How do you make Moretti look like Boro

[Kaleidoglass]

My friend Barbara, from Quincy, MA, just joined LE and is trying to figure out how to post. Until she has time to figure it out, she asked me to post this for her...

How do you make Moretti look like Borosilicate. Both Kate Fowle and Nancy Tobey say you can do it. It think it involves Palladium foils. Anyone know?

[cghipp]

You can get boro-ish effects by simply adding a little rubino over silver foil. (Thanks Michael Barley!)

Courtney

[Deneen]

I have used silvered rubino stringer over transparent colors then encased in clear to get a boro look sometimes. It is tricky, though. Too much silver on the stringer goes to mud and not enough silver fades into nothing.

[rightbrainbeads]

Nancy, there are different ways of doing it and most of them involve either silver (or fuming with silver) or reduction frit of one kind or another. Some frits work really well for this, and one of them is iris gold...

These beads were made by pulling a stringer of Moretti light brown transparent glass that had been rolled in iris gold frit. I laid the stringer on (all squiggly) different bases-- carnelian works really well, and then encased that with clear or pale transparent lavender glass. There is no blue glass in these beads... all that blue comes from light brown glass and iris gold that's been encased.

Andrea Guarino-Slemmons is a master at making moretti look like boro and teaches a class about it!

lynne

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[Kaleidoglass]

Wow, those are beautiful!!!

[Jude Rose]

Thanks for posting those awesome beads. They get me in the mood to torch instead of make dinner like I'm supposed to do!

[Kaye]

There are probably actually a lot of ways that people stumble upon.

my most recent was a light transparent core...rolled in raku 00 size frit, then I layered a couple transparent dots, and encased...to me they have a boro look to them...I made one dinking around and ended up making a while set.

[WhiskerWood]

The Double Helix glass can look like boro too!

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[torchbynight]

Lynn, those are amazing. I'm going to try that! I love doing the rubino/silver thing, but that... wow. YUMMY.

[blondewants2bead]

Kaye,

I LOVE those beads! Those are some of my favorite colors :grin:

[rightbrainbeads]

Amy! I'm so glad to see you here!! :waving:

Kaye, those are beautiful! I'd never have guessed R-108...

Nicole, I MUST get some of that Double Helix glass!! Gawd, I'm such a sucker for that wispy boro blue...

lynne :love:

[Barbara]

wow! Thanks all, this is exactly what I was looking for. Especially Lyne's example. The beads are beautiful.

What a great forum.

I hope to learn to post on my own one of these days when I spend time on the computer instead of the torch.

Barb

[Kaleidoglass]

wow! Thanks all, this is exactly what I was looking for. Especially Lyne's example. The beads are beautiful.

What a great forum.

I hope to learn to post on my own one of these days when I spend time on the computer instead of the torch.

Barb

Hey Barbara, it's about time you showed up here. It's a great forum, lots of nice people here. Let me know if you need me to show you how to post. :waving: :waving:

[Barbara]

HI Nancy,

I could use your help posting when you have time. Any time this weekend would be good, if I know ahead of time and you are free.......

I tried some of the rubino Silvered beads over a striking red base with transparent lavender encasings and over a med blue transparent. Both look great, but still not what I am looking for. I have ordered the Carnelian to try that as a base as Lynne described. I am hoping that will get me where I want to be. Either way, I have learned a lot from this forum.

Thanks again everyone.

[Kaleidoglass]

Hey Barbara,
Give me a call Saturday around 3pm or any time Sunday. Got stuff to tell you!!!

[Anne Ricketts]

Andrea Guarino-Slemmons is a master at making moretti look like boro and teaches a class about it!

lynne

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Lynne those are gorgeous!! I'm taking Andrea's class in Dec and I can't wait!

[Curly Irish Girl]

So...where is the class?? Does she have a website with scheduled classes???? I GOTTA take one soon!!!!

[Anne Ricketts]

Lynn you'll have to come to TX if you want to take the class I'll be in! She is coming down the first weekend of Dec to teach at Blue Moon Glassworks.

[SL Beads]

Who knows where I can buy Carnelian and Raku frit?

[cghipp]

Frantz: http://www.frantzartglass.com

[rightbrainbeads]

Lynne those are gorgeous!! I'm taking Andrea's class in Dec and I can't wait!

Anne, damn, I wish you were coming here so I could meet you!!! No wait, let me give Andrea a call and see if I can bribe her into taking me along!!! :badgrin:

You're gonna love her class... the woman is a master with glass...

Lynn, here's (http://www.andreaguarino.com/) a link to Andrea's website, and there's still one opening in the class at Blue Moon. :-)

:love: lynne

[Anne Ricketts]

Yeah Lynne! Tell her she needs you to be her TA!! LOL! Maybe I'll be able to make it up there to teach one day! \\:D/

[SL Beads]

Lynne, I tried your method and could not quite get your beautiful effect. I did not have brown and so used light amber to make a stringer. Did you use very fine frit or chuncky kind? Also, did you use reduction flame? I am not sure what was the difference. Any ideas? Thanks, Sachiko

[cghipp]

Sachiko -

I think you need the light brown or maybe straw yellow to get that particular reaction. (It's not just the general color scheme but some particular ingredient in the light brown.) Someone please correct me if I'm wrong!

Courtney

[rightbrainbeads]

Lynne, I tried your method and could not quite get your beautiful effect. I did not have brown and so used light amber to make a stringer. Did you use very fine frit or chuncky kind? Also, did you use reduction flame? I am not sure what was the difference. Any ideas? Thanks, Sachiko

Hey Sachiko! :waving:

Yeah, it has to be light brown or straw yellow. And I've used everything from powder, to 0, to #1 when it comes to frit size. I don't reduce it-- just really cook it into the light brown glass before you pull the stringer.

lynne

[SL Beads]

Hi Lynn: Thanks for your advice. I finally created the effect similar to yours, not exactly, but close. You're right it had to be light brown. You reminded me how much beadmaking is about chemical reactions. Luckily I found the light brown rod in my stash, although I have no idea why I bought them. The striking yellow did not work well for me. Also my problem is dirty Mapp gas which turns carnelian sooty. So, I have to be content with the level of success I got so far. I feel I did my best. Now I have to move on to another obsession. Thanks again, Sachiko

[Jamn!]

