Lauscha Color of the Month Help

[Juliac]

Any tips on using this new color? I don't want to give the color away yet, but my results were dismal. I got a grey. And i don't want to waste it trying to figure it out. I did try it as a stringer on white and that was ok, but when I combined it with silver- yuck. On ivory- yuck. And even over white dots on olive green, I was left wanting more. Is there a trick? The color is beautiful in the rod so I was hoping it might be me and not the glass!!!

[joebirder]

I have had the same results you have gotten... even my beads with a white base turn out a gray color... But your right the rods are beautiful. I thought about breaking my rods to differnt lengths and hanging them with string to make a wind chime...
Maybe someone who has had some luck will be kind enough to share some pics and info...
Joe

[loribeads]

My beads are exactly the same color as the rod. I did the hokey pokey with one of the beads for half an hour trying to strike the color. :(

[amybfromtc]

We just did one test bead over Moretti white, and it looks really great! Didn't do anything special really... will do again and pay careful attention.

Amy

[FiredDesires]

I haven't even tried mine out yet! Gorgeous color in the rod form....my first thought when I heard of the greying problem? Either turn the pressure on propane regulator down (4-6 psi p and 10-14psi oxy) or work further out in the flame...might be getting too much gas and this color needs a more oxy rich flame. I will do some tester beads today and report back tomorrow....
Lori.....please post instructions for the hokey pokey, we can use all the help we can get! lol

[Jenn L'Rhe]

I got a really nice one by: black bead, encase with Supernova in a reduction flame, melt flat, squiggle heavily with Supernova stringer (pulled in a reduction flame) melt in (slight reduction flame) then encase.....pretty much the same as the Double Helix glass...tempermental got just a couple great ones and a bunch of muckies (is that a word?) Hope this helps, now off to try what Marcie posted.

I can "try" to take a pic and PM it, if you'ld like.
Kay
(Mom to Jenn, Lu and Rhe)

[Reenie]

Here's some tips from members and also the official tip from Lauscha.
Hope it helps

http://web.mac.com/marciedavis/iWeb/Lauscha/Supernova.html

Try This: It's a silver based color. That means that after you get your shaping done, let it cool slightly and then hit it once or twice with a really reducing flame, with plenty of gas, very little oxygen. The more you reduce it, the more surface effects you can get. They range from pale opaque blue to opaque sandy butterscotch. I noticed that if I only partially reheated the glass, several inches from the flame, I got yummy peacock tail colors. If I reheated close to the torch for a serious reheat with a good glow, I got the more sandy/desert butterscotch effects. Try melting in dots of clear here and there to multiply the type of effects you get. We'll be posting in a day or two the "official" version of how to work the color. Till then, have fun, and send me photos of what you come up with.

I'm on a hothead and I played with it just a little bit last night. Used a mosaic green base with dots of opal yellow and then added the supernova on top of those. I got a very light purple transparent color. The beaeed is wonky so I'll try again today and post it. I worked it both very low to flame and heated it up super high and also up towards the top of the flame like you do with Kronos....same results each time. I'll make a couple just on white today to see if there's a difference in where I heat it.
Irene

[DesertDreamer]

Wahhh, my glass hasn't come yet and I want to play!

[SLY Creations]

So far, I have been disappointed in this color. As stated it is beautiful in the rod, but turns a very dull brownish color when applied. Tried a clear base with the color on top, not attractive. Then pulled into stringer and made flowers, very dull color. A successful experiment was overlaying the purple over pink. Gorgeous. I think we are going to have to find the right combos for this color. I have only begun to play with this color, but I am sure we will find nice applications.

[FiredDesires]

Well, things came up yesterday and I didn't get a chance to play with this color. Supernova? Is that the name of this glass? And it is supposed to reduce? I'm pretty much in the dark here as there wasn't a tech sheet or info included with the glass......I'd love for it to stay the rod color...scrumptious.
I'll try working it with an oxy flame and then reducing it to see what happens, and then of course try all the recommendations I've seen posted so far. Thanks all...

[Jenn L'Rhe]

Don't waste the glass using oxy rich. It needs propane. Get Double Helix type results working it the same way. SLY PM me & I'll send you the pic I sent to Reenie. Tempermental stuff.....but beautiful. I don't want to give this away for those who don't have glass....but it is NOT purple that you are looking for.
Kay

Edited to say: I didn't know that I could forward a PM with pic. I'm at work and the pic is at home. SLY did forward to you, let me know if it did or didn't work.

[SLY Creations]

I just re-read Irene's post. Duh, what a dufus I am. So it's silver based. GREAT, I am one of those dummies who can't seem to to get this kind of glass to work it's magic. Sigh, what am I going to do with all of this glass. I have wasted almost a quarter pound of the Rocio Mist (R4) glass, (at $100/lb.) trying to get some kind of reaction. Nothing. This is all very depressing. I am working on a Lynx. Can anyone help me?

[Magicfire]

How did you get yours? I paid months ago and I don't seem to have the Lauscha page bookmarked. I was wondering why I haven't heard anything.

Thanks,
Patti

Edited to say: I noticed the link above, but it doesn't say if this color is shipping or not? Is this the 1st color for the club? And why does it seem to be such a deep dark secret?

[GinnyHampton]

Don't waste the glass using oxy rich. It needs propane. Get Double Helix type results working it the same way. SLY PM me & I'll send you the pic I sent to Reenie. Tempermental stuff.....but beautiful. I don't want to give this away for those who don't have glass....but it is NOT purple that you are looking for.
Kay

Edited to say: I didn't know that I could forward a PM with pic. I'm at work and the pic is at home. SLY did forward to you, let me know if it did or didn't work.


Probably a silly question - - but work it in a reduction flame from warming the rod, pulling stringer, decorating, etc?? I've been making my beads as usual, then reducing and getting nothing.

TIA :)

[FiredDesires]

I played with this a little yesterday....I am not liking this glass so far. Reduction/oxy? For me it doesn't like anything. I was treating it as a silver base glass, which is easier worked neutral/oxy and then reduced...nothing...blah.....back to the drawing board.

[x_phoenician]

I'm on a hothead so it's propane rich flame no matter what :p
I just barely had some blue color appear on my bead.
I melted design into my glass, heated it really hot out in the flame a bit, let cool, tried it again....held it close to my torch head to get some reduction and then heated super hot again....still wasn't seeing anything so heated it so hot it was bright orange and getting almost to point of being droopy. I did that last step about 3 times and I just hardly had any color at all. I'm not "Lauscha Bashing" but Kronos is actually the easiest silver glass for me to work with on the hothead. This leads me to believe Kronos might have the highest silver content? Anyway, I'm thinking once the Lynx is set up I won't have these issues.
(Impatiently waiting for studio to be finished!)
~Tracy

[loribeads]

Would I be ruining it for everyone if I posted a photo of my results so far?

I think they are ickiola but Desiree liked them. Go figure.

[joebirder]

anything that might give someone hope... I think would be nice..

[loribeads]

Ok, I just went and checked the Supernova site and she has posted a photo so I guess it's ok if I do.

I started with a base of black, covered in supernova stringers, melted in and decorated with lauscha clear stringer. Reduced, reduced, reduced again until I actually got something. Something being subtly colored mud, that is.

I can see how some would like this effect but I am really not one of those people. Do you think anyone would be mad if I sold this stuff off?

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[joebirder]

I like your beads. real earthy tones... Thanks for sharing... Looks much better than the mud color I have gotten so far...
Joe

[loribeads]

Thanks Joe. :)

[loribeads]

One tip I can give is to melt the rod in a reducing flame when pulling the stringer. The stringer was actually lumpy with silver 'globs' when I just used a reducing flame. In fact, barely any oxy was used during the making of the whole bead.

[Lizabeads]

Mine are yucky too.... I hope we figure out how to get it to do something soon before I waste it all... :oops:

[evilglass]

I really like those! If I can ever get to my torch again-sick kid-I hope my stuff comes out that earthy and cool looking....

[SuzyQ]

I used a propane rich flame from start to finish with my beads too. My first test bead I tried to reduce after and it just didn't seem to work. The glass likes propane! The candle was probably 3 inches long. I'll show them later when I take pictures.

[chrissij]

Hmmm...I've gotten a fair amount of blue, but not at all like the R4 glasses. I gotta' find my camera! and I didn't use a high reduction flame. I pulled a stringer in a high reduction flame, and then made a bead in an oxygen rich flame (I wanted to keep the pretty color), twirled and swirled with the stringer, then wafted it in and out of a reduction flame just to glowing (middle candle about 3/4 of an inch) many many many many, did I say many? times. It also seemed to me, and I could be totally wrong, that the colors appeared to come out more, the more I pressed it...

[GinnyHampton]

Thanks for the pix Lori, I have been getting nothing even close to that.
My problem is obviously that I don't reduce until the end, and I need to reduce from the very start.

So, should I pitch the stringers I've already pulled??

[GinnyHampton]

The glass likes propane! The candle was probably 3 inches long. I'll show them later when I take pictures.


Yes, please do!! I'd like to see what you came up with too :)

[SuzyQ]

OK, here are some pictures. The set and the close up of the set are the supernova worked in a heavy reduction flame from start to finish. I striped on clear encased dichros stringer. I suspect cooling the bead by pressing and then reheating to apply the stringer may have helped the color come out a bit. I had a test round bead that didn't have blues and greens.

The third picture is a close up (you can tell how close by the lint) of a button bead with clear dots on top. The clear didn't seem to do much but I wanted you to see how the heavy reduction and at least one round of cooling and reheating gives the glass an abolone look.

I think I am going to play with swirling the supenova into a clear base to see if I can get a bit of purple from the glass to play. And, maybe back off on the propane to see at which point you still get a reaction but not so much propane grey.

I would love to see other results!

[Jenn L'Rhe]

O.K. If we're going to post pics. Since I have sent this one to a few people, I'll post it here. If I remember right, pulled a supernova stringer that the rod was melted in a reducing flame, like mentioned above bumpy when pulled.

I made a black base bead. Encase with supernova about an inch above a 1" candle. Melted it flat, swiggled in the same reduction flame the stringer, melted it in pulled the bead way back out of the flame, turned up the oxy to melt clear thick stringer (Lauscha) and encase with the clear keeping the bead out of major heat until it was fully encased. Melted the clear encasing in on the back side of the still neutral to flame slowly as to not overheat the base bead. Then I sqashed it because it was slightly lopsided and then reheated cut it up and pinched it with pliers to see what would happen if I abused it. Looks alot like OR to me but at $35/lb a bargain.
Kay
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[Lizabeads]

Ok maybe I am not reducing right... someone please show me a pic of your torch preferably a minor when using a reduction flame..... maybe then I can figure it out.... hopefully anyway.... lol

[SuzyQ]

I love that blue you are getting! Nice.

[Lizabeads]

I wonder too if you have to use Lauscha clear to get those effects...

[Leanne]

Wow that looks really cool. So maybe everyone is OVERREDUCING if they are getting mud...you know like Kronos it's a fine line between beautiful blues and mud. If you reduce to far you get mud.

Only reason I didn't join Laushca colour of the month club is because I personally think Laucha has HUGE compatibility problems. It is SO NOT compatible with moretti. The clear encases so lovely but EVERY SINGLE BEAD will eventually CRACK. Also I have used LAUSCHA with LAUSCHA and it CRACKS! And yes I did use 2 different lauscha colours with the same coe. The only time it doesn't crack is if I put a bit of enamel on and raised intense black.

That said I love their colours and still use them just only on their own.

I actually think I would really like some of this supernova if I can get brilliant blues like that...if it is really hard like OR then I dono't want it but. I can work Kronos like a charm but OR? forget it I just get poop.

ANyway just my 2cents!

