Messy Phoenix-any experience with this color?

[Shrimp]

I recently purchased some Messy Phoenix. The picture in the description looks like a pale salmon pink, with some ecru looking color surfacing. I was filled with anticipation to get this glass, only to see the rods are the color of Orange when they arrive. So I do a search on beads made with this color, and I find some that look like a deep orange. Pretty, but hardly what I had expected. Has anyone here bought this, and got it to come out looking like the Messy color swatch?

Got pics?

[rosemarie23]

I got a beautiful saturated orange color.
http://ny-image1.etsy.com/il_75x75.153835537.jpg

[Shrimp]

That is definitely not what I wanted. Very pretty orange though. Thank you for posting your picture Rosemarie.

Anyone else have pics?

Herer is the color swatch:

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[GlassyEyedGirl]

I find that if I heat make the bead and stick it into the kiln, it has that creamy color. If I strike it a couple of times I get more orange. Salmon not as much. I am sure you were hoping it would look like Poppy. :-)

[Shrimp]

I find that if I heat make the bead and stick it into the kiln, it has that creamy color. If I strike it a couple of times I get more orange. Salmon not as much. I am sure you were hoping it would look like Poppy. :-)

Poppy-nope. I am looking for the color of the swatch.

[rosemarie23]

The swatch is really pretty! Someone gave me the rod that I have, so I had no expectations. I really love the color that I got, but would have been really disappointed if I had seen the swatch first.

I do tend to cool and heat the beads a lot (lots of striking) - so that would explain the saturated color. It does seem that the technique Beth describes (little striking) might yield something closer to the swatch.

[Flonche]

These were Phoenix

http://ny-image0.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.84536292.jpg

Ain't no Poppy (I had thought so after someone posted their test beads in this (http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2497025&postcount=342) thread -unfortunately the pictures are gone) but it's one of my favourite CIM colors.

This page (http://www.creationismessy.com/color.aspx?id=62) has a ton of information about the wonders of Phoenix, but I guess you checked it already

[PaulaD]

I love that CiM page! It is so loaded with information!!

[Shrimp]

Flonche, Beautiful beads! I didn't see that page. Thank you! I don't know why I expected the glass to look anything like the swatch!:roll:

[Flonche]

Thank you Aleta, and you're welcome. I too was hoping for some kind of poppiness after that person posted her test beads, hence the confusion, but I certainly was not disappointed once I melted it!

[debim]

The swatch is beautiful. I can see why you'd want it. It reminds me of what opal yellow can do when it's treated just right. Unfortunately I have a hard time treating it just right.

[killerbeedz1]

Nope I don't get anything close to the swatch and it's really dissappointing. I just get a pretty orange. If I would have seen that color at first though, I would not have bought it. Orange does not sell well for me.

[StephBonniwell]

I have one disc bead sitting right here that is a reject from an autumn-themed key fob. It wasn't "autumn" enough for the project but it does have color variation and where it is lighter, similar to the CIM picture, it got lots of heat while being made. Hope this helps!

[blr2449]

I received two rods in a freebie from one of the glass suppliers I order from -- Frantz, maybe? I fired up my torch last night and made a couple of plain round beads. I only removed it from the heat once to roll in a beadroller, then reheated a bit and stuck into the annealing bubbles. This morning it's a very pretty creamy, pinky, orange. Heavy on the cream and pink. I just might have to buy more sometime down the road.

[Shrimp]

Steph, I'd love to see a pic if you have the ability to do that!

Barb, it sounds like you were able to get it to cooperate! I would like to see a picture if you have the equipment to do it!

[blr2449]

I'll most definitely try. Might be later today.

[StephBonniwell]

I can post a pic, too, and I hope to have it posted by Sat. :)

[blr2449]

I used the center fire only, made the bead, rolled in bead roller only once then cooled in annealing bubbles. After I took the pics I realized there is a crack in it. I'm very disappointed, but not deterred. LOL I'm going to make another one this evening. The rods are different shades; don't know what the finished product will be like.

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You can see the small crack in this one. :sad: But it's sure a beautiful color. I may have to reheat it more before I cool it down the final time.

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[StephBonniwell]

Here's the disc bead I was referring to....three different views. ;)

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[killerbeedz1]

Steph and Barb - love the color you got. I'm going to have to try mine out again. I made two beads and they were just orange.

[Judith Billig]

Steph & Barb - ohhhhhh, I LOVE this color!!!
Those are some lovely variations you got there.
Need to get it onto my shopping list!

[DarkFlowerBead]

Here's the disc bead I was referring to....three different views. ;)

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If anyone can get color from Phoenix, its you Steph.... You rock!!!! These are great!
Cara

[Shrimp]

I love the colors you all are getting.

[Jammy]

I just got some Phoenix a few days ago, and the rods look orange. I haven't used it yet, but I really, really hope it doesn't look like the rod when I melt it. If I want ORANGE, I'll buy anyone of the other million oranges out there for a lot less money. Also, when it comes to other colors -- I can't see spending something like $15.00 per 1/4 lb of glass only to get the exact same results I could get with something that is $3.00 per 1/4 lb.
But I bought some phoenix several months ago -- and even the RODS looked more like the swatch. When I made beads out of them, the color was delicious. It looked just like the swatch, only with even more color variations. I could even get it to go a pale creamy peach color depending on flame conditions.

