What COE's??

[ellyloo]

As a newbie to Lampwork, i'm drooling over all the beautiful glasses and would love to try some out... but I just can't keep their COE's straight...is there a list or can we compile an ongoing list of all the lovely different glass and what COE they all are? Even different colours that I hear a lot about...

Reichenbach? Kugler? Olympia Rain? Lauscha? ASK? Satake? Vetrofond? Effetre?

:geek:

If there already is a list, please point me in the right direction! :)

[dogmaw]

Oh and don't forget the Satake! That is 114 COE. Or possibly 120 depending on the kind you get. :)

[meadowesky]

104- ASK, Double helix (olympia rain), the other silver glass, vetrofond, moretti, lausha

96- reichenbach, kuglar, spectrum

90 coe- bullseye, schott clear

[fritobsessed]

96 - Caliente & Gaffer

Also, I don't believe all Lauscha is 104 COE. I think it's a range of COE's for Lauscha, but someone else will have to chime in with what the range is.

[ellyloo]

awesome!
Now I can tell in the Garage what I may or may not want to buy.
Also, I can now know which frits to stay away from...I haven't noticed COE's being listed, only which glass it's made from. I guess my brain wants to "Keep It Simple" and just remember numbers rather than a dozen glass names.

Thanks to the 'seasoned' torchers out there for their patience! :)

[Emily]

Lauscha is all around 104 COE, as is Effetre/Moretti. Effetre doesn't release the exact COE of each color. Just from the different behaviors of the colors, it's assumed (or maybe it's apparent) that the COEs vary somewhat from 104, but there's no precise data. They're all within the few points that make them pretty much compatible.

COE isn't the be-all and end-all of the compatibility issue. Viscosity enters into it, too, and I think that's a lot of what can cause the issues between Lauscha and Effetre/Moretti. Now if someone could explain why the Effetre "special" colors don't like being encased, even with Effetre . . .

[Emily]

Also, I can now know which frits to stay away from...

Uh, no, not really. Practically none of the frits are 104 COE (well, a few, once in a while, but mostly not). You can use the 96 COE frits in small quantities on 104 glass (Effetre/Moretti, Vetrofond, Lauscha, ASK, CreationIsMessy, DoubleHelix, R4) and pull stringer from it and use it in small quantities as decoration. Some of the COE 96 glass is available in "stringer" form. I put "stringer" in quotes there because it's fatter than my idea of stringer -- more like thin rods/cane, to my mind. 3 or 4 mm.

There really are getting to be a lot of different types of glass, aren't there? Make a chart. Tape it to your computer. It'll be easier in the long run.

[*hotties*]

Thanks so much- made a list of the coes- but as a Newbie I still find that the clear glass rods are thicker to work with in molten stage- if that makes any sense!-Trying to encase a bead or even just work with it on a hot head is like forever - what am I doing wrong? I also do not have a kiln yet so is there someone I can send my beads to and pay them to get them done?
thanks- this is the greatest place to learn 4 sure!

[Kevan]

Kugler has started making some 104's.

[Glass Smith]

Kugler has started making some 104's.

I think that would be the ASK glass but they may have more in the works also.

CIM or Messy glass is also 104 coe

If you use any dichro in your beads just make sure it is also the same coe as your glass.

[glass-diary]

Hey,
104 (for beads) and 93 (for studio workers) - KUGLER
104 - Lauscha, Moretti, Vetrofond
93 - Gaffer, Reichenbach

[lunamoonshadow]

CIM (creation is messy) = 104
most frits ~96 you can use in small amounts like Emily said on your 104 glass (most of us do it, a few purists will argue about it...shrug...as surface decoration it's fun)
if you want to keep it "pure 104" (good luck--like Emily said, even some Moretti/Effetre isn't compatable with itself--like the opalinos/alabasters don't always play with the other pastels/transparents, rubino has some weird issues too--I think something to do with encasing it?) then Gail Joseph has a new line of pure 104 frit blends @ www.ggglass.com as well as her regular furnace glass frits (the ~96 stuff)
Supposedly the reason we get away with the ~96 frits is that there's lead in the frit--so it's more forgiving...(it's in a bunch of other threads here...& on other forums)

Sadie--try clear STRINGERS for encasing if the rods take too long--you can order them from Jon @ lbsupplys--they melt *much* faster than the thick rods!! (yes, on a hothead!!) Come in transparent colors too! (light colors like pale blue & pale amythest & stuff like that as well as clear :))

[FiredDesires]

Elly, ok.....I'm pointing! lol.....this is an older thread...but lots of help here. I should bring it back to the top, so we can all work on updating it.
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31631

[ellyloo]

Elly, ok.....I'm pointing! lol.....this is an older thread...but lots of help here. I should bring it back to the top, so we can all work on updating it.
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31631

PERRRRRRRRRRRRFECT.

[Humble newbie]

How about the coe for cut stained glass strips? 90?
Thanks in advance.

[Phoenix]

I think that would be the ASK glass but they may have more in the works also.

CIM or Messy glass is also 104 coe

If you use any dichro in your beads just make sure it is also the same coe as your glass.


Just to throw a wrench in assumptions- most of the Lauscha and Messy glass I sell are 96- so it does pay to ask if you aren't sure or read the fine print- those are exceptions- so you will generally see the COE listed with them though ( as in Messy 96)

[Baubles]

Hey,

93 - Gaffer, Reichenbach

Since when did Gaffer have a 93 COE? It is TSeal tested for 96 with no wandering variations.

V.

[pam]

Gaffer is 96.
Kugler, Reichenbach are around 93. (89 to 94, generally)
Bullseye 90
Effetre 104
Sataki 114

Compatibility has to do with not only the coe, but the viscosity, so all 104s are not compatible. The leaded Kugler/Reichenbach are able to be used sparingly with 104 coe glass. Leaded Gaffer can be used sparingly with both Bullseye and Effetre. Generally if you stay within 3 to 4 points in coe you will have few problems, unless viscosity rears its ugly head. Kugler makes rods (canes) especially for Arrow Springs that are 104. Stained glass, unless labeled "fusing compatible" can be any coe. They are not made to be a certain coe.

[DesertDreamer]

Don't forget Uroboros for 96. Terrific opals and transparents to fill in the Kugler palette and to serve as a base for all the gorgeous veiled cane (Val Cox, GG Glass, and Caliente).

Gail's new 104 frits are beautiful! I just spent several days in Tucson fondling them and making plans. Isn't it wonderful having all these possibilities?