[Deb]

I played briefly with this glass last night. I seemed to have the best luck just putting supernova on supernova. I made the bead. Then added dots and lines of more supernova. Then reduced it in a flame adjusted so that the yellow part of the flame was about 1.5 - 2" long. I held the bead just inside the yellow area when working it. It took about 4-6 passes in the flame.. but I consistently got color that way.

I'll have to do a bit more experimenting to see what else I can do with it.

Deb

[Juliac]

Well, this glass sure is a challange!! I like the swirly colors you got SuzyQ and that green was pretty Lori. I love the blues you got Kay. I'll try that the next time I get a play day.

[Gardengirl]

Hmmm....
mine hasn't come yet either.
I'm sure it's on its way.
I thought we were supposed to be able to preview the glass before it came out.
Does it come with any instructions on how to work it, since it sounds like all the glass coming outta this special club furnace will all be experimental.
We maybe should be paying less, not more to be the guinea pigs.
Maybe I'll just wait and see how I can work it or if I can. I get dissapointing enough results with ivory and certian frits, I don't want to pay out the A** for a glass that looks like mud.
Can't wait to see what happens.
Does anyone think it works better on one kind of torch than another??
I have a Minor, but am upgrading this week to a Phirana. Wondering if it will make any difference...

[debkauz]

I'd just like to get the damned stuff.

[crystalflipz]

One thing that I found while working with this stuff tonight is that it likes to be worked very cool - think a finicky purple rubino. I kept looking at all the grey ick I kept getting and suddenly realized that what was happening was that I was actually burning all the silver off. Try turning the propane way down and the oxy as well, to get your reducing flame turn the oxy down further and watch the colors. The real colors come after the glass is encased, but you can see the blues and greens before you encase. The glass is really stiff if you are working cool enough, but this seems to do the trick. I'll try and post pix tomorrow.
Carol

[crystalflipz]

Here is what came out of the kiln this morning.

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Supernova over Medium Amythest, dotted with Lauscha clear, reduced, heavily encased with Lauscha clear.

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These are a base of Supernova with Lauscha clear scrollwork melted in, reduced, encased with Lauscha clear.

All of these were worked very cool.

Carol

[chrissij]

Hi Carol; I'm wishing I knew where my camera was; I got about the same color you did, and I too used a cooler flame, and stringers that I pulled in a reduction flame. I didn't encase though...cause I suck at it.

[SuzyQ]

Wow, work it cool. I'll try it. Great colors Carol.

[beadlvr]

Ooo, such beautiful colors, and I'll try working it cool. Are there any Moretti colors that I should stay away from with this glass? This is my first Lauscha and I have nothing else. I've read Lauscha has a COE range of 102 to 105?

[Juliac]

Very nice!!! I am working too hot all I got was grey. There were some swirls though! I'll try the "cool" way. Thanks!

[susanlambert]

well am I the only person who hasn't gotten their glass yet?
Susan

[suzanne]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7831/cotmtest3ot3.jpg


these are the first two beads I made with it, and it sure looks good to me, just do not over reduce it. The top bead is encased and I was in such a hurry to get the bead done, that I grabbed a lauscha olive stringer instead of a clear one to twist...so I got little green dots in there , and lot's of blue whisps. THe second one is clear, supernova and clear stringers, hard to photograph but I got a nice blue-coppergreen color out of it.
The weird thing is when you look at the rods they are fabulously purple, and when you look through the finished bead, it turned into a smoke brown transparant underneath the blue-green top, really weird stuff

Suzanne

[GinnyHampton]

Do we have a "pulling my hair out" smiley??

<sigh>

[cghipp]

well am I the only person who hasn't gotten their glass yet?
SusanNo, I haven't gotten mine either. Maybe I'll just pick some up in the swap shop instead. :roll:

Courtney

[beadlvr]

I played a little bit to see if I could get it to do anything. The next time I will try a darker base - these were transparent bases with Supernova stringer swirled on and encased. I had previously (with the Double Helix glasses) been turning my propane up to reduce but I used Carol's suggestion with turning down the oxy and working cool (mini-CC and concentrator) and it was much easier to get something to happen. These were hard to photograph but there are blues and purples.

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[Gardengirl]

If anyone can, please PM me with what color this glass is when you get it??!
I recieved mine today.
I was kinda surprised that there was nothing with the glass - no info sheet, not even the name scrawled onto a piece of paper.
Haven't played at all - may make my way to my studio later and play, but mine looked NOTHING like the R4 glass - more like a "Glassdaddy" color.

[crystalflipz]

Kristen,
The Supernova looks like a deep violet-purple on the rod - it does not look like any of the other silver colors I've seen so far. Just remember to work it really cool, and expect it to take longer to make your basic bead. I keep my glass really stiff when I wind it on the mandrel, and then turn the Oxy down to create your reduction flame - you don't want to turn the Propane up as it will add more heat.
Hope this helps,
Carol

[sadiesmom]

more like a "Glassdaddy" color.

That's exactly what I thought when I looked through a rod!

Here are my pictures... I'm on a hot head, and will be experimenting a bit more, when the weather isn't sooo dang cold. Tomorrow it's supposed to be in the 40s!! Maybe I'll try it tomorrow.

Pulled stringer at rod base with flash..
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Pulled stringer at rod without flash... (same pull as above)
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flower petals before finding out it is a silver based glass..
the other beads after finding out it is a silver based glass...
bead on left, solely supernova stringer wrapped until bead sized...
bead on right, vetrofond black with supernova.
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[crystalflipz]

Here is some of what came out of my kiln this afternoon. I'm working with the Supernova so cool that it just glows and stays really stiff - it's a good lesson in being patient and letting the glass flow, one good tug and the bead release comes loose from the mandrel. Base color - most of these are medium amythest, Supernova as rod or stringer then melt in keeping the glass just glowing. I work behind a didymium shield and I have found that I can see a purplish flame with any of the silver glasses, which I assume is some of the silver burning off. As long as I don't see this purple flare, I'm usually OK. I turn up the oxy and propane for more heat when encasing, but try to be careful to just let the heat touch the encasing rod - otherwise I get muddy patches. I try and keep the flame fairly cool while I'm flame polishing.
I'm not setting myself up as an expert on this stuff by any means, but I've managed to get some fairly decent results this way, and wanted to pass this along.
The four spacers are a medium amythest base, Supernova stringer melted in, encased with Lauscha clear - I think these look a lot like Boro.
The straight-sided lentil is clear base with silver dichro encased with Supernova, then the whole thing encased in Lauscha clear. The sparkle from the dichro does show up "in person". The oblong bead is Moretti electric yellow striker encased with Supernova, plunged dots spot encased with Lauscha clear, then the whole thing encased with Lauscha clear.
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Hope this info helps some folks.
Carol

[Gardengirl]

Okay, here is what I came up with after playing 2 nights ago......
I followed the tips provided in this thread as well as playing with some of the methods used to strike the R4 glasses.
Great tips, Crystal! Thanks for providing such great information :)
What I cannot tell you is which technique made the colors come out becauseI used all on the 2 beads. I know, stupid.....lol! I just wanted it to work!
I plan on doing more testing with it and striking one bead one way, and one another way, etc...you get it.
I'll let you know what I come up with.
Pretty cool reactions in these first ones, though.

The first, small one - photographed laying on my bed in the sun - so it appears lopsided, but isn't - seems to be the only way to see the color on that one is to put it in direct strong light. Otherwise it just looks black! That one is a small base of Supernova, struck (I swear I spent 40 min playing with that little tiny thing!!!! All spent trying to coax the color out - which you don't really see until you encase, and even then you can't tell what you have until you pull it out of the kiln) - ckear stringer decorating btw

Second - a galaxy bicone from me. Some cool reactions here, but a lot appears to center around where I placed the silver. I only placed it sporadically around the bead, but the most intense colors seem to come from the fuming reaction from the silver I think. Still pretty cool I guess.

I'm posting quite a few pics I think. Some were taken in direct sunlight, and some taken just outside of the direct sunlight. Just to show you how it looks different.
If I can coax colors out of this, I KNOW you all can. I'm reaction glass stupid and it just takes a bit of patience!!! I also placed it on a base of lt. transparent green and it didn't do ONE THING. Think base glass has something to do with it??

[VivianLampwork]

Kristen, that bicone is so pretty. Did you place silver foil under the supernova?

[Gardengirl]

Sadie's Mom -
Wow, very cool about the striking rods - that's interesting! I'll have to play with that some more.
Crystal - the first ones look like Boro! Very cool!!!

I think putting all of our brains together has been fantastic! Sharing your results and techniqes has been very generous - thank you!

[Gardengirl]

Aw....Thanks Vivian -
I placed silver foil on top of the Supernova in small places around th bead and burned it in. See in the 2'nd picture, where there is that dense silvery color? That's where the silver is. The teal - there's no silver there - that's the supernova.
Both beads are encased, too. That seems to bring out the color too!

[Gardengirl]

I wonder too if you have to use Lauscha clear to get those effects...

Just wanted to say that I used Vetrofond Clear to encase.
Lauscha clear + silver = disaster for me. It seems like it doesn't like it and cracks every single time I use it together.

[Anastasia]

Hi!

I didn´t have a lot of time to play with it...this is one of my first (and only so far ) attempts to get color: Supernova base, wrapped in silver foil and dotted with Lauscha clear. The little spots are tiny silver dots spread all over the bead...looks pretty cool:

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Anastasia

[crystalflipz]

Kristen,
That bicone is cool! I love the different colors you pulled out. I think you may be right about the base color affecting the colors of the Supernova. So far I've pretty much stuck to purple, but have played a bit with reds and yellows and get some pretty neat colors from those. I found the same thing, that a lot of your color does not show up until you encase, so if you keep striking until you get lots of color and then encase, it ends up looking pretty burned out.
Carol

[crystalflipz]

Anastasia,
Neat reaction with the silver! Are you using silver foil or silver leaf?

Carol

[Anastasia]

That was silver foil and silver leaf...lol...both...
Since I had the idea while making the bead...so I just took what I could grab with one hand only...

Anastasia

[crystalflipz]

Has anyone else had problems with using Supernova over opaque glass and then encasing? I've used it with Red Roof Tile, Lauscha Hawiian Purple, and CIM Rose Quartz, and have gotten cracks each time. I have not had any cracks with transparent glass as my base.
Carol

[McDuck]

Well I tried it day before last and i got crap. Couldnt get anymore of a reducing flame then I was using and still nada, zippo, zip. This is going in to the garage for sale this week. I certainly hope they dont try to give me another silver color or i am out of this. I was hoping for some real COLORS. argh.

[SparklingRoses]

Carol I had a strange thing happen with cracks, I put a few the first few of them I did in the blanket to cool instead of the kiln and they all cracked when I cleaned them. I didn't have any problems with cracks from the ones in the kiln. I wanted to try it again from the blanket, but I just havent gotten back to the torch yet.

I did get some cool colors tho, I'm on a mini cc, by turning down the oxy, after I was done shaping the bead. I'll share some pictures later this week.
I think this color is cool, but I'm with you Mary, I'd much rather have a regular color next time around.

Rose

[Gardengirl]

I have to say that I was a bit dissapointed when I heard what kind of glass it is too. I was hoping for a "color" color too, but I guess that's part of this. I'm thinking that this may be the "testing lab" for Lauscha?? So I guess that there's drawbacks and advantages I guess. If you're paying for "mystery glass", that's what you're going to get - good and bad. I've basically told myself that because I wouldn't have run out and purchased this glass if I had $40 bucks to spend.
On the other hand, I guess it's cool that we also are privvy to this brand new - super sought after glass (only sought after because it's new and silver). I'm jumping on it and selling that bicone tonight on JB. Some collector or designer may be thrilled to own a new color for their collections. We'll see.
Those of you frustrated with it, don't give up - really, like I said before.... if I can get colors out of it, then I'm confident that all of you can. It just requires a bit of patience. Plus, someone may accidentally find some super easy trick to make this glass do its stuff . Don't be so quick to get rid of it. When it works, it's really gorgeous!! And, it's the first batch ever - that's kinda cool :)
Thanks to you Marcie, for putting this all together BTW. I think it's really cool! :)

[Pat]

Well I still haven't received my glass!! And I've emailed Marci 2-3 times about it and haven't gotten an anwser. With all the trouble and problems with this and for how little color you are getting. I would just as soon get my money returned because I'm having great luck with R4 and DH glasses and don't need anymore finicky glass......

