Can we talk about the rare and the hard to find? [Archive]

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-18, 5:52pm

What I mean is... I know that the old EDP is hard to find and Vet. Pstl. Ivory but I just read that "Hand-Pull Silver Plum 271 and Dark Silver Plum 275" is also hard to find. really?

Does someone have a list going of the outgoing? :lol: or just off the top of your head?
I recently bought a combination of 104's. IN the group there was some EDP and well, as a newbie I'm glad I read before just burning it up. I just don't know if I have rods that I need to use sparingly because they are hard to find. :-k

Any info would be helpful.

NLC Beads

2010-08-18, 5:56pm

Well, one camp says, "It's paid for... Use it!" :lol:

Here's what I'm aware of being scarcer:

Curdled Ivory, a batch of Moretti Dark Ivory
EDP
Silver Plum (both) handpulled, as you noted
Original Pineapple Sparkle - no white core
Poppy
River Rock
Vetrofond Ocean Green

Everyone else please chime in with more?

squid

2010-08-18, 6:06pm

I seem to recall Parrot Green being sought after.

cgbeads

2010-08-18, 7:01pm

tin roof

RyanTheNumberImp

2010-08-18, 7:31pm

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-18, 7:41pm

There are so many there is no point trying to keep track of them.
People have made lists before, but different people call them different things and give them different numbers and some colors have the same name but are actually different etc...

And there must be at least 20 corals that are expensive.

The oldest and most "famous" odd lot I'm aware of is streaky pink.

Totally understand what your saying Ryan about making a list. I was really just wondering what members came up with off the top of their head, much like those that were mentioned.
So far, I know that the EDP, Dk Ivory which CURRRDLES and the DSP I have, need to be used sparingly. I'm a newbie and it would be a mistake, any way you look at it, for me to PPP with those rods. We learn soo much from people taking the time to throw out this type of info. I appreciate it.

If you think of any others please let me know. Brown Opal Yellow? hmmm*

Carolyn M

2010-08-18, 7:54pm

Lynn, how do you know you have anything rare? Was the EDP from another beadmaker., or from a vendor?

FishBulb

2010-08-18, 8:37pm

FishBulb

2010-08-18, 8:38pm

Amber Rose

NLC Beads

2010-08-18, 9:30pm

Handpulled Dark Teal - it's a richer color...
Some of the super-scarce initial Double Helix batches - Rhubarb, etc.

RyanTheNumberImp

2010-08-18, 9:31pm

To be honest, I think the importance of odd lots has gone down over time. Back when I first started if you wanted 104 glass there was just moretti. If you wanted a color that wasn't one of the fifty or so they had at the time, too bad.

Every odd lot was a big deal, especially since some colors were completely missing such as pink. When streaky pink is literally the only pink it's a big deal - now there are so many substitutes that an odd lot pink would just be another color.

Between the dozens of glass manufacturers and thousands of different colors many older colors have been near-replicated and you can have just as much fun with new colors as old ones.

The chances are that you will never be able to try every 104 color currently in production, so there is no point worrying about collecting old colors as well. If you really want something you can always mix it.

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-19, 2:46am

Lynn, how do you know you have anything rare? Was the EDP from another beadmaker., or from a vendor?

I really don't know for sure. Yeah, the glass was from someone who has stopped making beads and got rid of her stash. So, it's not NEW glass. I just know that if it's hard to get curdling dk ivory, then I don't want to use it all up just PPP'ing. I LOVE the ivories, guess I lean more towards the "organic" side, so the curdling effect appeals to me....plus, I hate regret!! heehee* The EDP was in that same group of glass as was the plums. Again, not so much rare as just can't get it anymore ya know? :doubt:

wendbill

2010-08-19, 3:02am

It's catch 22, because often the more expensive glasses have some nice effects and reactions.

I found it was a build up of experience full stop. As I learnt about how to shape glass and work with it (an ever ongoing battle), I also learnt about how different colours work in the flame - whether they're stiff or soupy colours, or how they chemically react against each other etc etc. Often with the expensive/rare colours you only need a little to get an interesting result. A rod of an expensive colour may last several years depending on how you use it.

