues.

chrissij

2011-05-09, 6:20pm

My order was from JamieLynn/Howaco in April of 2010. I guess I should also make a test bead. How sad is it that one year later, I've still not melted the tip of even one rod?

misspiggy

2011-05-09, 6:20pm

My stuff that are cracked are the ones that I used crackberry as encasing over Effetre.

I don't see crackberry at Frantz site anymore.. Did they pull it off the market? or just run out?

SuzyQ

2011-05-09, 6:36pm

Thanks Ladies. I have a pound I bought in January. I'll mark it and just use it by itself.

SuzyQ

2011-05-09, 6:40pm

Oh darn it, I bought some on sale in March too. (can I tell you how much I love that on my mac I can search emails by keywords :D) Guess I better do some testing.

Christy, I think they ran out. I know it was on sale for a pretty good price this past Spring when we were all talking about how expensive pink was getting and going to get.

loribeads

2011-05-09, 6:42pm

Um...I'm on a pc and I can search email by keyword, too. :lol: I have Outlook.

SuzyQ

2011-05-09, 6:45pm

oh, lol. Where were you when I was on a PC? geesh....

loribeads

2011-05-09, 9:08pm

I was probably on my iphone where I answer people's emails and then can't find my replies because I didn't do them on my PC. :rolleyes:

NLC Beads

2011-05-09, 9:13pm

I'm cautious about stuff I haven't used a lot yet... I trust Effetre and Vetro the most, and use anything else sparingly.

Silver Moon Lampwork

2011-05-10, 2:26am

I trust Effetre and Vetro the most, and use anything else sparingly.

Me too.

monarae

2011-05-17, 12:42pm

I had a problem but I'm not sure if it was cranberry or rubino, but I determined that it was the conflict between the pink and the clear. It only cracked when I used Aether. Rubino has gold metal and Aether has silver metal in it

I had sold the bead and when I went to package it I noticed cracks in a line that matched the wave of the pink. I tried remaking the bead the same way. Then with a different batch of rubino and CIM clear. I tried 104 clear frit. I tried clear under and over. I must have redone this bead 5 times! But always when I used the Aether the cracks appeared in definite line with the pink.

Here's a pic before the cracks appeared (you can barely see the start across the pink)
http://ny-image0.etsy.com/il_570xN.221084872.jpg

It happened in this focal too:
http://ny-image2.etsy.com/il_570xN.233498338.jpg