[misfit]

Having also e-mailed and pm'd marcie with no responce, I'm getting ready to give up on the whole project. The lack of responce just seems like maybe its a bit much to handle. Thats okay, it was a great idea. As always great ideas don't always work as planned. I do Honestly have to admitt I've been having e-mail proplems with my main account- but I asked that alternatives like PM's be used and still have had no responce. <shrug> oh well. I'd have liked to try a bit of this glass. Seems likely that some will be for sale some where along the line...

A.

Heard back today- so evidently the lag time on communication is a bit more than we are used to. However in this culture of instant gradification anytime might hit that mark. ;)

[jrandrup]

Please don't get too discouraged. According to Marcie's posts on the Lauscha Color of the Month thread, she's got some kinks worked out for shipping the next color. There is always a learning curve when starting something completely new like this. I would give it another month at least.

Personally, I love the silver reactive glass. I fell in love with the Double Helix glass, and have gotten great colors using the directions on their web site. I used the same technique on Supernova and got wonderful results. (I'll post pictures when I can.)

I was very happily surprised at how much the color variations intensified after kiln annealing. Plus the fact of $35 vs $100 per pound, well, that's VERY appealing!

Don't get me wrong, I also love color colors, beautiful colors that stay the same on the bead as it looks in the rod. I just love glass.

The way I see it, all these new colors are forcing me to push the envelope, step out of my comfort zone, and expand my skills.

I'm giving Marcie the benefit of the doubt that the next monthly shipment will be much smoother with all the boxes going out on the same day.

[kandice]

Well, now that Color of the Month thread is gone. I'm really confused.

[Kevan]

If any of you want to sell your stash of this I think you should do it.


I'm happy to take it off your hands.

[jrandrup]

Well, now that Color of the Month thread is gone. I'm really confused.

It's back. I wasn't aware it was gone. I looked at it yesterday morning, then checked it out just now when I read your post, Kandice. Maybe it got pulled temporarily because of the sniping? Who knows. Anyway, it's there now.

You know, you can use SuperNova even without reducing it. It's still a deep purple. I've attached pictures showing it this way. I made a twisty of SuperNova and Lauscha MilkyWay, and another twisty of Lauscha transparent red and translucent white (don't know the real names, sorry). For the beads, I made the ends of pure Supernova, then added transparent white and the twisties in the center.

I apologize the pictures aren't terribly clear. The beads are still on the mandrels, but they had already been annealed. I'll post more pictures of the reduced and non-reduced color of the month as soon as I take the pictures.

[jrandrup]

hmmm...the pics are kind of small. Let me try posting them again.

[jrandrup]

I have an idea for anyone lives close to the Ocean City, MD area. Would anyone from the club like to come by and have a mini open torch session with Superova?

I have Supernova, and I've been able to coax a range of blues from the purple glass, as well as keeping it purple. Of course, there are pictures of wonderful beads already posted here. I see there are a lot of things I can learn, too.


This would be a great way to brainstorm, play with the glass, or even just see it in motion if you haven't received yours yet.

Anyone interested? PM me and we'll get the the details firmed up.

[firelady]

http://web.mac.com/marciedavis/iWeb/Lauscha/Color%20of%20the%20Month%20Club.html

Yes, it's a deep dark secret! Not really, the secret is pretty much out. But since not all members have their glass yet, we wanted to protect their "ooo, ahh" surprise......


How did you get yours? I paid months ago and I don't seem to have the Lauscha page bookmarked. I was wondering why I haven't heard anything.

Thanks,
Patti

Edited to say: I noticed the link above, but it doesn't say if this color is shipping or not? Is this the 1st color for the club? And why does it seem to be such a deep dark secret?

[firelady]

Beautiful work!

[jrandrup]

Thank you for the compliment! These were just some down and dirty test beads. I've made other beads with this glass, but haven't yet taken pictures. My friends and beady buddies have ooh'd and aah'd over the color, though.

I really like this glass, and I love this help forum. This club makes it so much quicker and easier to get input from a lot of people about how to work 1 color at a time. I'm really looking forward to the other LCOTM's too!

[FordGirlGoneBad]

Hello JOY! Glad to see you here. Hopefully I'll see you Saturday at the ISGB meeting.:grin:

I played with this last night for a couple of hours and the only color I managed to have a good reaction on was dk. ivory -- it came out a beautiful turquois color. If you can excuse the wonky bead, I'll try and post a pic tonight after I get home from work.

I did my best in a "reducing" flame, but for some reason I'm attracted to the licking action of the oxygen and think I may have been a little too close to the yellow part of the flame. I'll try again tonight or tomorrow night and avoid the yellow portion and see how it comes out. If it doesn't work again then I'll put the glass in a corner until I figure out how to use it.:poke:

[jrandrup]

Hi Laurie!

I will definitely be there Saturday. How far away do you live from the meeting? Maybe we can get together and play with the color. PM me if you're interested.

Yes, I'd love to see your beads, and who cares if the bead is wonky. It's the color I'm interested in.

FYI - There is a site where you can post your experiences with this glass, or read what other people have done. It can be very helpful. It was posted in the Lauscha Color of the Month Thread. http://www.mistycherie.com/glassReview/

You create a user account (your LE name) and Marcie checks that you're a real club member, then will give you access and notify you via email.

Joy

[FordGirlGoneBad]

Thanks for the link - I just signed up.

I'm about an hour from Columbia, and in the opposite direction of OC. Right now I'm trying to find out if I need to take my son to his football game or if his dad is going to do it. Once I know for sure, I'll know if I can make the meeting. Hope to see you there...

back to your regularly scheduled thread...

[barclayb]

I love the plain purpleness of supernova in Joy's beads. Yummy! Looking forward to playing with my stash tomorrow.

[artwhim]

So far, I just can't seem to get it. I can get very limited color but nothing vibrant. Help! I strike OR and Kronos just fine. It originally took me a long time on Kronos but once I found my sweet spot I haven't had a problem since. I just can't seem to find my Supernova sweet spot. Tried all the various recommendations. Nothing happened worth showing. I work on a Lynx. Any Lynx users having luck? If so, would you mind sharing how? I'm not going to give up. Just currently frustrated with myself for not figuring it out.
Kathy

[jrandrup]

Do not fear the plain purpleness of SuperNova. :devang:

As promised, here are some pics of more beads:

The first one is Supernova reduced. I didn't see the color changes, so I added some frit to it, then encased with Lauscha clear, then added millefiore I made with Supernova as the center, then encased with Lauscha clear again. After I annealed it, the reduced Supernova at the core popped with various colors.

The 2nd is a pic of the millefiori I made with Supernova in the center, not reduced. Lovely purple!

The 3rd is Supernova over Moretti white, no reducing. Notice the soft color, and how it sinks into the white, creating muted edges.

The next was my very first test bead reducing Supernova. It looked all muddy until I took it out of the kiln. I actually let it cool overnight before I put it in the kiln, then the colors just popped. The picture doesn't do it justice. There are so many colors and sharper contrast all through it.

The final pic is a free form where I spot reduced Supernova, then encased it in Lauscha clear, then added dots of Moretti Sky Blue. The dots in the 4 corners are the sky blue, all the rest of the colors are from the Supernova. Again, the colors did not pop until I annealed the bead.

Oh, by the way, I use a Nortel Minor Burner, and when I reduce, I have like a 3" candle, and flash the bead through the yellow part of the flame 5 or 6 times, then let cool a little, pick another spot, and do it again. Then I'll turn up the oxygena and heat small spots on the bead to neutralize it. No real rhyme or reason. I could see a little color change when I took it out of the flame, but not nearly as much as when I annealed it.

The pictures do not do the colors of the beads justice. But this was a fun experiment, and I can't wait for the 2nd color!

[Gardengirl]

Loving all the results, everyone!
I think the unreduced color of this glass is gorgeous too - deep purple and it really looks nice on Bubblegum pink! (Made a bead for DD with those 2 on it)
I like listening to everyone's results..... like I said before, putting our heads together on this is the best way for everyone to figure it out the best they can! Goodness knows I wouldn't have been able to get it without Carol's posts.
Also, I just switched torches and still have to find my sweet spot on the new one too - the bicone was made on a Minor and now I have a Phirana. I'll see. Goin' to JC's this weekend and taking some with me. We'll see what we can all figure out there! :)
If something comes of it, I'll post results!

[FordGirlGoneBad]

Okay a funny for you...I sat down and decided I would try that reducing flame and see what colors I could get last evening. I played with one bead for about an hour trying to coax some color out of it (I had applied stringer on white opaque core). Anyway, after an hour of trying to get something I realized I was using black stringer, not Supernova...urgh! Back to the drawing board -- and where did I put those darn glasses?:oops:

[FordGirlGoneBad]

I forgot I promised a pic of what I've worked on so far...

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/FordGirlGoneBad/SuperNova.jpg

I don't have a pro photo set-up, and the colors are so very faint in the violet and black beads that the Supernova is hard to see -- even to the nake eye. But you can definitely see it on the ivory where I did Supernova stringer. The other two round beads only have hints of green, but mostly yucky gray. (Excuse the newby beads.)

Edit* - forgot to add that I hadn't annealed them yet. If they change, I'll post a new pic.

[sislonski]

Here are some photos of comparisons of the reactive glasses. This is only to compare not to try and bring anyone down or ditz them.

Below I have a photo that I took of 5 beads. Each is labeled.
I used the same design technique the same glass with the exception that each bead was different reactive glass with it. Put in the same part of the flame, the same amount of time, EVERTHING, the same except the reactive glass.

As you can see I did get some color out of the Nova but not a heck of a lot compared to the Double Helix glass colors. But then maybe I just haven't found that magic touch with it yet.

I was able to get these colors out of DH glass within seconds. I tried everything to coax the color out of the Nova. What you see is the best I could get. The last bead was my first attempt the first bead was my second attempt at Nova.

In the second picture, I used a different technique. Although it brought the color out of the Nova, it didn't seem to like the technique as nice as much as the OR did.

[StLouisBiker]

Marcie, my glass came today. Thank you! I didn't have time to try it but hope to this weekend.

[Tink]

The Supernova looks incredible when blown, too...

[kandice]

I got my glass today - YEY!! The rods are quite a lovely dark purple transparent. I think I might try my hardest to keep that color rather than reduce it to get effects. I am hoping to have some time to play with the glass this weekend.

[Reenie]

I can't believe some of the gorgeous colors everyone is getting with the supernova glass It's 3 am and I'm still up and was ready for bed but now you've all inspired me to go make just one little bead. On a hothead it may take an hour but I haven't seen anyone post any made on a hothead yet.
Sounds like some are finally getting results so I guess it just takes ppp and patience and of course experimenting to get it to do what you want to do.
And of course the price is much better than the $100 a pound stuff.
Okay off to make a bead....Pray I don't fall asleep in the flame!
Irene

[dkaylu]

I got my glass yesterday - thanks Marie!

[madelyn1]

I got my glass today -- thanks, Marcie!

Thanks to everyone sharing techniques and pictures; I will try my luck this weekend!

Shirley

[Dana L]

:pout: I want my glass too :pout: [-o<

[bjcohan]

Mine just arrived and I can't wait to make it do tricks.

Thanks, Marcie!