A lot may depend on what type of learning curve you have/use.

Working with glass can also be quite hit and miss. There are beads I made in the first couple of months I started torching, that I'd be thrilled to make now. There are also numerous beads I make today which make me wonder what on earth I was thinking. Granted as time passes, the successes start outweighing the failures.

Use it, enjoy it, enjoy the successes, lament the failures. At the end of the day, it's only glass.

wendbill

2010-08-19, 3:05am

The handpulled version of Moretti Pale Emerald Green; the newer version is yellower.

Handpulled Red Roof Tile, which should be a dark brick red and not that baby poo yellow that is currently making the rounds.

My older Nile Green Opalino is a far prettier green than the new stuff; the new glass has more yellow in it.

What is it with yellow these days??

That's the other interesting thing - if you look at the rod, and think that the colour doesn't appeal, you should still melt some anyway. Some rods look quite unappealing, but do quite interesting things in the flame.

rosemarie23

2010-08-19, 7:56am

Old handpulled pale emerald green is hard to find. The new machine made stuff is much more yellow whereas the old was kind of Coke bottle green.

ASK Cinnamon is another that I know people treasure.

laserglass

2010-08-19, 10:45am

have you tried this

http://www.glasscolor.com/lampworking/reichenbach104_transparent_cane.aspx

FishBulb

2010-08-19, 2:01pm

theglasszone

2010-08-19, 3:12pm

Oh, how I love some of the HTF glasses! :)

Personal favs:

Streaky Pink - yum! Looks like this (paddle test is the only way to be SURE!):
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Misc%20Photos/StreakyPink.jpg

DH Northern Lights - looks like this:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/LE%20GS%20Photos/Northern7.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/LE%20GS%20Photos/Northern1.jpg

ASK Passionate Pink - looks like this (white core until torched):
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/PassionatePink3.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/PassionatePink2.jpg

Poppy - both versions - which look like this:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Poppy1.jpg

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-19, 5:30pm

Wendy, yes I have found some glasses look entirely different after being in the flame, Painted Desert being one of them. I'll usually buy at least one rod of everything I can get my hands on just in case I like the finished product!

Lynn, I have both the real Curdled Ivory as well as the new batch of Moretti Dark Ivory and I've really found no difference -- if anything, the newer Dark Ivory curdles even a bit better.

Angie, that's good to know because I ordered "DK Ivory, the good kind or curdling kind" from someone here on LE because I thought there was an older that curdled way better than the newer....UGh!!! I know it's a matter of opinions but that's why I'm soooooo glad we have such great people on LE to throw those opinions out there for us who are just starting to develop our own......opinions!! hahaha*

Thanks De for adding to this by posting pics. You know us newbies need the visuals..hee*

loribeads

2010-08-19, 7:38pm

Oh yeah, Passionate Pink. I have some of that and I hoard it like a fiend.

alb6094

2010-08-20, 2:02am

have you tried this

http://www.glasscolor.com/lampworking/reichenbach104_transparent_cane.aspx

MMMMMmmmmmmm reich...

crystalflipz

2010-08-20, 3:08pm

Dee, if my firstborn weren't old enough to protest very loudly, I might offer to trade you for a rod of your DH Northern Lights! LOL I'm fortunate enough to have been gifted some of the old DH colors, Dk Rhubarb and Nebulae and I treasure them. Some other hard to find/in demand colors that come to mind:
Effetre Dk Pink - Crazy Cane and Rasberry versions
ASK Mediterranean Olive - the original color
ASK Moroccan Swirl
Effetre Translucent Yellow
Vetro River Rock
Vetro ELO (extra light olive) a newer odd that came and went really fast
Vetro Olive Green - not the dk

Kevan

2010-08-20, 3:19pm

It depends on if you want them or not. If you are someone who has been doing something with streaky pink for a long time and it's disappearing then you might want it. I don't give a rat's patootie about streaking pink, but the Silver Cinnamon and the ASK Caramel Apple I have is precious to me. So are the few rods of River Rock I still have.