Yummy!!

Class did I hear Class? lol

[rightbrainbeads]

Also my problem is dirty Mapp gas which turns carnelian sooty.

Sachiko,

It looks really cool on striking red, ink blue and dark green... and... almost any dark transparent. Don't let carnelian stop you! I've been fooling around with it lately, trying different base glasses. One thing I've decided is that #1 frit works best-- the powder bubbles too easily.

lynne

[SL Beads]

I am not sure about my talent, but I have tenacity. So, I guess I will stay a bit longer with this effect creation, especially if I don't have to use carnelian. Will let you know tomorrow about my progress. Thanks Lynne!! from Sachiko

[rightbrainbeads]

LOL, Sachiko! Tenacity is my middle name-- I'm counting on it to take me a long ways! :biggrin:

Here's a bad pic of a few beads that I made night before last. I was very tenacious ( :badgrin: ) and kept trying to make them with powdered iris gold. After about 8 beads I finally had to admit it was the powder that was causing the bubbling. By that time I was about shot, but I made a few more with #1 frit before turning off the torch.

The one on the far left in the top pic has a core of light teal with pale emerald green over that, and then the stringer. It's pretty cool in person. And the one next to it is striking red, which is one of my favs... the one on the far right has a base of light emerald green.

In the bottom pic, the two beads on the left both have a base of striking yellow (must have been the way I was sitting that caused the difference in the way they look ;-) ), and then another red one.

lynne :waving:

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[shawnette]

LOL, Sachiko! Tenacity is my middle name-- I'm counting on it to take me a long ways! :biggrin:

Here's a bad pic of a few beads that I made night before last. I was very tenacious ( :badgrin: ) and kept trying to make them with powdered iris gold. After about 8 beads I finally had to admit it was the powder that was causing the bubbling. By that time I was about shot, but I made a few more with #1 frit before turning off the torch.

The one on the far left in the top pic has a core of light teal with pale emerald green over that, and then the stringer. It's pretty cool in person. And the one next to it is striking red, which is one of my favs... the one on the far right has a base of light emerald green.

In the bottom pic, the two beads on the left both have a base of striking yellow (must have been the way I was sitting that caused the difference in the way they look ;-) ), and then another red one.

lynne :waving:

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These are awesome! I can't wait to try this, but I don't have any 018. What number is Straw Yellow? Guess I'll have to make another trip to the glass store. Dang! I hate buying glass! :---)

[rightbrainbeads]

Hey Shawnette! Straw Yellow is 049.

Yeah, isn't buying glass a total drag? :^o :^o :^o

:love: lynne

[Jamn!]

Lynne
Those beads are incredible!! I love the colors and swirls you are getting with the Iris Gold. Yum!
Why don't you try Boro? :)

[DawnT]

Lynne - those are awesome! I'm patiently waiting to get more Iris Gold in the mail so I can keep playing. I'm not quite getting your reactions either but I love the look so much I won't give up either!

[Holly]

Lynne!
Those are just so beautiful.

hols

[lunamoonshadow]

Question--does "faux boro" hold it's color better in different light vs. "real boro"??
I'm asking from a designer point of view....my "issue" with boro is the color change when a customer gets a piece of jewelry home & it suddenly doesn't "look the same color" :D I'm thinking these beads likely DON'T have that "feature", huh?
More of a "what you see is what they STAY" kinda thing? ;)
~L

[rightbrainbeads]

Hey Heidi, Dawn and Holly! I didn't even know you guys had posted here! Thank you!

Heidi, I have to figure out a way to keep the two kinds of glass separate in my small studio... once I do that I think I'll take the plunge. I have a Barracuda and an Integra 10, so I've got the tools... :-D

Lunamoonshadow, the faux boro isn't elusive like real boro. It looks the same to me no matter where I look at it-- there's no color change that I can discern between outdoor and indoor lighting.

Here are some new ones-- varying the base glass and the encasing style makes a huge difference in the final look...

lynne (lol, have I hogged this thread OR WHAT?! 8-[ )

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[DawnT]

Lynne can you come to my house and teach me to do that? PLEEEEEAAAASE!!! :-D Colorado is pretty right now and we haven't even had snow yet!

[lunamoonshadow]

Those blue ones are GORGEOUS!!! (I really like the look of boro--the colorshift just bugs the heck out of me!)

[torchbynight]

The ones I've been making have a bit of a color shift to them- they're darker indoors, but they have a great purple/blue halo when they're taken outside. But they do have MUCH more color under regular light than some boro beads I've seen.

Making a great pink color with this is easy, too- rubino cracks when I've used it.. bah! But... an orange base makes a berry pink that's unbelievable! Like Lynne showed up there, yellow is just awesome, too. Emerald green is GREAT, too!

[IF-Designs]

These are fantastic! And being a boro girl I have to say some of these I would never KNOW they were NOT boro! wow! gotta keep this in my gotta try it folder!

[Jude Rose]

I've been playing with the concepts in this thread for awhile and wanted to post some results:

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[torchbynight]

Ah, Jude! That bottom one, I ogled in the show and tell. I wondered if that was the brown/gold technique or if you got your gorgeous raku mojo out for that one. These are spectacular!

[cghipp]

Gorgeous beads!

Courtney

[DreamMuse]

Wow, Jude!! Those are amazing!!!

[lripster]

Jude, I've been drooling over the colors you're getting lately! Just gorgeous!