Barb

[dla]

I haven't read through all the posts here but wanted to add what I was able to do with the supernova. No other glass used at all - supernova only. Some pretty blues and greens. Alas, it stuck to the mandrel so pardon that ! lol ! Anyway, it's quite pretty. Used almost no oxygen.
Debbie A.
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[crystalflipz]

Cool colors Debbie! What kind of a torch are you working on?
Carol

[dla]

Carol, I'm pretty sure it was my Minor since i just got my Piranah back from repair. And I'm also pretty sure it was my now needing repair oxycon. lol ! I really was quite surprised at the lovely colors as I have problems working the double helix glass. Go figure...........lol !
Debbie

[Soupy]

Marcie, my glass was on the front porch when I got home yesterday. Thanks you SO much for sending out a second time! If the first batch shows up. I'll be sure to let you know.

[Anastasia]

Hmmm...everybody was talking about working the glass very cool so far...
I just gave it a second try...and actually didn´t plan to reduce it, since I love that dark purple and wanted a purple background...so I didn´t care whether I work it cool...
I used it as a base for a focal, over ivory, and while adding 3 layers of florals and Lauscha clear, I just didn´t pay attention...and even worked it quite hot...and with lots of oxygen, since I needed a more stable flame for the flowers. So I was totally surprised to see blues and greens show up all of a sudden...even on the hot bead those were the most intensive I ever got...
It´s in the kiln now...I´m totally excited to see how those colors look when cool.
(I hope it´s still blue and green and turquoise then....lol)


Anastasia

[SuzyQ]

That is encouraging! I hate to work cool. :)

[Anastasia]

And it worked;-)....I don´t like to work cool, too...especially past midnight, hehe...
Will see when I can take a picture today...dark and grey outside....ughhh...

Anastasia

[Gardengirl]

Anastasia - I found some interesting things too when I cooked the snot out of the glass. I didn't get any grey scum that everyone is talking about, but where the outer atmospheres of a really slightly higher reduction flame (only really a tiny bit more than a neutral), I got some amazing blues with it! It didn't strike in the middle, but did on either end of the bead. I've been trying to mess around with things in that atmosphere and I've gotten some cool outcomes, but I haven't had the time to photograph anything yet.
I also get a lot better reactions when I pair the glass with silver - I think the reactions of the 2 silvers help it along.
Maybe what you did differently is the "magic button"? Usually the coolest things that glass does is found out by accident, right? Maybe we just need to NOT want it to strike? lol :)

[Anastasia]

Here´s the picture I promised.
Unfortunately I cooked the bead too bad...and messed up some petals...but not the supernova. It´s even brighter in person...I took that picture in really bad light.
I don´t remember what I did and where in the flame I worked...since it was past midnight, my spine was sore, I was tired and all I wanted was to finish the darn bead...lol
But I think we´re on the right path here...you can cook that stuff:

http://www.anastasiabeads.de/bilder/nova.jpg

About not wanting to strike it, hmmm...dunno...I´ve almost finished a set in which I used supernova as a base...and I wanted it to stay dark purple...and it did.
I think it is
a)the base color...probably light amethyst and ivory work best...
b)you have to encase it with Lauscha clear before you cook it.

I´m gonna make some more tests once I have time..unfortunately that won´t be tomorrow.

Good night
(midnight here)
Anastasia

[cghipp]

That's good news for me, because my modus operandi is to fry the crap out of everything! Gorgeous colors, Anastasia.

Courtney

[SuzyQ]

Alrighty! I'm cooking the snot out of my glass tomorrow, anyone else? lol

[xtweeksx]

I love this glass. Ive been using it as a base colour, presses I think can help bring colour out a little....Ive been getting all shades of blue and green to pale yellows and cream.. even a hint of purple/pink sometimes.

Ive tried all ways when metling, slow to fast....... depends what effect you want. When using in a press I cook it...... it tends to keep blues if you dont use too much heat afterwards or green can over power it.

I like it on hollows..... beautiful greens, teals etc...

No photos Im afraid, I dont have a camera..:cry:

xtweeksx

PS cook it to long and hard and all you get is browns/yellows with a hint of green etc Still nice tho!

PPS I use a HH

[Carolyn M]

Still waiting for mine :sad:

I am so late for the party!

[Maryse]

I just read on the german lampworkers forum tha there are already sellers promoting the supernova glass and taking preorders; they will ship the glass on november 30:shock: So we don't have that much time to be alone to play with it. I always thought the club exclusitiy would last longer...

[firelady]

We're dialing Lauscha right now to look into this. I don't like it either.
Although they promised us 3 months. They shipped Supernova from Lauscha on August 22nd. November 30th is indeed 3 months. So technically they're not "wrong".
Since Lauscha feels that this is the coolest color they've created in 5 years, there were a number of sellers who were Really Upset that we got to have the color first. I don't blame them! But it Was created for us. heh heh!

So this particular color is a big deal worldwide, and everybody is hot to get their hands on it and waiting impatiently for their ability to sell.

For some Club Colors, we are buying the entire production run. When that happens, this phenomenon can't occur. When we have all that was made, then our exclusivity is safe for quite some time.

But for Supernova, they made more than what we could buy. They did offer it all to us, but it was way too scary to be responsible for an invoice That Big.

We ordered only 200 pounds more than the club could use. This was to be used for re-orders from club members.

As time goes one and we see how many "extra" pounds club members reorder, we can gauge our extra volume accordingly. But for Supernova, and a new endeavor, 500 extra pounds of glass was more than we were willing to risk.....

*************
They didn't answer; the factory is closed, it's after 8PM in Germany (sometimes they DO work late, but not tonight I guess...) Already emailed our contact about this. Let's see what he has to say. I'd like it if exclusivity was calculated from when the glass arrives in the US, not from when it was shipped. That might not be too much to ask.....

[Deb Hopeful Journeys]

We're dialing Lauscha right now to look into this. I don't like it either.
Although they promised us 3 months. They shipped Supernova from Lauscha on August 22nd. November 30th is indeed 3 months. So technically they're not "wrong".
Since Lauscha feels that this is the coolest color they've created in 5 years, there were a number of sellers who were Really Upset that we got to have the color first. I don't blame them! But it Was created for us. heh heh!

So this particular color is a big deal worldwide, and everybody is hot to get their hands on it and waiting impatiently for their ability to sell.

For some Club Colors, we are buying the entire production run. When that happens, this phenomenon can't occur. When we have all that was made, then our exclusivity is safe for quite some time.

But for Supernova, they made more than what we could buy. They did offer it all to us, but it was way too scary to be responsible for an invoice That Big.

We ordered only 200 pounds more than the club could use. This was to be used for re-orders from club members.

As time goes one and we see how many "extra" pounds club members reorder, we can gauge our extra volume accordingly. But for Supernova, and a new endeavor, 500 extra pounds of glass was more than we were willing to risk.....

*************
They didn't answer; the factory is closed, it's after 8PM in Germany (sometimes they DO work late, but not tonight I guess...) Already emailed our contact about this. Let's see what he has to say. I'd like it if exclusivity was calculated from when the glass arrives in the US, not from when it was shipped. That might not be too much to ask.....


Just a comment from me. Maybe they would consider a lower price on the glass to club members. We are technically testers for new glass. But then again, maybe Lausha doesn't consider it so.

Especially if they are going to sell the left overs and able to recoupe some of the money on the small run.

Maybe you could also discuss the option for the 3 month timeframe to start once it arrives at your doorstep?

Just a thought.

[DebbieL]

I received mine yesterday and had a quick play with it. I went halves with a friend so I sent her the thicker rods and kept the thinner ones for myself as I'm on a HH, but I was really surprised at how easily it melts. No pics yet, got a bit more reading and experimenting to do first.
Thanks Marcie from a happy gal down under. :happy:

[kandice]

I've tried and tried - and I just don't like this glass. Any club members want to buy mine?

[misfit]

mine arrived. I've tried every thing I've seen that worked for others. I've learned how to make grey-green mud that looks frozen under scummy Ice. If I hold it really close to a blue light bulb I start to think I might see a color other than bread mold green. I don't think I like this glass at all. the bits are in my kiln now, its cooled off enough to know the results just are not pretty. Cook it its ugly, work it cool its ugly, lots of reduction its ugly, slight reduction its ugly. All I got was ugly. even the chill it trick it turned out ugly. <shrug> spent the entire morning playing with it and am just thinking my results are a prize not worth the race at this point. <sigh>

well they're out of the kiln, the grey is stronger than the ugly green I had been seeing- so I guess my results were all mold greyish. not worth a great deal to me. the one I tried as a base its self is a super dark greyish - looks brownish purple when held up to the light. Wasn't woth the effort either. Maybe something else I'll try will work, but I'm not in a hurry to spend lots of time on it.

[Ms.Giggles]

My glass arrived today! Of course I won't have a chance to even torch for awhile but at least it is here!

[VivianLampwork]

I don't like it either. I've played with all the tricks & managed to get a little color, but nothing spectacular. It really seems to take too much effort to get any color & the only decent colors I've seen were using it over silver foil.

[Three Muses Glass]

This is just a simple hollow drizzled with iris amber gold. It got reduced twice; once pretty quickly to pop the redux stringer, cooled a bit and reduced more. It was just a small redux flame, nothing big. I can't take a good pic to save my skin but it's blue/purple/shades of cream. Held up to light the glass looks brownish amber/purple. I didn't know about the secret when I did this one, I was hoping for a nice purple hollow with gold on it so it was a surprise.:lol:
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1620/1158394/8866406/191484215.jpg

[Ms.Giggles]

Rebecca that is a really pretty bead.

[Cindy2]

Rebecca - you've got some great color out the glass! Pretty!

I've had mine for awhile and just got to play with it yesterday. Really lackluster results - but I'm not giving up yet. I ruined alot of Kronos, OR, Picasso, Monet glass figuring out how to work the glass.

I tried the Doublehelix trick of melting and initial winding in a slightly reducing flame. Didn't work.

I turned up the propane and worked it in a more reducing flame - didn't work.
(this technique worked beautifully with the R4 glass though! :-)

I made a bead and then cooked the snot out of it - got rid of the snot and left a brown bead!

I made a bead and then reduced in a propane rich flame - brown bead!

Today, I'm trying Anastasia's method of trying to keep it purple! LOL!

Like I said, I'm not giving up at this point - I had a pretty steep learning curve with the Doublehelix but once I got it, it was worth it.

Keep posting what you've done with the glass and we'll figure it out!

Cindy

[rosemarie23]

I usually work with a small, totally non-reducing flame. The Supernova stays purple for me in that flame.
I also tried a small reducing flame... it stayed purple.
I tried a large reducing flame... purple.
Ok, it is a nice enough purple, but it stays purple.

I encased it with Vetrofond clear and it turned brown. Hey! At least I got a reaction.

[Carolyn M]

Well this glass sounds like almost more trouble than it's worth. I wouldn't know because I still don't have mine.

I'm hoping it's being sent by courier, so it'll arrive in the next few days...........

[misfit]

I think if you like mold grey/green and sludgy colors its priceless... if you want an easy to use silver color that gives results like Gia its just not that. The purple color is lovely, but I've not managed to get a good purple out of it after it hits my flame. I do get a weird brownish. which could be useful if I ever decide I simply have to have an exspensive varigated brownish violet for something... <shrug> I'd say give it a try, you may be one who can get pleasing results, and it would be a shame not to know. Of course if you want sludgy colors this is definately the glass for you!! So easy to get results that look like slime frozen under scummy ice- wonderful effects if one likes that sort of thing...

[beadstillmyheart]

I think if you like mold grey/green and sludgy colors its priceless... if you want an easy to use silver color that gives results like Gia its just not that. The purple color is lovely, but I've not managed to get a good purple out of it after it hits my flame. I do get a weird brownish. which could be useful if I ever decide I simply have to have an exspensive varigated brownish violet for something... <shrug> I'd say give it a try, you may be one who can get pleasing results, and it would be a shame not to know. Of course if you want sludgy colors this is definately the glass for you!! So easy to get results that look like slime frozen under scummy ice- wonderful effects if one likes that sort of thing...