I sold a bunch of the Translucent Yellow I had because I don't use yellow much. Except for Opal Yellow.

yellowbird

2010-08-20, 3:52pm

Can anyone tell me what is about streaky pink that people like is it the streaks or the pink?

yellowbird

2010-08-20, 4:25pm

Thanks Kimberly
Is there a color out now that is close?

Lisi

2010-08-21, 12:17pm

Effetre petroleum green from 2002-2005: a deeper "bluer" teal and more reactive. Not like this washed out stuff that's been around since then.

Elizabeth Beads

2010-08-21, 2:42pm

Striking Color, especially some of the old recipes, but any one will do. I'm addicted to that glass - it's like a box of chocolates - you never know what you will get. ;)

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-21, 6:35pm

Effetre petroleum green from 2002-2005: a deeper "bluer" teal and more reactive. Not like this washed out stuff that's been around since then.

Lisi, (or anyone)
Maybe you can help me with this particular question. (I have a few more coming...heehee*)
On the Left we have Petroleum Green on the Right we have (what was tagged) Nile Green, but what do we have in the middle? Oh, and let me throw out that I have another Green Rod that looks nothing like the Nile Green in the picture, but is tagged Nile Green...LOL

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Seasoned Soul

2010-08-21, 6:44pm

I have both of these in by Yellow Opal stash, purchased from two different people. I haven't melted the dark core rods to know the difference between the two. So what do you mean when you say "Yellow Opal, the brown stuff"?

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Nicker

2010-08-21, 7:37pm

DH Northern Lights - looks like this:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/LE%20GS%20Photos/Northern7.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/LE%20GS%20Photos/Northern1.jpg

LOVE these first double helix glasses!

one hot beader

2010-08-21, 8:05pm

Newer opal yellow is pale lemon in colour, so much so and very different looking that when I first got some of it I was sure they had sent the wrong glass.

Yours is the buttery brownish tone of the older stuff.

yellowbird

2010-08-21, 8:20pm

I have found that even the palest opal yellow rods ends up as dark as the darker rods
If you work it long enough.

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-21, 8:50pm

Thanks, both of you, for helping me out with the Y.O. question... much appreciated.

*** anyone want to give their opinion on the Petroleum/Nile green question?
:-)

rosemarie23

2010-08-22, 8:10am

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-22, 8:41am

Lynn, that bundle on the right does not look like Nile green to me.
Here is Nile at Frantz (http://www.frantzartglass.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=79_108_216_259&products_id=3236).

I don't have any suggestions what it or the center ones are...

Thanks RoseMarie!! I'm about to head out to the Studio and I'm going to look at the other rods, tagged, Nile Grn.

Anyone else want to take a guess at what the Unidentified or wrongly tagged rods in the center, and now on the right, are? Maybe just a different batch of Petroleum??

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Seasoned Soul

2010-08-22, 8:49am

One more thing....
I sooo appreciate all of you for posting...and please if you have any more to add do so.... but from the HTF rods posted, I ended up having approx. 8-9. I spent yesterday afternoon re-arranging, moving some to the top row in an attempt to remind myself to use them sparingly...little here and there (I don't have a ton of glass so this new arrangement was pretty easy). Plus my daughter is beginning and the top shelf is off limits for now...teehee*

**side note: sure wish I had a prize for the person who can ID the
Petroleum/Un ID'd Green/Nile(?) :roll:

yellowbird

2010-08-22, 11:44am

Kimberly thanks for the info

One more streaky pink question please
was it originally an odd lot called streaky or was it once upon a time lt. pink?

Elizabeth Beads

2010-08-22, 11:54am

Thanks RoseMarie!! I'm about to head out to the Studio and I'm going to look at the other rods, tagged, Nile Grn.

Anyone else want to take a guess at what the Unidentified or wrongly tagged rods in the center, and now on the right, are? Maybe just a different batch of Petroleum??