[Heather/Ericaceae]

Hi! I just wanted to thank the people on this thread! I ordered 018 brown a few weeks ago and over the past week or so I've been playing with 018 stringer coated in riechenbach iris gold frit. It works! It's hard to photograph but I love gazing into them in real life. The first pic is Nike Green encased in emerald green, with the faux boro stringer, encased + clear bumbs and matching spacers. The second one is my favorite so far - dark purple transparent with cobalt, a little silvered rubino stringe, fo-bo stringer, clear encasing + clear wrap. I can't wait to see what else can be done with this reaction! -Heather

[Leanne]

wow I am about to go and light my torch, am I going to play with my stash of northstar NO! I am going to go and try this instead it is BETTER than the colours I have been getting from boro. but then I am a boro beginner!

[Lara]

I don't know how I missed this thread for so long. Jude your beads are amazing. Wonderful colors.

I tried my hand at this and got OK colors. I'm wishing for more blues and purples.

[TheBriarePatch]

I just took my first "pretend" boro beads out of the kiln - HOW AWESOME!!!
http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/209214.gif for the tutorial!!!

[dgg112]

LOL I just found this thread too, I've been in there, grinding iris gold nuggets into frit this am and can't wait to try it.

[BeadMaven]

I had found this thread last week and played a bit with the IG and straw yellow ~ Everyone's beadies here are pretties too - just wanted to say :smile:

Here is a set I just got out of the kiln

I love the effect!

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[Coffeebean]

I have heard a couple of people mention double helix glass but am not familiar with it. What is it exactly? Tia :)

[alexm]

Double Helix glass is made by an artist in WA.

It's Moretti/Vetrofond compatible and it has properties very similar to boro.

Here's the website: www.doublehelixglassworks.com

It's expensive, but I've seen some gorgeous work with this glass.

[Deb]

I've been playing with the concepts in this thread for awhile and wanted to post some results:

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Jude, those are stunning!!!!:jawdrop:

Deb

[flyingbead]

These were made using a base of striking red and iris gold stringer. They sold on e-Bay last week. (My son named them "Electric Grapes"!)
I just love this technique.
Liz

[flyingbead]

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[Coffeebean]

*drooool* gorgeous beads everyone!

[dgg112]

THUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great set Liz!!!!!
Aw heck they're all wonderful!!! I even got a couple I was proud of!!! lol after I realized I wasn't making my stringer potent enough and made more!!!

[danelady]

OK guys,, I tried this, and I am not really happy with the results, I tried over carnelian, transparent (clear) and Rubino. The Rubino are the only ones which look decent. The carnelian based ones are totally brown, no color.. any idea where I went wrong? I think these are "close".

http://www.doglogic.com/AUCTION/fauxboro.jpg

[Laurie L]

Actually Lynnie I think those look quite nice.

I tried this and got awsome results. I used trans cobalt, striking red and emerald as bases. I like the ones done on the cobalt the best. Lots of blues and greens. I would love to know how to get some purples and pinky tones.

[Shelley]

I've been playing with the concepts in this thread for awhile and wanted to post some results:

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These are totally amazing! How did you do this???

Shelley

[Full Circle]

Lynne,
Thanks for sharing all of your recipes here!!!! I love light iris gold I have found I love it best when pulled directly from rod - the big honkin' chunks. I also find that I get a lot of striking in the kiln that takes my nice blues that I achieve while torching back to nice yellows and greens while in the kiln... I try to play with my iris yellow last in my day so they are in the kiln the shortest period...

These are with a base of straw yellow, then a thick random black ring around the bead - melted in. Next about 5 parallel lines of raku, then lines random lines of pure iris gold between the raku lines...Then it's burn baby burn... Although these aren't boro looking if you encased them they would be.

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[NorLigh]

Hello :) I have a question- using carnelian as a base- you mean the opalino color, 536? I have some of this at home and never use it. I will have to try this. Also, I don't have any iris gold frit right now, and I already spent my "glass money" for the month. Will "Sunglow" by Glass Diversions work in the same manner?

I accidentally stumbled on making beads like this when I tried to make the "blue bead" from the tutorials section of this site. My bead did not look exactly like the blue bead (I use a HH and 7lb proplyene tank) but it really looked marvelous- the silver foil over cobalt with clear created amazing results (for me, somewhat of a beginner.) I then began adding different Glass Diversions frits and different transparent bases to see what would happen- glorious beads.

I'm lucky because there is a glass store not far from me, and with the rise in lampwork beading she (the owner) has a great stock of glass- and she special orders for us- so I can pop over to see if she has, or can get, straw yellow :) This is where my glass money for the month has already been spent!

I can't wait to go home and turn on my torch to try some of these "recipes" posted here!!!

[danelady]

Thanks Laurie, I appreciate the positive feedback.. I was trying to get more color.. sigh !LOLActually Lynnie I think those look quite nice.

I tried this and got awsome results. I used trans cobalt, striking red and emerald as bases. I like the ones done on the cobalt the best. Lots of blues and greens. I would love to know how to get some purples and pinky tones.

[danelady]

I used Opalino Carnelian, and the beads turned totally brown! The Sunglow has SOME Iris Gold, but if you call Robin, she could tell you more!Hello :) I have a question- using carnelian as a base- you mean the opalino color, 536? I have some of this at home and never use it. I will have to try this. Also, I don't have any iris gold frit right now, and I already spent my "glass money" for the month. Will "Sunglow" by Glass Diversions work in the same manner?

I accidentally stumbled on making beads like this when I tried to make the "blue bead" from the tutorials section of this site. My bead did not look exactly like the blue bead (I use a HH and 7lb proplyene tank) but it really looked marvelous- the silver foil over cobalt with clear created amazing results (for me, somewhat of a beginner.) I then began adding different Glass Diversions frits and different transparent bases to see what would happen- glorious beads.