Maybe we could make a series of "Slush Turtle" beads this winter.

[misfit]

Maybe we could make a series of "Slush Turtle" beads this winter.

My results are just so different from anything else I've ever seen and just remind me so much of all sorts of organic things- like swamps, or mold that I'm sure someone somewhere could do something stunning with what I'm getting. Its just not me. ;) Maybe its you Kendra!! I imagine a sculpted turtle wearing a cap and scarf over my frozen slime effect as a base, would be adorable... ;)

[beadstillmyheart]

My results are just so different from anything else I've ever seen and just remind me so much of all sorts of organic things- like swamps, or mold that I'm sure someone somewhere could do something stunning with what I'm getting. Its just not me. ;) Maybe its you Kendra!! I imagine a sculpted turtle wearing a cap and scarf over my frozen slime effect as a base, would be adorable... ;)


Uh, no. Not me.

You know what I'm gonna make with mine? Swizzle sticks! very very easy Christmas gifts. Cut to desired length, heat just the end to get a gather on one end....then heat the other end and mash it with parallel mashers. VOILA!!!

[misfit]

Uh, no. Not me.

You know what I'm gonna make with mine? Swizzle sticks! very very easy Christmas gifts. Cut to desired length, heat just the end to get a gather on one end....then heat the other end and mash it with parallel mashers. VOILA!!!


I'd do that if I could get mine to stay purple- but a swizel stick with mold green ends? Who would want that? Just imagine in sitting in a drink! Mine is going into a geo box so every one can grab one to try. Maybe some of them can do something wonderful with it... I'm hoping that is the case. I'm just not able to come up with anything I really think mold green will work well for. Although I'm certain there are people out there this glass is for, I'm not one of them. I'm honestly disapointed a bit as when suggestions were asked for no-one mentioned/asked for a silver reactive glass, and they just haven't managed a good one. Not sure why club members were asked in the first place if they are not even going to try one of our requests before zooming off into the wild new territories of difficult to use. <shrug> oh well thats what we get for being the equivelent of a test market. Lets hope they do lovely colors for us from here on out. :D

[Cindy2]

So I've gone back in this thread and found some of the tips and found that there's a club member review site? Was an email sent to all the club members and I overlooked it? Seems a review site would warrant a mass mailing to the members.

Cindy

[FordGirlGoneBad]

I've been working it like any other color in a neutral flame, then I turn off my oxygen completely and blast the propane. I slip the bead in and out of the reducing flame and I'm getting some great colors - lots of greens and blues. I'm a newby at this, and didn't know that I could turn the oxygen completely off until I watched the Corina stringer DVD -- I tried her reducing tips on my Supernova and bam! there the color was. I haven't put them in the kiln yet, so it could change, lol.:oops:

[misfit]

Laurie, What torch are you working on? if I turn the O2 down too much on mine I ussually get a sooty mess. I suppose I can try turning to O2 off the results couldn't be uglier than what I'm getting now.

edit: btw what fuel are you using?

[Renee]

Is anybody using a triple mix torch???

[FordGirlGoneBad]

Laurie, What torch are you working on? if I turn the O2 down too much on mine I ussually get a sooty mess. I suppose I can try turning to O2 off the results couldn't be uglier than what I'm getting now.

edit: btw what fuel are you using?

I'm working on a Nortel minor. When I turn off the O2, I turn the propane up so there is about a 1 1/2 foot flame and just pass the bead through the upper portion of the flame -- about 1 - 1 1/4 foot.

Hope this helps.

[Lizabeads]

I'm working on a Nortel minor. When I turn off the O2, I turn the propane up so there is about a 1 1/2 foot flame and just pass the bead through the upper portion of the flame -- about 1 - 1 1/4 foot.

Hope this helps.
Post a pic please !!!!!!:waving:

[FordGirlGoneBad]

I'm sorry -- I wish I could post a pic, but the b/f has my digital camera to take pictures of a truck that he's going to sell. URGH...most times it just sits in the corner waiting begging for me to take pics...:confused:

I should have the camera back over the weekend -- I'll take pics then...anyone else who knows what I'm talking about, please feel free to post pics.

[crystalflipz]

I posted a pix of this in the gallery this morning, but thought I would post it here too, along with what I found out along the way. This was my first attempt at anything off-mandrel, and it turned out WAY bigger than I ever anticipated. It's about 28mm x 30mm,excluding the bail, and about 8mm thick. Along the way, it cracked, shattered, got melted back together, and generally had the snot cooked out of it.
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Anyhow, here is what I did to keep the purple color and get the silver reaction. I initially melted the Supernova in a moderately cool oxidizing (no yellow in the candles at all)flame working and shaping to get the amount of glass I wanted to work with - I've also used this flame to wrap the molten glass around the mandrel to form a bead. Once I had the basic shape, I turned the flame way way down until I had a small, cool, but bushy reduction flame. Working in this flame I really started to abuse the glass, pulling it, twisting it, swirling it around with a brass poker, until I had a bead with a really bumpy surface. From this flame I turned my oxy up and my propane down until I again had a fairly cool oxidizing flame and flashed the bead in the flame several times until I could see the colors come to the surface. I smoothed the glass out as best I could in a cool neutral flame, took the bead out of the flame and cranked up both the oxy and the propane to give me a fairly hot oxidizing flame. I used this oxidizing flame to encase the Supernova in Lauscha Ice Blue, put the bead back together when it shattered in 4 pieces because it got too cool, create the bail, and do everything else to finish this.
I think that it is the oxygen level in the flame that kept the purple color in the glass. The picture is not that great, but the base color of the pendant is the purple that you see on the unstruck rod of Supernova. Pinching and swirling the glass around in the cool reduction flame seems to be key, at least for me, in getting the glass to strike - I'm not sure why.
Sorry this got so long, but I tried to give a pretty thorough explanation of what I did to get the color.
Carol

[dichromary]

Yesterday was a good day after many unsuccessful sessions. I used a Lynx with 2 concentrators. To get the colors, I turn down the oxygen until I had a 1-1/2" yellow flame and made the bead in this flame right about the tip of the yellow. As the glass becomes smooth, I return to neutral flame to encase. Both beads cased with Lauscha clear. I have to see if I can do it again.47488474894749047491

[misfit]

the first two are the same mold/sludge green-gray I got. how did you get the blue out of the second two please?

[dichromary]

They were made in the same type of flame. So I don't know why one turn out blue and the other green-gray. I am experimenting with a hotter flame today and will post if beads turn out ok after annealing.

To me working this glass is almost like working with raku. The colors come and go.

[barclayb]

pretty colors!

[barclayb]

I got to play with my supernova for the first time this weekend and love the purple.

It has a cool reaction on Effetre periwinkle:

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[LAJ]

I've tried & I've tried to like this glass, but it's just not working for me. Anyone want to trade? Let me know what you have. I've used up most of 1 rod & melted the rest of that one onto one of the other rods, so basically it's 1 rod short of the lb. Let me know if you're interested. I'll be posting in the game section as well.

[jrandrup]

That is a cool effect with periwinkle. I'll have to remember to play with that combination! Thanks for posting.

[beadworkstudio]

I'd just like to say that I really like the surprise factor with Supernova, and I happen to like the green-amber-gray color I get out of it most of the time. I would be really disappointed if it was exactly like one of the silver glasses already available.

I noticed on the feedback form that you can choose between Supernova and Blutonium. Wonder what that means. Has anyone gotten the new color yet?

[artwhim]

My Blutonium came yesterday. Haven't played with it much yet but I think it's beautiful.

I love, love, love the Supernova. It's quirky, but that is what facinates me! Tonight I had to switch from propane to NG and a different torch. I was afraid the NG would react differently, but so far so good. Will know for sure when I check the kiln in the AM. Supernova reminds me of making soup without a recipe....you just have to test it and give it what you think it needs. Sorry I can't be more specific, but the way I treat it seems to change depending on the some unknown force. The moon or stars maybe?

Kathy

[Lizabeads]

What the heck is Blutonium and where did ya'll see this??? Link please !

[misfit]

yes please. Info, if you've seen the new color and don't want to tell everyone in fear of spoiling the surprise, please pm those of us who do want to know. I hate surprise. Not knowing before shipment has me ready to drop the club. I doubt I'll last the full year because it is getting harder with each shipment not to just pitch it in. GRRRRRRRR.

[beadworkstudio]

Sorry, I haven't actually see the glass yet--but soon I hope!

I signed up for the evaluation site here http://www.mistycherie.com/glassReview/ and the form lets you choose between Supernova and Blutonium. I've been searching the forums every day to see if someone has something to say about it!

[jrandrup]

I got my Blutonium too. Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to play with it yet because my arm was sprained in a hit & run accident 2 weeks ago. Soon, I hope! It is beautiful!

[Anastasia]

Oh gosh, Joy...I´m sorry!

Did you all receive your glass already?
:-(

Anastasia

[jrandrup]

Yes, I got my glass sometime last week. I don't know exactly when it came it, but I picked it up Saturday morning. I've been very lucky getting my colors early.

Thanks for the commiseration. The police did an excellent job and caught the guy (drunk). It could have been worse. I'll be glad if my car gets fixed before the really bad weather starts here. I'm just waiting on the parts.

But right now...I'm going home to play with my new color!

[Maryse]

I read about this color being shipped already, but I did not even get my invoice to pay for it...
Wonder if the other european memebrs got their glass already? Please let me know...
My emails to firelady don't get answered...
Greetings

[doesdoes]

Hello Maryse,

I'm from the Netherlands and I did not get my invoice/glass either. I think it will take a little more time :)
I'm not sure if anyone has color #4 yet :-? ????
Hoping it will not take to long, I love... :oops: I almost spilled the beans about the color.

[firelady]

I am just waiting for the confirmation of the shipping fee from our new Belgian point person. He had sent it to me, but when the computer crashed, that figure disappeared. Now if either of you has the email I sent to you several weeks ago specifying the exact shipping fee, just give me that figure, and the European invoices will go right out.....My "sent" mail file was destroyed, as were huge portions of my inbox, so those records are history. Either of you should have it in your inbox.....

Marcie

[doesdoes]

Marcie, I have pm'd you, but the answer is:
"Glass will ship to you via Belgian post, which will cost 8.80 Euros per shipment for up to 2 kilos.
For UK members, the price is £2.70 for first class."

Hope this is helpfull,

[glassworks]

thanks jenny, i have just arrived back in belgium after shipping a load of stuff in the uk for our uk members and friends!!.. marcie sent me a mail toady which explains why i thought she had dropped out of sight - man computers can make you life difficult!!..

cotm members who are close enough are welcome to collect from us, or we will ship any way they want!

[Lizabeads]

Are we close to invoice for #5 ???

[firelady]

yes, Yes, YES! It's always tricky....I don't want to invoice too soon, because I don't want my most wonderful members who pay right away to have to wait too long for their glass. But it typically takes about 3 weeks for the group as a whole to pay, which is kind of a vote for "early" invoicing, in order to be able to tally it all up (and not have to order 3 separate times like Caramello!). What's a girl to do!! (Rhetorical question...no answers please!)

And so, yes, invoicing is imminent, as is the assigning of member numbers.

[Soupy]

I don't really mind waiting so long after I've paid. Usually by the time the glass comes, I've forgotten I've paid and so it is a great treat. LOL

Ah yes, I MUST be suffering from Olds-hymers. That or "CRS"

[firelady]

Just a reminder/announcement. After my hard drive crash, when I went to add to my blog page, it treated me as if I was a new customer, making a brand new blog..... So I manually re-entered EVERYthing, and the blog goes on looking just like always, and all up to date.....