[StephBonniwell]

Thank you for the kind comments on that simple bead. :) My glass was purchased some time ago so maybe it is a difference in batches, I don't know. When I made that disc, it reminded me of working with EDP (without the devit) or poppy in the sense of too much heat would lighten the glass color. I hope the new batches work well, too!!

[Tabitha]

Or maybe it's like Canyon de Chelly- I used to get awesome colours from it on my hothead, now on a minor it's blah.

[Shrimp]

I can't see spending something like $15.00 per 1/4 lb of glass only to get the exact same results I could get with something that is $3.00 per 1/4 lb.

But I bought some phoenix several months ago -- and even the RODS looked more like the swatch. When I made beads out of them, the color was delicious. It looked just like the swatch, only with even more color variations. I could even get it to go a pale creamy peach color depending on flame conditions.

I am so with you on the opposition of paying $15 for 1/4 lb of glass that looks like another glass for about 1/6th the price.

I was really expecting the rods to at least have some sort of salmon/tan color.

[blr2449]

I made 2 more last night, one from each rod. They both came out without a crack this time and the colors are creamy pink. I'll post pics later.

[blr2449]

Here are two I made last night, one from each rod:
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The lighter bead is from the lighter rod, but pretty much the same. This time I worked the bead, cooled it till glow was gone and put into the annealing bubbles. I did not use any shaping tool so there was no cooling in between heating. It's really a pretty color.

[Inky]

Barb, That is really pretty.

[Oenone]

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I worked all of these beads pretty hard, but still got a little variation in my orange.

Phoenix is nothing like the 'oranges' available in Moretti, Vetrofond or any other line (in my opinion). It strikes more orange the more you heat and cool it, but even apart from the colour it is way smoother and nicer to work with than the Effetre corals.

I really need to do some proper testing with this colour after seeing all of the examples in this thread! I'm intrigued :)

[Tsai]

Very pretty beads, Melanie! May I ask what green you used on the tab beads? I like the darker striations running through it. Is it Celadon?

[Oenone]

They are all Phoenix, Aloe Vera, Stone Ground and Pastel Ink Blue. I love Aloe Vera too!

[Tsai]

It is a lovely green! I like your color combo :)

[Tsai]

Who makes Aloe Vera?

[Oenone]

Aloe Vera is an old ASK colour. You can still get it under another name, because Kugler still makes it. I think it's called Isar Blue now, and you can get it from Artistry in Glass in Ontario, or from Hot Glass Color in Seattle. There are probably a few other places, but those are the ones I know :)

[Tsai]

Thank you, Melanie!

[blr2449]

I checked out the Kugler home page (http://www.farbglas.net/english/default_e.htm) and found Isar Blue to be K245. There's a pretty Isar Green, too. K243. Actually, there are a number of nice colors. :-)

[rosemarie23]

I made a bead the other day with Phoenix over Opal Yellow and got colors similar to the swatch - mostly a nice terracotta orangy color.

It was a bead that I had messed up the Opal Yellow base (I picked up shocky bits from my bench and mixed them in... unfortunately they weren't all Opal Yellow). So I grabbed the Phoenix, made dots, heated and raked. I melted it smooth again and into the kiln it went.

I'm pretty sure that the bits that I mixed in were Phoenix too, so I have swirls of orange and yellow. Phoenix was the only other color that I was working with that I could have picked up. Well, Sky Blue, but definitely not that!

There is a nice reaction line between the Phoenix and the Opal Yellow too - distinct and well behaved (no webbing).

I love Phoenix. I love the saturated color (like in my little beads above) when worked for a long time too.

[Shrimp]

I decided to try a rod of mine out on the hothead. It came out looking like a deep reddish terra cotta. It looks a lot like Melanie's Phoenix color.

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[blr2449]

I decided to try a rod of mine out on the hothead. It came out looking like a deep reddish terra cotta. It looks a lot like Melanie's Phoenix color.

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I know it's not what you wanted, but that is beautiful!!!

[Shrimp]

It's definitely not what I wanted Barb, but it really is an interesting color. I absolutely adore the Devardi press that I used. However, I managed to break the bead release before the bead was done, so I couldnt get it shaped perfectly. The mandrels had been dipped probably 2 months ago, so they are most likely in need of being cleaned and redipped.

[Jammy]

I am so with you on the opposition of paying $15 for 1/4 lb of glass that looks like another glass for about 1/6th the price.

I was really expecting the rods to at least have some sort of salmon/tan color.

Yes! And I feel like I'm really limiting my palette sometimes.
Because I'm always thinking maybe the glass does something really special but I won't ever see it because I'm too lazy to test all the time.
And Melanie, I love the colors in those beads!

[Jammy]

If anyone can get color from Phoenix, its you Steph.... You rock!!!! These are great!
Cara


ohhhh! How did I miss these the first time? I love the colors you got!