I'm lucky because there is a glass store not far from me, and with the rise in lampwork beading she (the owner) has a great stock of glass- and she special orders for us- so I can pop over to see if she has, or can get, straw yellow :) This is where my glass money for the month has already been spent!

I can't wait to go home and turn on my torch to try some of these "recipes" posted here!!!

[NorLigh]

What number is light brown? I tried a few mixes, and they all came out looking like poop/ It is true that Lauscha clear will not work with this?

Thanks!

[cghipp]

Don't know the number offhand, but it's the Effetre handpulled light brown - the expensive stuff.

Okay, I had to go look it up: it's 591018 Effetre Light Brown Transparent.

Courtney

[rkoza]

Yes Jennifer, Sunglow works also because it contains more than 50% Iris Gold. If you look here: http://www.glassdiversions.com/frit/sunglow.html you'll see where one of my testers used Sunglow to make these same beads. Try it and let me know how it goes.

Have fun,
Robin

[evilglass]

next torch time, I'm gonna try this.....looks like grand fun!

[Shelley]

Arrhh! I'm only getting blues & yellows.... how do you get the pinks/purples?

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[jazzcurls]

I just had to try this technique...I'm so boro impaired on a mandrel...I have burned through so many mandrels...but this technique is awesome...and so fun cause ya just don't know what will pop out of the kiln the next day:-D
here's my first attempts...and they were painless..really easy...Thanks so much for the info!!!!

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[jazzcurls]

Hi Shelley...we posted at the same time...yours are gorgeous! I put the stringer over red and over med amethyst...to get the pinks and purples...

[Karen Hardy]

Wow! If I saw those side by side with Boro I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. Great job!!!\\:D/

I just had to try this technique...I'm so boro impaired on a mandrel...I have burned through so many mandrels...but this technique is awesome...and so fun cause ya just don't know what will pop out of the kiln the next day:-D
here's my first attempts...and they were painless..really easy...Thanks so much for the info!!!!

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[jazzcurls]

THANKS!!! I showed them to a couple of lampworkers that make boro...and they said WOW your boro is really getting better...hahaha...they couldn't believe they were soft glass...did I say I love this technique??? Thanks so much for sharing!!!

[Lara]

Arrhh! I'm only getting blues & yellows.... how do you get the pinks/purples?

Shelley
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I don't know the answer to your questions Shelly, as I too want the pinks and purples, but your beads are beautiful.

[Laurie L]

Me to

I want some pinks and purples.

HELP - Anyone ???

[Shelley]

Thanks Lara...
I tried the red base.. and all I get is blue/yellow over red... I'm not getting any pink/purple tones.... Very frustrating!!

Shelley

[Cindy2]

Here are my experiments. Can't tell you why I can get the purples/pinks with the red transparent base. My flame is oxydizing rather than just neutral - maybe that's it? I also go verrrry lightly with the stringer. Wish I had a better explanation! :-)

[Solana]

What kind of transparent red is everyone using? Maybe you get different results with Moretti's transparent red than with Lauscha's. :)

I also tried the techinque yesterday, and was not happy with the results at all. I used Moretti striking red as the base and got hardly any colors. I think there is some blue, but it's hard to tell since the beads came out so dark. I wish I had some Lauscha striking red to see if that makes any difference.

I also made some beads on a base of striking yellow, and those came out looking like baby poo. I'll post pictures when I get home tonight.

Oh, before I forget...beautiful beads everyone! :)

[Coffeebean]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but boro is so much easier to work with than soft glass. Why not just use boro instead of making moretti beads that look like boro?:? :-k

[alexm]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but boro is so much easier to work with than soft glass. Why not just use boro instead of making moretti beads that look like boro?:? :-k

Because some people don't have a hot enough torch to work boro, or they don't have any boro, or because they like to work with soft glass but get the same effect. It's also way quicker to work with soft glass than with boro, especially if you're on a small torch.

[Coffeebean]

oh, OK - that makes perfect sense. :)

[Cindy2]

Karla,

I'm using the Effetre striking red. I use the Effetre light transparent brown with the iris gold frit really cooked into the stringer. When you pull the stringer if the end of it (where it's thicker) doesn't look hazy like boro, then don't use the stringer, it won't come out like these beads.

I don't think the encasing is what is bringing out the pinks and purples, I can see the iridescence in the bead after I have laid down the stringer and melted it in - before I encase in the clear. If I don't see the iridescence, then the bead is a wash.

In person, these beads are darker like black cherries. I always put the pix through photoshop to lighten the background - otherwise the pictures are too dark. But by doing that, it lightens the whole picture slightly. This is what the beads look like when in the sunlight - I took another pix of them a little farther away so that the beads would look darker - as they are when you are not in the sunlight. These beads definitely have the same characteristics as boro in that they are darker in person. I tried to "lighten" by using a base of clear and then a light layer of the transparent red, but it's the stringer that makes them dark, not the base bead. Less stringer, a little less dark but still dark.

I've included a picture of a base of rubino - thought pink would be pretty - too bad they didn't turn out pink! But still pretty!

Hope that helps!
Cindy

PS - the beads that are on the outer edges are look as the beads do in person, black cherry is all I can think of. The oval bead in the center to your right, the one that looks lighter and red, is actually striking orange - it looks orange out of the sunlight - in the sunlight, you can see it's red-orange.

[Solana]

Wow...thanks Cindy! :)

I used the same glass as you did, but maybe I didn't cook the frit enough before pulling the stringer. My stringer came out amber in color and was pretty clear. I heated the blob of light brown/iris gold until white hot and then pulled it into stringer. Do I need to keep it white hot longer or something like that? Maybe I heated it too much?

My bead are really dark too, so maybe taking a picture of them will allow the depth of the beads to be more visible. I meant to do that last night, but the torch was calling. You know how it goes. ;)

By the way...I love the rubino beads! I must try that color too! :)

Thanks!