HOWever, when it published, the link is slightly different.
THEREFORE, make a note: NEW FIRELADY BLOG ADDRESS:
http://web.mac.com/marciedavis/iWeb/Lauscha%20Site/Firelady%27s%20Blog/Firelady%27s%20Blog.html

If you've "subscribed" to the old one, you should probably subscribe to this new one, as I don't think the new entries will automatically get to the old address.

And if you never did....go to the link and do so. If your browser supports RSS feeds, it will work for you. More and more do each day, and I know Internet Explorer does now....

For those who are unfamiliar with blogging, it's a contraction term combining "Web" and "Log"....like a diary of sorts. It's an easy place to publish news, insights and ideas.

I use it for all things "firelady", but OFFICIAL CLUB ANNOUNCEMENTS can always be found there. I try to enter at least twice a week, although for the month or more that the computer crash ate, obviously there was nothing posted...

That's where you'll find new color announcements, sales, and just....everything. And it is my intention to become more and more active with it.

[firelady]

And if you go to the blog, look above at the pages listed, and click on Member's Photos. I want the world to see how talented you all are, and how the colors play out in action....

There are only a few photos up now. And what's cool is that you can click and play a slideshow.

I want it to be a nice chubby slideshow, so if you have images of your work in .jpg that ARE ALL LAUSCHA GLASS, please do send them to me at firelady@gate.net.

Oh, also, there are a couple of images up there without names. Those images arrived in my inbox, which died in the crash, and so my link to the members who submitted them no longer exists! If you see something of Yours up there without your name, stand up and identify yourself, and I'll attribute your work immediately!!!

Don't be shy. Send photos! Lauscha ONLY, please!!

[Soupy]

Marcie, does color #5 have a name? I love it, it is yummylicious! And SO easy to strike the color!

[glassworks]

as soon as we get the colour from the factory we will be bale to ship to the European members - marcie is working on that right now for us!!!

:grin: :hide:

[Lizabeads]

I also hope that no more information will be given out until those of us that paid in April... get ours... I'm very frustrated about this today. Usually I am the advocate on COM and try to down play frustration. but I'm not getting how people that paid a week or more after me have already got their glass when I also have the same amount tied up in a Pink Pack... that is 100.00 for me which is alot of money when you don't have a job. The shipping better reflect close to what I paid too.... with packaging taken into consideration... shit maybe it will be here tomorrow.

[BeadMaven]

as soon as we get the colour from the factory we will be bale to ship to the European members - marcie is working on that right now for us!!!

:grin: :hide:

I thought it was supposed to be in the states but this last week.

Why hasn't she updated anything?

The pink pack is my first real wait and I am not pleased about it.
No more paying waaaayyy upfront and then waiting with basically no communication as to what is going on.

This is not fun anymore.

[lunamoonshadow]

Didn't her blog say she was only shipping 25 packages & then "going away" until the 19th? Basically leaving all your glass *unshipped* until she returned?

[BeadMaven]

Didn't her blog say she was only shipping 25 packages & then "going away" until the 19th? Basically leaving all your glass *unshipped* until she returned?

Are you kidding me?

Off to read that blog more thoroughly....well I could not find that info there Luna.

The blog hasn't been updated since May 2.

[firelady]

Finally! I'm back! This is my first day in the office since leaving for the GAS Conference on June 6th. And I see that you're getting restless waiting for your glass....I don't blame you! I hate waiting for glass myself....(especially because when I'm waiting for glass I know You're waiting too, which only makes it worse!)

It looks as if some of you may have missed the mailing I sent out on May 31st announcing that the glass was en route from Lauscha, and that I would be out of town for over a week at the GAS Conference. So check those spam filters every so often for club communications......Sometimes the mailings I send through "constant contact" get filtered out...

To update you: The glass arrived the day before I left. 20 boxes went out that day. These were all "special orders"....orders that included either Pink Packs, Purple Haze, or other packages that had special instructions, or were unusual in some way. There are a number of Pink Packs still to go out. And watch your mailboxes for a second lottery drawing. (Not all the notified members who are eligible are fans of pink, giving other members a second chance!)

Regarding the blog.....It was last updated on June 5th, announcing the day that the Pink Packs had arrived. However, inconvenient internet irregularities caused the blog to swallow itself up out in cyberspace sometime in May, and it had to be manually re-entered and republished. My webmaster has no explanation for this....and it was the second time since March I've had to do this, which was a major time gobbling pain..... Even today I notice that the "Firelady's Blog" hyperlink from firelady.com goes to the OLD blog, and not the newest version. So I'll notify my web person to fix that up right away if she can....

Color #5 is called MANDARIN. It's a shame a photo's up on the thread so soon....it's always tricky trying to keep that secret! Knowing that people wanted the glass SOONER rather than later, I'll put tutorials up on the site as they are completed. (Testers also got the glass just about ten days ago...waiting for them to test, write, and submit and then burn CD's to send would have only pushed back shipping longer. I just didn't think that would be a great idea....) Also, please note, that if you are of the mind to submit a tutorial with jpg.s ....please do! The more the merrier! I think we all benefit from the work of all of our members, and encourage tutorials, tips and tricks by the ton.....

Anyway, the glass was supposed to arrive two weeks before my departure, which would have had most of it out the door, perfect, before GAS....But life being what it is, it shows up while I'm zipping up my suitcase for a major conference....

Had I not shipped anything before I left, people would be frustrated that shipping hadn't begun.....
But beginning the shipping and then having to leave wasn't great either.

Sorry! But I do about 4 trade shows a year, and have at least 2 other trips as well. The shipments from Lauscha are scheduled around that, trying for a perfect world. But.....between the factory, Customs, and my freight forwarder, I'm not always in charge of what happens. (I Hate that!!! I'm sure you do as well...)

So that's the news for today. I need to unpack, I'm out of undies, I still have some of the glass in cartons that have yet to be opened, and I've been weighing out glass since I woke up today.

The glass typically takes 2 weeks for the vast majority to go out. There's always a few strays that take longer..

And that's the news for today.

M.

[Soupy]

Ack! I'm SO SORRY about the photo! I didn't know that not all the glass had been sent out. :oops:
It figures that the one time I share, I blow it. :doubt: :-# *sigh*

[Three Muses Glass]

I thought that pic was part of your signature Sue. LOL! Pretty!

[Soupy]

LOL
Thanks Rebecca. I'm wishing it WAS part of my sig and then it would have been okay.

[Three Muses Glass]

Somebody has to show first! Don't even worry about it.:-)

[BeadMaven]

I am glald you made it back but I never got the email you sent on the 31st about the conference and you are checked to pass my spam filter for instant delivery in my inbox..

I went back and checked the email I got from you after I emailed to ask about the pink pack.
I emailed you on May 30th and you replied right back that same day and said

The glass is expected to leave Lauscha tomorrow. That means I should have it in Miami sometime next week. I'll ship out in the two weeks following the glass's arrival.

You did not mention going anywhere so I thought by what you stated you would be shipping glass out between the 8th and the 22nd. Again, no mention in there about being OOT.

I like the new color though Sue, nice mistake ;) :lol:

[Lizabeads]

Ack! I'm SO SORRY about the photo! I didn't know that not all the glass had been sent out. :oops:
It figures that the one time I share, I blow it. :doubt: :-# *sigh*

There is probably still alot of people that haven't seen it yet. So you could take it off till later....
Even though I am one that wanted the surprise it is a very pretty bead...

[Hothead Beads]

Anybody else get their glass yet?

[BeadMaven]

I got a click and ship notification on the 19th and after tracking it this morning it hasn't been shipped.

[Magicfire]

I got a click-n-ship notification just now.

BTW, the shipping status often doesn't show anything for a while after it is shipped. They don't always scan packages when they are dropped off at the post office. It probably is on it's way to you.

I just wish I had gotten a pink pack! :( But I'm glad the glass is on it's way!

-Patti

[CO_Phantom]

I got nothing so far.

No notice saying it's been shipped. No glass. Nada.

I feel like I paid forever and a day ago...and was hoping it would get here before my move deadline of May 27th (which has changed, thank goodness, but it's been that long already..)

Yikes.

Me wants me glass. It looks like it's a gorgeous color and I can't wait to melt some!

-Amy

[Lizabeads]

Anybody else get their glass yet?

No, and this is my timeline which I don't get...

May 31st I received this email.
Color Number 5 Has Left Lauscha!!!
It's Flying to Miami Right NOW!

It should arrive in Miami early next week. It's gorgeous! It is accompanied by Purple Haze and the glass for the Pink Packs. So we'll be boxing and shipping like crazy.

Logistics: I'll be away at the GAS Conference from June 6-12. Rolf will be shipping while I'm gone, and we'll finish when I get back. I hate when glass arrives just as I'm leaving....it was due in much earlier. (Such is life in Lauscha....)

So what happened to Rolf shipping while she was gone? I received a notice of shipment on the 19th of June but now says it wasn't received till the 21st of June. Now in the past I have not received any notice until it is delivered. But this shows it left Miami at 1:30 am on the 21st. So I guess now it will be next week before I receive it. MAYBE Saturday. Remember now I paid on April 27th almost 90.00. I could have bought alot of Terra for that... I would really just like to know why I was told Rolf would be shipping and evidently was not. Someone should/could have been shipping. I understand conferences and shows, but there should be some sort of backup plan in these situations. To keep the masses happy! Just my two cents.. :sad:

[Lizabeads]

Oh yes, I would like to know who has received their glass...
Also, if special orders were shipped with the new glass why not hold out the new glass till everyones is ready to ship especially since the same amount of postage is charged for each glass. At least I paid the same amount for pink and the COM shipping but they are obviously being shipped together which is cheaper for Marcie but not for me. HUH???

[*Naos*]

Paid on April 30th. Still no glass. :(

At this rate, one month is going to have to be doubled up because we're not getting one color a month.

[GinnyHampton]

Hmmm, come to think of it I haven't gotten #5 yet . . . it sure looks pretty though!

[AKDesigns]

I give you all props for sticking with it this long!

[Lizabeads]

Paid on April 30th. Still no glass. :(

At this rate, one month is going to have to be doubled up because we're not getting one color a month.

At this rate I can't afford to double up another month and shouldn't be required to. Or even asked to. It's not our fault.

[Lizabeads]

Hmmm, come to think of it I haven't gotten #5 yet . . . it sure looks pretty though!

Well I'm going to be honest. I don't like seeing it before I get it. That is why I pay the price I do is for the surprise. So now I'm just a little pissed. When someone "accidently", "says they didn't know"... they can go and edit their post that has the so called surprise in it and take it out. Otherwise I begin to wonder if it's a mistake at all. JMHO

[Lizabeads]

I give you all props for sticking with it this long!

Thanks... "This Long" may be coming to an end for me.

[nklt0]

Liza,

I think you may have missed all the discussion about this club.

To give you an indication, I paid for 12 months in May 2006 and asked for refund in Jan 2007. Blutonium (colour #2) arrived in Australia in Jan 2007 after my request for refund. Marcie agreed to give me monthly refund till my account clears after I raised the issue in LE and TAM.

So far I only got 4 lb of glass and 3 refunds of 41.05 minus PP fee.

I'm still waiting to get glass and/or refund.

HTH
Nancy

[suzanne]

I know;)

[lunamoonshadow]

Liza,

I think you may have missed all the discussion about this club.

To give you an indication, I paid for 12 months in May 2006 and asked for refund in Jan 2007. Blutonium (colour #2) arrived in Australia in Jan 2007 after my request for refund. Marcie agreed to give me monthly refund till my account clears after I raised the issue in LE and TAM.

So far I only got 4 lb of glass and 3 refunds of 41.05 minus PP fee.

I'm still waiting to get glass and/or refund.