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here. The glass on the left is Ocean Green (based on the appearance of the melted end), the middle is Petroleum Green and the right is Mosaic Green. None of those is Nile. There was an older version of Petroleum that was more teal but I have never seen it personally. The stripe down one rod in the mystery bundle may be a clue.

Firebrand Beads

2010-08-22, 2:09pm

I was also thinking Mosaic...

theglasszone

2010-08-22, 11:41pm

It is a rich, saturated, true pink which was VERY hard to find in COE 104 before it came out.

Kimberly...when you posted this, were you thinking of the Passionate Pink (and not the streaky)?

I'm asking because the streaky was just that...streaky! It was a pale-to-medium pink, and I believe someone once mentioned that when the particular batch that went "streaky" was made, it had a touch of rubino in it from not clearing the crucible entirely, which was what ultimately caused the streaky-ness. Does this sound right to anyone else?

I think that for a current strong pink, I vote for Reichenbach Opal Raspberry, which is a dark, dense, yummie pink! It CAN divot like EDP if you're not careful with your heat, but if you use gentle flaming or super heat it after it divots, you can bring it back.

I made this BHB bunny with it, for example:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/RaspBunny2.jpg

theglasszone

2010-08-22, 11:42pm

Oh, and I'm inclined to agree with Elizabeth on the "guess" of the mis-marked "Nile" - looks like old Petro Green to me, too. I have some and have never used it. :rolleyes:

Lisi

2010-08-23, 5:20am

OMG..the petroleum on the left looks like the old goody that I lust after!! In the picture it looks more "bluey" than the others. Oh I want...I'll shut up now...

If the one in the middle is really opaque then it's the newer petroleum. The one on the right, likely it is too. Nile green opaque much lighter like even lighter than opaque grass green. Nile green opalino is dark, but not opaque, it's more translucent. Mosaic green is dark too like the one on the right, but if you look close it has a veil of transparent dark green over opaque dark green, if it's Vetrofond. (mosaic green)

The Effetre mosaic green is very dark pine green but it's more opaque than the Vetro, and not a dark teal color at all. Teal being a cool color and the warmer greens (like the Mosaic and Nile greens) have more yellow in their color makeup.

Hope I didn't confuse you! But one real good way to tell what green they are is if they are "cool" then it's the petroleums, if "warm", then it's the mosaic, nile, or grass greens. I don't think they are any of the grass green though, too dark. Oh, Effetre nile green opaque is better described as a cooler version of Effetre pea green. Same lightness in shade but pea green has more yellow in it. I had some nile green opalino a long time ago, and it's not like the nile green opaque at all. Darker and somewhat translucent like the opalinos are. :)

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-23, 5:49am

Lisi, My head is spinning after that intense lesson on Greens!! hahahahahaha I do appreciate it, but one thing is....we KNOW it's not NILE! \\:D/
let me see if I have this straight,
The rods on the left COULD be Petroleum OLD, Rods in the middle MIGHT be Petroleum NEW, Rods on the right MIGHT be Petroleum NEW as well.

Of course we can distinguish between Rods on the left vs the others but there is a slight difference in "STREAK" for middle rods and right rods. Middle rods have a turqoise streak while rods on the right have a deep green streak. Now, I know that this can still mean that they are from the same Glass Co just different batches but is that it? Maybe they are the same family just different generations?

Thanks sooo much for everyone's help and please feel free to chime in on the mysterious green rods.

*** I do LOVE the rods on the left too Lisi. I've only touched those once because I wanted to stretch that tiny stash out as long as I could. heehee*

new Pic with actual NILE green included...ugh!!

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kandice

2010-08-23, 5:54am

Streaky Pink was it for me for a long time.....then came Crazy Cane. Crazy Cane, or Raspberry as some called it, was a wonderful odd lot of 256 Dark Pink that isn't around anymore, sadly. And there hasn't been a version of opaque pink that I have liked as much since.

I also miss Tequilla Sunrise.

I agree that odd lots are not as crucial as they once were, because there are so many new colors coming from so many different glass makers now.