Karla

Karla,

I'm using the Effetre striking red. I use the Effetre light transparent brown with the iris gold frit really cooked into the stringer. When you pull the stringer if the end of it (where it's thicker) doesn't look hazy like boro, then don't use the stringer, it won't come out like these beads.

I don't think the encasing is what is bringing out the pinks and purples, I can see the iridescence in the bead after I have laid down the stringer and melted it in - before I encase in the clear. If I don't see the iridescence, then the bead is a wash.

In person, these beads are darker like black cherries. I always put the pix through photoshop to lighten the background - otherwise the pictures are too dark. But by doing that, it lightens the whole picture slightly. This is what the beads look like when in the sunlight - I took another pix of them a little farther away so that the beads would look darker - as they are when you are not in the sunlight. These beads definitely have the same characteristics as boro in that they are darker in person. I tried to "lighten" by using a base of clear and then a light layer of the transparent red, but it's the stringer that makes them dark, not the base bead. Less stringer, a little less dark but still dark.

I've included a picture of a base of rubino - thought pink would be pretty - too bad they didn't turn out pink! But still pretty!

Hope that helps!
Cindy

PS - the beads that are on the outer edges are look as the beads do in person, black cherry is all I can think of. The oval bead in the center to your right, the one that looks lighter and red, is actually striking orange - it looks orange out of the sunlight - in the sunlight, you can see it's red-orange.

[Cindy2]

Hi Karla,

Maybe it's how much iris gold frit I have on the transparent brown? I make a small ball of glass at the end of a rod, then roll it in the iris gold and cook it into the brown to white-hot, then I flatten with mashers and I heat and roll in frit again, flatten in another direction and then roll in frit again.

I work on a minor and two oxycons and work about 4 inches out of a 8 inch flame - it's an oxydizing flame (blue).

Thanks for the nice comment about the rubino beads :-)

Hope that helps and you get some success soon!

Cindy

[Solana]

Okay...I FINALLY got around to taking pictures last night. Placing the beads under incandescent lights really brought out the stringer work, and there are even some colors. However, I don't really care for how they look. I thought they'd be more vibrant...colorful.

These beads were made using the suggested stringer on a base of Moretti striking red and encased with Vetrofond clear.
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These beads were made using the stringer on a base of Moretti striking yellow and encased with Vetrofond. I don't really care for these since there was a reaction on some of the beads between the stringer and yellow that turned an ugly brown color.
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Regarding how much iris gold I used in my stringer, I heated a nice gather of transparent brown (around 10mm) and rolled it in enough frit to coat the entire gather. Then, I heated it in until it was white hot and pulled into stringer. Are you suggesting I use more iris gold?

Edited to add: Actually, after looking at my beads, I think I got the best color where I had more stringer on the bead. For example...in the red set, there are two beads with dots of the stringer. These beads have the most amount of color when compared to the other beads. I added two layers of dots to these beads, whereas the other beads only had one "layer" of stringer. So, maybe more stringer does show more colors?

Thanks!

[Anne Ricketts]

Because some people don't have a hot enough torch to work boro, or they don't have any boro, or because they like to work with soft glass but get the same effect. It's also way quicker to work with soft glass than with boro, especially if you're on a small torch.
Also boro is a lot more exspensive and you have to have darker glasses (more expense)

[torchbynight]

When I make mine like this, I roll the gather three times in the iris gold, and yep, the more stringer, the better. If you layer the stringer, you get even more auroras. Check it out on copper green!
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[Solana]

When I make mine like this, I roll the gather three times in the iris gold, and yep, the more stringer, the better. If you layer the stringer, you get even more auroras. Check it out on copper green!
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That's beautiful! I LOVE the colors! I'll have to try it on copper green and I just restocked that color! :)

[Cindy2]

Yowzer! Love that bead, Amy!

Karla, I think you've got it! Like I had said about the color, black cherry - a deep sort of garnet color rather than a vibrant pink purple and red. I think that's a true boro like color. You've done a good job with the technique.

I'll have to try to copper green!

PS - Hi Anne! Long time no "see!" :waving:

Cindy

[Anne Ricketts]

Hey Cindy! :waving: Where ya been?

[rightbrainbeads]

Wow!!! It's so awesome to see what everyone's doing!!!

:waving: lynne

[Cindy2]

Hey Cindy! :waving: Where ya been?


Hey, Annie!! I looked around on WC one day and everyone was gone! Took me awhile to find people! :-)

So I don't highjack the thread - here are a couple I made with a medium grass green transparent. Not so boro looking but pretty!

[Lara]

Amy - Way awesome beads. Great colors. When I tried on CG, I got a brown mess. This is just lovely.

[Carolyn M]

I just tried on copper green and got the same brown reaction. What the heck did you do to get those colours ???!!!

[torchbynight]

Thanks, Lara :D And Carolyn, I have no idea...LOL.. I know I used red copper green though :D

[Anne Ricketts]

Thought I would add what I did with the iris gold and yellow stringer. On top of silvered ivory it look pretty cool!

[torchbynight]

Holy moly, Anne, those are AWESOME!!

[Anne Ricketts]

Thanks Amy! I loved watching these 'bloom"!

[dgg112]

Thought I would add what I did with the iris gold and yellow stringer. On top of silvered ivory it look pretty cool!


OMG ANNE!! Those are fantastic!!!
Please tell me you used some kind of fancy cane for all the black lines!!!
And you used a yellow instead of the handpulled brown huh????

[Anne Ricketts]

The cane is just a black and clear twisty and I think I used the pale yellow, not the brown. I don't remember which yellow, I just know it's not the striking!

[Coffeebean]

Wow those are really beautiful!!