HTH
Nancy

WTF?? Why weren't you refunded for ALL THE UNSHIPPED MONTHS AT ONCE??? THAT'S INSANE!!! And it's costing YOU extra fees for every "individual" refund!

[BeadMaven]

I call this pushing someone's buttons....

I AGREE.

The rolling eyes is uncalled for but used because there is no real explanation for the discrepencies that have been said. Someone correct me if I am wrong but Reenie was the one taking up for Marcie when a ton of people got upset and dropped out of the club months back. So the :rolleyes: is all she can do to try and make someone who is upset look like they are the problem and try to discredit them.

In Elizabeth's email from Marcy it said she would be back in the 12th yet she posted here in the 18th saying she was getting ready to get back to work.

I tracked my package again this morning and it still says:
The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on June 21, 2007 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date. Delivery status information will be provided if / when available. Information, if available, is updated every evening. Please check again later.
I received that on the 19th.

Now if it shipped on the 19th I would have it today and from what another poster maybe I will. I'll post as soon as I get it but there a lot of other people who haven't said they got theirs either and IF Rolf was shipping all week while Marcie was gone then it just seems like there would be a lot more who would be saying they got their glass..

[rosemarie23]

I give you all props for sticking with it this long!
Yep.
I originally made the commitment to myself to get a year's worth of COM. That year was over in May. I didn't even bother with this color, because I knew that it would never arrive in May. It's a shame, because it looks like I might have actually LIKED this color.

[Soupy]

... So you could take it off till later....
:doubt: #-o ](*,)
You are right! I didn't even think of that. Thanks for mentioning it! It is gone.

[Lizabeads]

Well I didn't think I had missed anything... but I didn't know about your situation. I've been in it since the very first day but thank goodness I didn't have enough money to pay upfront. I didn't realize that those that wanted refunding had not been paid. What's up with that?? Why is that allowed??

Liza,

I think you may have missed all the discussion about this club.

To give you an indication, I paid for 12 months in May 2006 and asked for refund in Jan 2007. Blutonium (colour #2) arrived in Australia in Jan 2007 after my request for refund. Marcie agreed to give me monthly refund till my account clears after I raised the issue in LE and TAM.

So far I only got 4 lb of glass and 3 refunds of 41.05 minus PP fee.

I'm still waiting to get glass and/or refund.

HTH
Nancy

[AKDesigns]

To give you an indication, I paid for 12 months in May 2006 and asked for refund in Jan 2007. Blutonium (colour #2) arrived in Australia in Jan 2007 after my request for refund. Marcie agreed to give me monthly refund till my account clears after I raised the issue in LE and TAM.

So far I only got 4 lb of glass and 3 refunds of 41.05 minus PP fee.

I'm still waiting to get glass and/or refund.

HTH
Nancy

So how much money are you actually owed including refunding all those Paypal fees that you shouldn't have to pay?

Is anyone else in the same boat as you? Anyone else out there need refunds?

This sort of thing shouldn't be happening.

[Reenie]

Here's an update from Marcie.
unusual orders have been processed, and now we're ready to embark on shipping the standard, stuff-a-pound-in-the-box part of the membership. International orders have not been shipped.

Hope that helps
Irene

[firelady]

Are we having fun yet? Woah!
For those of you who are waiting for #5....36 boxes have already been shipped. I'm hoping 40 will go out over the weekend. Rolf got a "real job" back in January because the club was not enough to support the family, so this has been a one-woman show since then. He has agreed to help out with shipping over the weekend though.

I'm frustrated along with the rest of you that Lauscha has not been able to make us a color every 4 weeks as promised. However I'm grateful that the factory has given us such preferential treatment all the way around. As I've mentioned before, to have a European factory develop new colors for such a small group as ours, without ordering huge quantities, is unheard of.... But yes, time seems to pass differently in what was East Germany, and I've had to get used to is...it's a bit of a twilight zone....

Meanwhile, as I said, we are in the midst of shipping. If you have questions about your individual orders, please email me.

Marcie

[Renee]

Liza, I say we call a truce. What do you think?

[CorriDawn]

Liza and Renee. Both of you stop, I am tired of cleaning up your messes because you can't act like adults to each other. If I have to come back in to clean up then both of you will be on moderated today because I have other things I have to do.

[Renee]

Fine with me, and thanks!

[Lizabeads]

Ya know...sometimes the Mod's will take a thread off the forum when it gets out of control. Everyone is frustrated but they shouldn't have to go on the thread to get information and instead see an argument go back and forth.
Can you guys just take it into your PM's instead or just say, "Okay, Whatever" and move on????
Tempers flare when you're already upset at a situation and this just makes it worse.
Just my 2 cents as well.
Irene

:wink: Because I like you and because I'm through with the comments I wanted to respond to and because it's useless to talk to some people. There is useful information in this thread and I don't want it removed... lol I am going to ignore a certain someone.
FYI... I posted the email I got in response to an earlier message from Marcie about all of us being sent one. And people saying they hadn't gotten one. But one thing I don't understand is why I was told in mine that Rolf would be shipping out if he wasn't. Or why it was said he would but could'n't because he got a job in January. I'm confused about that. Honestly had I known that my money would be tied up for this long I wouldn't have paid for this trip.. trip because it isn't a month.. Also I pay the expensive price for it to be a surprise. I can go and pay other vendors 1/2 that and know what I'm getting. I like the idea of the element of surprise and up till now have been willing to pay for it. But not one time out of five have I gotten the surprise. Someone has always posted when they shouldn't. Oh well, live and learn.

[Lizabeads]

Nevermind

[BeadMaven]

Fine with me, and thanks!

thanks for what?

OH I get it.

ARRRGGGGG.......

[nklt0]

Well I didn't think I had missed anything... but I didn't know about your situation. I've been in it since the very first day but thank goodness I didn't have enough money to pay upfront. I didn't realize that those that wanted refunding had not been paid. What's up with that?? Why is that allowed??
Not a lot of people know about my situation since I always tried to resolve issues privately until I feel I've no other option. As for monthly refund, I wasn't given any choice. It was my suggestion, after the first refund, to get glass and money so I can get out of this quicker. However, even with monthly reminder from me, I'm not getting the refund monthly.

So how much money are you actually owed including refunding all those Paypal fees that you shouldn't have to pay?
$161.95
details of my account is $420 cash amount in the begining and $156.85 outstanding. This is after recieved 4 colours and 3 refunds of 41.05 which costed me $5.10 pp fee.

Nancy

[bead crazy]

You really should have got the money all at once. I am a bit upset that we pay for the glass and then it gets ordered. So it takes another 4 weeks to get it. The glass is not even on its way to Marcie until it is paid for. When I signed up I thought that when we got invoiced the glass was with Marcie but I have found out other wise. I am very close to dropping out myself and if I like the color order it later. I could be in the color of the month with Momkas for some boro. I have to say this has been very disappointing

[AKDesigns]

Not a lot of people know about my situation since I always tried to resolve issues privately until I feel I've no other option. As for monthly refund, I wasn't given any choice. It was my suggestion, after the first refund, to get glass and money so I can get out of this quicker. However, even with monthly reminder from me, I'm not getting the refund monthly.


$161.95
details of my account is $420 cash amount in the begining and $156.85 outstanding. This is after recieved 4 colours and 3 refunds of 41.05 which costed me $5.10 pp fee.

Nancy

This is seriously messed up and shouldn't be happening.

[Lizabeads]

You really should have got the money all at once. I am a bit upset that we pay for the glass and then it gets ordered. So it takes another 4 weeks to get it. The glass is not even on its way to Marcie until it is paid for. When I signed up I thought that when we got invoiced the glass was with Marcie but I have found out other wise. I am very close to dropping out myself and if I like the color order it later. I could be in the color of the month with Momkas for some boro. I have to say this has been very disappointing

Agreed...

[LAJ]

Not a lot of people know about my situation since I always tried to resolve issues privately until I feel I've no other option. As for monthly refund, I wasn't given any choice. It was my suggestion, after the first refund, to get glass and money so I can get out of this quicker. However, even with monthly reminder from me, I'm not getting the refund monthly.


$161.95
details of my account is $420 cash amount in the begining and $156.85 outstanding. This is after recieved 4 colours and 3 refunds of 41.05 which costed me $5.10 pp fee.

Nancy

That really shouldn't be. Maybe Marcie doesn't know this, but when processing a refund all you have to do is select refund payment at the bottom of the page on the item details page and then there is no additional paypal charge incurred. If she sends a payment to you & nerely marks it "refund", then you will be charged a fee. HTH.

[nklt0]

Hi Lea,

That really shouldn't be. Maybe Marcie doesn't know this, but when processing a refund all you have to do is select refund payment at the bottom of the page on the item details page and then there is no additional paypal charge incurred. If she sends a payment to you & nerely marks it "refund", then you will be charged a fee. HTH.
Great info, but I think it's been way too long for that option.

Cheers
Nancy

[Lizabeads]

Well I got mine today. I can't wait to try the pink.. it is very pretty. The madarin I will try tonight and see what happens... will let you know. Where are the instructions for this glass does anyone know. I will try the website... nope nothing on the blog...

[Kalera]

This might contain helpful information for Marcie or anyone running a mail-order business:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/mailorder.shtm

[Lizabeads]

This might contain helpful information for Marcie or anyone running a mail-order business:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/mailorder.shtm

eeeww VERY GOOD Information... very enlightening... can you say ... failure to comply ??

[Renee]

can you say ... failure to comply ??

Marcie explained how everything was going to be handled at the very beginning, and is in compliance with that Rule. To accuse her otherwise is inaccurate. Perhaps exercising your option to drop out of the club would alleviate your frustrations.

[lunamoonshadow]

Renee, she's *not* in compliance if she's not giving full refunds to folks who have requested them & want to drop out part-way through the year because their months aren't shipping *on time* & *monthly*, but is making them take "monthly refunds" instead of one lump sum--if they paid a lump sum, they should get a lump sum back--not "monthly refunds" until the year is up--that costs them extra in fees & is holding their $ unfairly.

[Reenie]

I'm not sure but there seems to be confusion and I want to be perfectly clear who I am.
I am Reenie...NOT Renee....(see where the E's are placed. I am not the rolling eyes person.
I am just a person that wanted to help and try to see if I can do something to make the glass ship faster and smoother for everyone.
I know now, that my helping really didn't do anything for anyone.
All I did was email Marcie about the problems on the board and hopefully that she would answer all the questions with the one post I sent her.
I had no idea that some of you have paid for a full year in advance.
I'm sorry but I believe that if you paid for a full year, and dropped out??? That you should have all your money back at once. I don't understand the waiting for each month. Maybe I've missed something now. Wouldn't be the first time.
We obviously didn't give Lauscha all our money up front because some of us pay monthly so that isn't the problem right?
But anyways...I'm Irene aka (REENIE) not (RENEE)
I know it's tough but I don't want to be caught in the middle of arguments that are not mine!
I am also officially dropping out of the "liasion" (as you all call it) part of this thread. I am now just another person in the club waiting for her glass.

Irene

[Reenie]

BTW Kalera,
Very cool article. Thanks for sharing it!
Irene

[Lizabeads]

Renee, she's *not* in compliance if she's not giving full refunds to folks who have requested them & want to drop out part-way through the year because their months aren't shipping *on time* & *monthly*, but is making them take "monthly refunds" instead of one lump sum--if they paid a lump sum, they should get a lump sum back--not "monthly refunds" until the year is up--that costs them extra in fees & is holding their $ unfairly.

That is what I was referring too ! Thanks Luna !!

What can I say :rolleyes: (not the rolly eye either !!)

[AKDesigns]

I am Reenie...NOT Renee....(see where the E's are placed. I am not the rolling eyes person.

Irene

Now that's just freakin' classic!