Mmmmmmmmmmm - I think it is called Crazy Cane - close, maybe even better - but not much of it around either. LOL!! Pinks are so frustrating! I know Kandice likes some of the CIM pinks. You might look at those!

Rareripes

2010-08-23, 7:06am

I have lots of labeled Petroleum Green..lots of labeled Nile Green and one labeled rod of Mosaic Green..here is my pic..I was guessing the third was mosaic also..and now I see you have the real Nile Green..what a difference,huh? lol

Rareripes

2010-08-23, 8:06am

Oh..I love the Nile Green color.I was saying the real Nile is so different than what was mislabeled as Nile.Its a pretty Spring color for leaves and budding leaves.Very pretty with pale pinks :)
My photo was definitely a bit darker than the actual color.

Lorraine Chandler

2010-08-23, 8:13am

Those look pretty good - but still not as dark as the first Opal Yellow - it really was brown with a dark pinkish core, but blushed peach and pink when struck - lovely stuff. I haven't seen any for a long time. I have a couple of rods of it that I hoard!

Kimberly, I also have about a pound of the old brown with pink centers OY. I was wondering what would be the best way to STRETCH it out. If you don't mind my asking, what do you use it for when you just "have" to have the OY in a bead?

Same questions for others also...What do you use 'the rare colors" for?

I am seriously thinking of just pulling all of my "rare" older sought after colors into stringers and using them that way.\\:D/

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-23, 10:05am

Kimberly, I also have about a pound of the old brown with pink centers OY. I was wondering what would be the best way to STRETCH it out. If you don't mind my asking, what do you use it for when you just "have" to have the OY in a bead?

Same questions for others also...What do you use 'the rare colors" for?

I am seriously thinking of just pulling all of my "rare" older sought after colors into stringers and using them that way.\\:D/

:idea: That sounds like a really good plan Lorraine! :idea:

Lorraine Chandler

2010-08-23, 10:25am

Need to add - want to "get rid" of any of that Opal Yellow???????????

Hmmmmm...Maybe.....Let me go see what I have..

Elizabeth Beads

2010-08-23, 10:28am

Aha! The second from left glass with the stripe is Dark Aqua, without a doubt. I still think the left green may be Ocean. The second from right now looks like regular Petroleum. What a difference lighting makes!

Lisi, My head is spinning after that intense lesson on Greens!! hahahahahaha I do appreciate it, but one thing is....we KNOW it's not NILE! \\:D/
let me see if I have this straight,
The rods on the left COULD be Petroleum OLD, Rods in the middle MIGHT be Petroleum NEW, Rods on the right MIGHT be Petroleum NEW as well.

Of course we can distinguish between Rods on the left vs the others but there is a slight difference in "STREAK" for middle rods and right rods. Middle rods have a turqoise streak while rods on the right have a deep green streak. Now, I know that this can still mean that they are from the same Glass Co just different batches but is that it? Maybe they are the same family just different generations?

Thanks sooo much for everyone's help and please feel free to chime in on the mysterious green rods.

*** I do LOVE the rods on the left too Lisi. I've only touched those once because I wanted to stretch that tiny stash out as long as I could. heehee*

new Pic with actual NILE green included...ugh!!

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Lorraine Chandler

2010-08-23, 11:44am

Kimberly, I checked my stash and if you are out of OY and need some I will split what I have with you. I can send you 7 rods.

About 4.5 ounces. Maybe we can do a trade? or partial trade for a bead of yours? or whatever you are comfortable with. I'am easy.

Here is what I have..7 rods ( I kept the other half) They are from about 5 years ago and are a yucky yellow mustard color. They are smaller in diameter but pretty long.

Lorraine Chandler

2010-08-23, 11:59am

I wish someone had a picture of the dark brown stuff. Must have been before my time, no wonder you are hoarding it!!!!