[Maryse]

I tried this technique yesterday and had only problems. All the beads I made with the brown or yellow with iris gold stringer cracked although I used only a little of the iris frit. I used Vetrofond for encasing. Should I rather take Lauscha clear??? The beads that I left unencased had a dark smoky surface, just as if I had reduced them, but I have only worked in a neutral flame . HELP!!!
With the silvered rubino oro, I only got very little color reactions, almost unnoticeable:-(
Could anyone help please?
Greetings from an awfully hot Luxembourg

[Heather/Ericaceae]

If you have a concentrated amount of furnace glass frit in one spot, you can still get compatibility cracks even if it's a small percentage of the overall bead weight. Were you adding iris gold stringer to a base of straw yellow or light brown, or were you using a stringer of yellow or brown roleld in iris gold frit? Pure iris gold stringer can potentially cause cracking, especially if it's partially encased.

It's a slightly fussy technique and doesn't always work.. but try this. Make a glob of light brown ( 018 ) and roll it in iris gold frit. Melt in and roll it again, then pull a 1mm stringer. Make a small spacer bead in cobalt, black or striking red. Squiggle the fo-bo stringer along the centre of the bead. Melt flat. Encase in clear without smearing the stringer. Don't leave any exposed if possible. Shape gently without distorting. Voila... You should see the reactions. Then you can experiment with different designs.

As for silvered rubino oro, you need a fair amount of silver to get a strong reaction. One layer of leaf on a grape-sized gather won't have much impact when it's pulled to 1mm. But 3 wraps of foil over an inch of 5mm rod, pulled to 1mm will probably be cooler. A sure-fire way to get coolness (I call it ruby jade effect) is just to scroll normal rubino stringer onto a silvered base... Try it on silvered cobalt. Mmmm!!!

Have fun! -Heather

[Maryse]

Hi Heather!
Thank you very much for your help! Reading your suggestions for the silverd rubino answers my question: I only used one leaf of silver foil for a thick gather of glass. I will try with several pieces of foil tonight!
For the other faux-boro: I melted a blob of light brown and rolled it in iris gold frit, only once, then I melted the frit in and pulled it into stringer. Same for the straw yellow. Yesterday I used the stringer on a dark ivory base, put dots on with the stringer and only a little dab of clear on top of the stringer dot and I got a very nice reaction. I will go on experimenting tonight!
Greetings!

[Bunyip]

I tried this technique... Fun, easy, and beautiful! I got some interesting reactions. I choes striking carnelian, opal yellow and mosaic green for my first attempts:

3 pix of the same beads, from different angles:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-3/15236/P8250016e.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-3/15236/P8250018e.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-3/15236/P8250022e.jpg

The striking carnelian gave me greeny colors, the mosaic green showed dark blues, and the opal yellow yielded a greeny background with almost ultraviolet purples overtones.

I love it!

[lldesigns]

Anne - your beads have always been some of the most beautiful on LE. The detail astounds me and this set is no exception!

[Anne Ricketts]

Thanks Laurie! I've been in an experiemental mood lately, maybe I'll revisit that color combo again soon!

[LyndaJ]

Has anyone tried something similar with Bullseye?

Thank-you
Lynda

[evilglass]

Ok, I've been playing with this technique for months now, LOL

Stuff I've learned.

1) any transparent iris reichenbach (which I'm sure I misspelled) does cool things. Some you have to use a lot less of...like night violet, I think. exception: black, it might do something cool, but I can't see a thing.

2) you can vary what you get from it by how much frit goes on your gather.

examples: Iris green will make blue beads, if you roll a gather between the size of a big grape and a small walnut in the frit once. Same size gather done twice makes green beads. Base color seems to make no difference with green, violet, and blue, so I'm using black now.

I played hard today trying to get purple with light iris gold, because the iris night violet I'm still fighting really hard with to get consistent results-tends to be too dark to see well, but in super bright daylight, they're cool, LOL. I found that if I rolled the gather in iris gold once, I got blues and purples on opaque red beads-not on yellows or pinks that I tried. If I rolled it twice, I got greens and yellows. I've got to play with this with the amber green.

3) some of them work without encasing.

4) really fun technique :)

[Anne Ricketts]

Pics??? Please??? [-o<

[evilglass]

Pics??? Please??? [-o<


'k...let me see...I don't have pics of the ones from today, yet. I'll take some tomorrow, if they (and the sunlight, LOL) cooperate. I don't have pictures of the violet ones, either. Haven't even tried, since I can't replicate it every time. Pretty sure it's one dip on a large gather, then heavily encase, but I haven't felt like messing with it since the last time, when out of 9 beads only 3 or 4 had a visible reaction. It didn't like spot encasing.

this one is one of the blue iris frits, on I think black.

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This iris green, on black again (I think)

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Blue, on something (like I said, with these ones it really doesn't matter) but it shows the encased vs not encased thing.

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Iris green, same thing

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Now, these...they're all with iris green. The blue one has stringer (well, twisties) with just one dip of iris green. The green one has two. On transparent cobalt blue, probably.

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This is iris opal yellow. Wish I could make it do something, but I still like it. Bidders didn't, though, LOL. I have an idea to try with this one sometime.

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And the familiar...light iris gold, probably dipped twice guessing by the colors, but on the thin end of the twistie. On black

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[Anne Ricketts]

:jawdrop: Those are gawgeous!!!!

[evilglass]

awww...thanks :)

oh! if you don't encase it, it likes to pit a bit, too.

[dgg112]

OH WOW that green is just electric!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beautiful!!!!

[cghipp]

Wow - those are fantastic. Those green ones are very malachite-y, and the blue ones - good grief! I think they're great.

[evilglass]

thanks :)

I'm thinking I might oughta make more of the green ones, LOL. The last blue set didn't find a new home, so it's still here.

[evilglass]

ok...here's the pinky purple I mentioned...

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and the violet ones-I think I need to photograph those earlier in the day, with more sunlight.

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[LadyCrow]

Will Lt. Iris Gold Frit work ?

[evilglass]

yes.