[AKDesigns]

I crack me up! :badgrin:

[Renee]

Luna, I agree with your perspective about the refunds. I think those who requested refunds should receive them promptly, in full, and without incurring an expense; however, the language in the Rule concerns Shipment Representations, and the language regarding refunds is based on failure to meet those represtations, not refunds in general.

[Lizabeads]

Now that's just freakin' classic!

I was cracking UP !!

[Lizabeads]

Luna, I agree with your perspective about the refunds. I think those who requested refunds should receive them promptly, in full, and without incurring an expense; however, the language in the Rule concerns Shipment Representations, and the language regarding refunds is based on failure to meet those represtations, not refunds in general.

Then WHY did you try to start something with me AGAIN ?? You just ASSumed that I was referring to something else even when the discussion was about refunds?? Lets not go there !

[Lizabeads]

I'm not sure but there seems to be confusion and I want to be perfectly clear who I am.
I am Reenie...NOT Renee....(see where the E's are placed. I am not the rolling eyes person.
I am just a person that wanted to help and try to see if I can do something to make the glass ship faster and smoother for everyone.
I know now, that my helping really didn't do anything for anyone.
All I did was email Marcie about the problems on the board and hopefully that she would answer all the questions with the one post I sent her.
I had no idea that some of you have paid for a full year in advance.
I'm sorry but I believe that if you paid for a full year, and dropped out??? That you should have all your money back at once. I don't understand the waiting for each month. Maybe I've missed something now. Wouldn't be the first time.
We obviously didn't give Lauscha all our money up front because some of us pay monthly so that isn't the problem right?
But anyways...I'm Irene aka (REENIE) not (RENEE)
I know it's tough but I don't want to be caught in the middle of arguments that are not mine!
I am also officially dropping out of the "liasion" (as you all call it) part of this thread. I am now just another person in the club waiting for her glass.

Irene
Girl you are so funny !!! Now to be serious.. you aren't the only one that missed some threads.. I think I missed some too.
I for one really appreciate your trying to makes things better and smoother. I hate you feel caught in the middle. Don't feel bad about things you have no control over.. You did a good job.

[Reenie]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
I'm soooo sorry. I just had to do it just once!!!
Okay.....back to your normally scheduled program
Irene

[nklt0]

Kalera,
Very informative! Unfortunately, since I'm located in Australia, it will be a little difficult to take action.

Irene,
I hope no one is giving you a hard time. It is certainly not your responsibility how Marcie conduct business.


Cheers
Nancy

[beadstillmyheart]

OMG....here we go again.

For those of you awaiting refunds and/or glass, could you still file a complaint with paypal? (yes, it's too late for a claim, but is there a complaint process for subscription payments?)

I hope it works out for you guys. I really do.

[Hothead Beads]

I'm still waiting...:-\"
Paid April 25th, finally received a click n ship notice 6\25.
Isn't Firelady also doing a 24 color a year thing?? I think this woman needs
assistance in a bad way.

[Peach Blossom Beads]

Weimy: Marice is Firelady. Are you thinking of Lauscha Lady (whom I feel VERY bad for because she's WONDERFUL and yet a lot of people continually confuse her with Marcie a.k.a. Firelady).

I can't believe you have to pay 2 month in advance for glass. Marcie should have told you guys she was using your money to order the glass. I'd love to know how much she's making off of each person/individual glass order and how much interest she's making off of your money.) No, it's NONE of my business... I'm just throwing the thought out there and would never, ever want an answer.

[GinnyHampton]

FWIW, I got my color #5 a couple of days ago, hopefully everyone else gets theirs soon too :)

[Hothead Beads]

[QUOTE=taramag;1240247]Weimy: Marice is Firelady. Are you thinking of Lauscha Lady (whom I feel VERY bad for because she's WONDERFUL and yet a lot of people continually confuse her with Marcie a.k.a. Firelady).

QUOTE]

It's not Lauscha Lady, this is a banner that shows on the left of the screen sporadicaly. I don't mind paying in advance (I pay monthly), but the time between colors seems to be getting longer and longer. Unlike Lizabeads, I would prefer to know the color in advance, I don't like surprises.
Oh, the postman just delivered my glass!!!\\:D/
I hope everybody gets theirs soon!

[Peach Blossom Beads]

[QUOTE=taramag;1240247]Weimy: Marice is Firelady. Are you thinking of Lauscha Lady (whom I feel VERY bad for because she's WONDERFUL and yet a lot of people continually confuse her with Marcie a.k.a. Firelady).

QUOTE]

It's not Lauscha Lady, this is a banner that shows on the left of the screen sporadicaly. I don't mind paying in advance (I pay monthly), but the time between colors seems to be getting longer and longer. Unlike Lizabeads, I would prefer to know the color in advance, I don't like surprises.
Oh, the postman just delivered my glass!!!\\:D/
I hope everybody gets theirs soon!

Oh! Well that's Marcie. She's Firelady... the one running this. The way I read your post was that you were talking about someone ELSE who's also doing a monthly color thing. I thought you were talking about 2 different people and I also thought you knew Marcie and Firelady are one in the same.

Clear as mud?

NOW I see what you were saying! (OMG! Baby-brain is awful!) Ok, sorry I even posted! lol! So, Marcie is doing a 12 color a year thing AND 24 color a year thing? You're right! She needs help! LOTS of help! WOW! Ambitious!

[*Naos*]

Okay, I finally got Mandarin today (gorgeous color - not sure what I'll do with it) ...nearly July now...so we technically missed a month of color so far.

I'm finding I'm not really using these colors anyway so I might have to drop out and regret it later when a truly super color comes out before the end of the year. :) I was incredibly jazzed with Caramello but I find I don't even reach for it now.

Hmmmmm...

[*Naos*]

Okay so Marcie is doing both but these are standard Lauscha colors - not the exclusive ones that we get for a few months befor other venues do...

http://www.lampworketc.com/pan/adimage.php?filename=cotmad.jpg&contenttype=jpeg

[AKDesigns]

First...Amber, you can get the colors (so far) a couple months later from Lauscha Lady. I haven't seen anyone yet making big bucks off beads on ebay because they got some Lauscha glass a couple of months before anyone else. I'd rather wait...see if I even want the color and then buy it from someone else cheaper.

Second...can someone please explain to me the advantages of joining The 24 Club? I'm missing something and maybe someone else can explain.

[beadstillmyheart]

First...Amber, you can get the colors (so far) a couple months later from Lauscha Lady. I haven't seen anyone yet making big bucks off beads on ebay because they got some Lauscha glass a couple of months before anyone else. I'd rather wait...see if I even want the color and then buy it from someone else cheaper.

Second...can someone please explain to me the advantages of joining The 24 Club? I'm missing something and maybe someone else can explain.

I'm not sure....I had wondered the same thing. They are standard colors, you have no choice and you pay $24 a pound for colors that can run anywhere from $14 to $26 a pound (these numbers I used a canadian vendor and a currency converter). Most averaging $20 or so US.

I don't get this at all.

[SuzyQ]

I'm missing it too. Heck it looks more expensive because you pay shipping each month and pay more per pound that you would at glassdaddy. ???

[SuzyQ]

oh, posted while Kendra was.... same thing, different words :)

[Bear Rampant Glass]

Wow, that's quite a racket!

Jeannette

[AKDesigns]

I just checked Glassdaddy too and the cost for about half of his glass is $16.28/lb (transparents). Then there are some more expensive colors that run $23.10/lb (opaques) and a few around $17/lb.

I'm still not getting it.

[Bear Rampant Glass]

Maybe it is the price for being able to say you are in a club? I was just checking Glassdaddy too and I concure.

Jeannette

[MaryBeth]

Has anyone else noticed that color number 5 is exactly the same as a color that Glassdaddy carries but with a different name?

I have both colors and in the rod side-by-side I can detect absolutely no difference.

Glassdaddy sells this color for $18.60.

[SuzyQ]

uh, oh. what is the glassdaddy color?

[SuzyQ]

tangerine?

[AKDesigns]

I love that transparent tangerine but I'd sure be mad if I paid an over inflated price for it...under a different name. This is sounding a little Monique-ish to me.

[MaryBeth]

tangerine?

We have a winner!

[beadluvr]

wow

[SuzyQ]

darn it! I have plenty of that. I did cancel a while ago but agreed to take the fourth color since I had paid. *sigh* what a disappointment this whole thing has been.

[VivianLampwork]

Now I'm glad I didn't pay for #5. That's just plain wrong if it's identical to the tangerine.

[BeadMaven]

Hmmm....the transparent pinks I got look like the fuchia on the other lady's website. Very pretty but it sure makes me wonder.

[Lizabeads]

MaryBeth... I told someone else that EXACT same thing about 3 or 4 days ago. I have made a bead with them both together in the same bead. I'll post a picture tomorrow. The only difference I see is some opaqueness (if that is a word) to the mandarin. I am really pissed at this moment because of this.. I also paid double the amount for the pinks than I would have to Lauscha Lady. I'm so pissed I can't even discuss it with her right now. I have tried to give this whole ordeal the benefit of the doubt and work with the program for a year now. So far I have a stack of stuff I don't like and don't use. To top it off I'll never be able to sell it and get 1/2 my money back out of it. I reminds me of some odd lots. Another way to get rid of something that is screwed up.
Here are the emails I got regarding these "special" pinks... I guess this is what I would call a "smooth talker". But I want to know flat out if this is the same color I see on another site AND same with the Tangerine.

Removed cause I guess it was mean of me to post them...

[chrissij]

Wow! I'm beginning to feel duped. I REALLY want Marcie to do well with this venture, so I'm gonna' give her the benefit of the doubt and suggest that it's Lauscha doing the "duping" and that she's being duped as well. I'm certain the cost of this undertaking was phenomenal, both for Lauscha and for Marcie, and recouping costs is likely at the forefront. It would have to be. No one wants to lose money.

Crap. My high hopes are dissapating, and I'm not so sure I want to do this anymore. I've yet to get a color I "really" like, and I "so" don't like orange. Sigh...

[beadstillmyheart]

Liza,

Do you have any idea WHY if Lauscha creates beautiful pinks that people want so badly that they would get thrilled to be selected to buy a mere pound, why would they not continue production. PINKS ARE A HUGE GOTTA HAVE for lots of beadmakers.

I fail to understand. If the "experiment" was successful, they would continue production. If it was unsuccessful...what do they do? Offer up what didn't work as "limited production"?

I'm sorry if I sound cynical....but I think I am. At least where this is concerned. I once was given the rare opportunity to purchase red copper green from Jodel because my name was drawn in a lottery :doubt: Let's not go there, k?

Something's rotten in Denmark.

And how many weeks/months in advance are people now being asked to pay before getting glass? Guys, Lauscha Lady and Glass Daddy have gorgeous colors at better prices and they ship fast. I'm just saying.....

COM colors become available to the general public pretty fast, which is why I dropped out a long time ago. IF there is a color I really like, I just wait a few weeks and order it from someone else. I have YET to see a new color that really turned me on. :doubt:

If this club is stressful, just quit. It's just glass. (Yea, I know...but really, it IS just glass.)

[Janelle Zorko]

I can tell you that Lauscha does not have a standard pink in their fold. They don't need it. Even their little "Luck Piggies" that they have in their gift shop are made with a beautiful transparent peach that they've been making for years and years. From what I could tell, they really have no reason to create a pink unless it's custom ordered in bulk. That means someone has to order it and promise to buy it. I think Grace has been doing this. I don't know what's happening with Marcy.

I don't think Lauscha will ever create and offer a "stock pink" or assortment thereof. The Lauscha factory creates small figurines, beautiful Christmas ornaments, poured glass tabletops, multitudes of garden gazing balls and many other things so beadmakers and beadmaking are fairly new to them and a small part of their market share. I know that we're not "small potatoes" to them but pinks are expensive to produce due to their gold content and I'm sure the company will do that is the most financially feasible for them.

Janelle