Lorraine Chandler

2010-08-23, 12:13pm

I did some research and here is a post by Tink from 2003. So that glass is old. She said it looks like caramels or dog poo..LOL

That was one year before I really started buying glass. so I missed it. DArN!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107532

Charmaine

2010-08-23, 1:16pm

Charmaine

2010-08-23, 1:45pm

I will send you one if you want to give it a whirl

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-23, 1:48pm

Okay Okay....whoa....how can you get darker, that what Charmaine posted pics of (ends especially), and still be called Yellow, much less Opal Yellow??!! hahahahahaha :lol:

Say what??!

:-D

Lorraine Chandler

2010-08-23, 2:21pm

I don't know how old this is, I've been making beads for 10 years, so it's up there. I've bought opal yellow over the ages, thought it was interesting to see how the color changes, from a very dark brownish yellow (is that what we're looking for?) to a pale yellow. Oh, and that's a rod of moretti white across them for contrast

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I took a picture of the darkest opal yellows centers:
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Those look Fabulous!!! Thank you for the pictures of the change over the years in the OY..My batch falls right in the middle.

May I copy your pic to show students and keep it on file? I think it really is an excellent example of how flexible we lampworkers have to be and what we go through with changes in the glass colors.

Charmaine

2010-08-23, 4:09pm

Sure

Listenup

2010-08-24, 12:36am

If it's Petrolium Green, it will web like crazy (black web) with only a dot of it on Ivory. That's what the second bead in this pix is.

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Lisi

2010-08-24, 12:58am

Lynn, now that you took the picture again, the third from the left looks like the dark grass green opaque. I'm almost sure of it because I have some of that color from years back and it was pretty dark like that.

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-24, 3:43am

Made beads last night with each of the greens on white, will post this evening. I'm beginning to think they are all one in the same. When I look at the differences in the Opal Yellow, it shouldn't be so hard for me to imagine that the Petroleum could change from generation to generation. ya know? haha

Charmaine

2010-08-24, 4:55am

and I have 2 "mosaic greens" in the same tube that couldn't be different from each other. One is a very dark, knobby, deep transparent green, the other bunch is pastel opaque green, a close cousin to nile green.

Kalorlo

2010-08-24, 5:33am

Yeah, there's a transparent mosaic green as well as the opaque (023 and 223).

Seasoned Soul

2010-08-24, 7:16pm

Here is a test to see if your glass is Mosaic Green:
Wrap a thin stringer of the green around a white or ivory bead. Super heat it. If it is Mosaic Green - it will spread out and pretty much cover the bead. If it is Petroleum it won't spread, or at least it will not spread NEARLY as much. Mosaic Green can totally take over a bead.

Just had to add - Nile Green is one of my favorite greens. I love its coolness. Mine looks nothing like the photos - like Pea Green with a touch of blue added.

The Kimberly test:
took each of the three Greens, wrapped a thin stringer around white and then super heated. Did this help to ID the middle rods or even the ones on the left or right?
:-k
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Magicfire

2010-09-13, 1:40pm

I remember when streaky pink came out...as I recall, it was one of the first odd lots to become available. I made a Moretti chip chart around that time, and there was a little space for new colors; the 3 odd lots that were available went in that spot. They were translucent yellow, streaky pink and cherry red.

It's so funny now to think that little space could hold all the odd lots! lol

It's "odd" that no one ever mentions cherry red. lol I still have a few rods. It's an opaque red that is a little streaky when worked. I think I still have the little red shoe that I made out of it.

I also found that if you mix white with some rubino and leave it streaky, it looks pretty much like streaky pink. I pulled SP stringers and my mix stringers and I couldn't tell the difference.

I love translucent yellow too! It looks kind of like yellow shampoo glass. Yummy!

yellowbird

2010-09-13, 5:07pm

Thanks Magicfire and Kimberly for your help.

pattybeads

2010-09-27, 7:41pm

So how much is river rock selling for these days?

wadiefong

2010-09-27, 8:01pm

This is a fascinating thread. Please pardon the newbie dumb question, but can someone please tell me what the difference is between the old and new EDP?

It's on of my fav colors when it's encased (I'm still having problems controlling the devitrifying aspect, even when I work at the back end of the flame *blush*). Thank you!