If it's a thicker layer of it, you're going to get more yellows and greens out of it, thinner, more blues and green. Really thin, on the right base color gets pinky purple-with some blues.

[FourTailsLampwork]

What I'm seeing is that my beads turn out *very* dark, almost black, no matter the base bead colour. If I hold them up to the light I can see some flashes of colour. Is the problem that I am maybe using too much stringer? I've tried both melting the stringer in to the the base and encasing over the unmelted stringer.

I have been using the Moretti transparent light brown with one thick dip of iris gold or green frit, and melting the frit into the stringer well; encasing with Moretti clear; and am on a trusty little HotHead.

[FlamingFrog]

I'm having the same problem. I have tried more frit for the stringer, less frit for the stringer and all sorts of different base colors. I am also using the transparant light brown on a hot head.

In one of the earlier posts someone mentioned that the stringer should have a boro like haze. Mine just look clear.

Could somebody post a picture of what I should be shooting for in this stringer? What's it supposed to look like?

Also, are we supposed to be cooking the snot out of the gather or taking it easy with heat? My squiggles almost look burned. Should I be working cool?

Lonni

[torchbynight]

Lonni and Mincot, are you sure you're using the handpulled light brown, and not the light amber? Light amber will react HARD with the iris gold and create a not so flattering brown and black.

[Bunyip]

I used Moretti light brown transparent, and dipped it into the iris gold frit a few times. I heated the snot out of it after each dip, put it on the bead and heated it up some more, then encased it.

If you're on a hothead, try turning the flame down a bit to get a more neutral environment. It's been a while but I seem to remember if you turn it down pretty low you could get a small pointy blue flame, or at least I could using mapp gas.

Good luck!

[fritobsessed]

Here's what I got on bases of carnelian, vetrofond odd mosaic green and vetrofond cobalt (sorry - the pic is a little dark - they're much cooler in person):

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I'm on a HH too, and I used the light brown with iris gold frit from val cox (not sure what brand she used). I had used dk iris gold reichenbach when I first tried this, and I didn't like the results nearly as well - got more browns and some yellows, but not the pretty blue/green/purple colors I'm getting now. The iris gold from Val in size 0 actually looks clear. I roll it in frit and melt it in 3 times and when I pull the stringer, it's a pale gold color. I don't necessarily notice a boro-like haze on my stringer, but that didn't seem to matter.

Other colors that this looked good on were vetrofond dark purple and striking red rainbow (not sure if it's the A or B version). Here are some pics of the stringer:

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[FlamingFrog]

Thanks for all the suggestions! I double checked and I am using the transparent brown.

My stringers are looking just like the ones in the picture (thanks for posting that).

I will try turning down my flame to itty-bitty. I am definately not using a low flame....I'm more in the big, honking, up all the way, burn baby burn category.

I'll post back after I've had a chance to try with a smaller flame.

Again, thanks for the suggestions!!!!

Lonni

[FourTailsLampwork]

Thanks! Yes, I am using the hand-puleld transparent brown, and my stringers look like that. I'm using a fairly small flame, but I'll try turning it down as low as it will go.

Ditto posting after a chance to try--thank you!!

[FlamingFrog]

Thank you thank you thank you! It worked!

Mincot - Turn down your flame as low as it will go. Carefully melt the stringer in. As soon as its melted in, remove from flame. I think we were toasting it.

This is awesome!

Now if I just had some sort of stringer control. Right now they look pretty blotchy - but ooooooooohhh the colors!!!!

Lonni

[FourTailsLampwork]

I'm still only getting blues, but that's better than before!!!!! I'll be careful not to toast it.

These are bad pictures, but ... the backgrounds are black, cobalt, dark purple transparent, and ivory. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mincot/Beads/fauxboro2.jpg

Same strand, different light, not better.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mincot/Beads/fauxboro3.jpg

[Donna T.]

Here is my first attempt at this. I thought they came out pretty well though you may not be able to tell from the pictures. they are much prettier in person. I also thought this was one of the easiest techniques I've tried.
I may have done something different, I'm not sure. I didn't have any iris gold but I did find my first jar of frit in the drawer, down in the bottom at the back, but it said "shifting iris." I decided to try it since it had the word iris in it. It looks alot like my raku frit. I used the transparent brown rolled and dipped twice in the frit and pull stringer. Squiggled onto bead, melted in, used neutral flame, encased in clear. I could see some color changing before I encased. Oh, and I'm on a Bobcat.

I liked it the best on black so far(last 3 in picture)
the first one is on transparent cobalt
2nd one is on striking red (only one of 3 that was worth saving, other two were dirty looking) this one could instead be on striking orange, not sure which.
I also did a pendant on black, lots of blues. Can't wait to try this again.

I'm very happy with this technique and will continue experimenting.

[Gardengirl]

Hello :) I have a question- using carnelian as a base- you mean the opalino color, 536? I have some of this at home and never use it.

You're kidding??!!! It's my FAVORITE!
If you ever feel like getting rid of it, ya know.....taking up too much room in your studio or whatever...
Feel free to send it my way :)

BTW....my IR faux boro NEVER looks as good as the ones here. Must be using the wrong flame atmosphere
Gorgeous beadies, everyone@
Jude - yours are AMAZING!!!!!

[Bunyip]

Barbie, Mincot, how's things going for ya?

IMO, you should try using a small flame, but don't be afraid to really heat up the stringer once it's on the bead. The heat is good! The problem is that past a certain point, a hothead torch's atmosphere becomes somewhat reducing.

Have fun!

[Anne Ricketts]

Bumping this back up! I got a set of earring pairs that I'm happy with! I used a boro technique using the iris gold and pale yellow over clear. :grin:

[VivianLampwork]

Those are gorgeous Anne!!! Thanks for sharing them with us!!

[Anne Ricketts]

Thanks Vivian!! :grin:

[dgg112]

Ok Anne, stupid question. if they're over clear how come they're so dark????

[Coffeebean]

beautiful!

[Mopnglo]

I don't know who bumped this up, but Thank you Thank you Thank you! I've been working on this technique all day and love the reaction. Just wish I could encase :(

[Anne Ricketts]

Ok Anne, stupid question. if they're over clear how come they're so dark????

Come down in April and I'll tell ya! :lol: Just kidding! I used silver foil on some of them (forgot that part!) I think its a reaction between the silver and the iris gold/yellow.

[CO_Phantom]

Well, I went to the torch and got the stringer pulled. I used light transparent brown, I think it's hand pulled (freebie from LBSupplys for an order). Rolled it 3 times in Sunglow frit by Glass Diversions and pulled a pile o' stringer. The stringer looks hazy, so I'm going to say it should work! I just pulled stringer and did twisties today. My stringers are usually too thin and the twisties too. So I was trying to practice on that a while.

Can't wait to try those stringers on some beads! I think I might try the suggestions for other iris colors. I just got a TON of Reichenbach colors and I have a mortar and pestle that I can grind up bits of those and see what I can come up with.

This is going to challenge my encasing abilities....Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing. Hee.

-Amy

[Phoenix]

Well, I went to the torch and got the stringer pulled. I used light transparent brown, I think it's hand pulled (freebie from LBSupplys for an order). Rolled it 3 times in Sunglow frit by Glass Diversions and pulled a pile o' stringer. The stringer looks hazy, so I'm going to say it should work! I just pulled stringer and did twisties today. My stringers are usually too thin and the twisties too. So I was trying to practice on that a while.

Can't wait to try those stringers on some beads! I think I might try the suggestions for other iris colors. I just got a TON of Reichenbach colors and I have a mortar and pestle that I can grind up bits of those and see what I can come up with.

This is going to challenge my encasing abilities....Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing. Hee.

-Amy


Sometimes it's fun to mix the iris colors as well - I like using at least two of them in my faux boro beads

Enjoy!

[JenP]

I love this technique! (It's the only thing that gets me to work on my encasing skills, which are pretty basic right now). Sorry for the not so great photos, they are way more spectacular in person!

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(this one is straw yellow rolled in iris gold and made directly into a bead)

[Anne Ricketts]

Wow! Those look awesome! Great job!

[lazlocat28]

being new to beads, i don't know what boro beads look like. so what does it mean to make morretti beads that look like boro beads?

[nagibeads]

lazlocat-
this isn't a bead, but it shows why boro is so fun. All that color is from one rod-- Antique Beauty--a multicolor rod from Momkas glass:
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[Phoenix]

being new to beads, i don't know what boro beads look like. so what does it mean to make morretti beads that look like boro beads?

It refers to a depth and color reflection we don't generally see in 104 glass- here are some examples
http://phoenixartsupplies.com/tutorials/faux%20boro_files/slide0004_image003.jpg

http://phoenixartsupplies.com/tutorials/faux%20boro_files/slide0004_image007.jpg

[Carolyn M]

Go back to the main tips and techniques page, look up and you'll see the boro room. Lots of amazing beads in there!

[LouiseI]

I love this thread and the technique :) I've been using straw yellow and iris gold and experimenting - here are some of my favourites so far -
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[cherie]

I have not been able to get anything from iris gold, silver blue and silver green I can get bluish-green boro effects using just about any color of base. But iris gold wont give me anything...Im still trying to get some pinks and purples. I havent been able to get any at all no matter what I use. The blues and greens look really pretty though!

[Anne Ricketts]

Are you just making straight iris gold stringer? The iris gold has to be with either a pale yellow, straw or pale brown transparents when you pull it into stringer or it won't work!

[anne225]

I am searching and reading this thread....has anyone used this technique on BE glass?? What colors would be used??

I am so challenged ....](*,)


Thanks
Anne

[Phoenix]

I don't think there has been a color combo found to do this on BE - maybe it's a new discovery waiting to be made? Or maybe its lots of time in experimenting to find it can't be done :hide:

eta - some of their silver colors may do something like this - I adore the pics I have seen of those, I juts very rarely use BE

[cherie]

Here are some of my attempts with silver green and blue frit with special brown and straw yellow


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[Anne Ricketts]

Those are pretty!

[cherie]

Thanx Ann...They do look better in person..Im still learning photoshop. I like the ones made with silver better. I would Love to take that class that Andrea Guirino (sp) gives...Ive checked her website and havent seen anything offered yet.

[blueyez]

The Iris Gold you guys are referring to is it #R-217. Just wanted to check before I submitted my next order.

Thanks!!!

[ginko]

I don't think there has been a color combo found to do this on BE - maybe it's a new discovery waiting to be made? Or maybe its lots of time in experimenting to find it can't be done :hide:

eta - some of their silver colors may do something like this - I adore the pics I have seen of those, I juts very rarely use BE

Having nothing to do with this thread---your PM box is full, Jessica.

[Phoenix]

Having nothing to do with this thread---your PM box is full, Jessica.

because if I take them onto my computer I'll lose them - going to empty some right now :-)

[Alison D]

If anyone is working in 96 coe the uroboros 906 staw worked for this also. It really popped over a base of reichenbach garnet.

Alison

[LyndaJ]

Anne, I've done this with Bullseye. (lots - it was my "silver" glass before they came out with Aurora.) I'll just have to dig up the thread.

[LyndaJ]

Oh, and it works with the Uroboros amber (maybe light amber, I don't remember which one I bought) and the "silver" colors.

[LyndaJ]

Here's an old thread on it. My pictures were very poor last year...

You can get this effect in bullseye with almost all the iris Reichenbach, Kugler and Zimmerman colors. I've used lt amber, green tea and regular amber as mix-ins. I still have all these beads (except one that got dropped) and there are no incompatability cracks after 16 months. There's a zimmerman transparant purple iris color that I can't get to work. And iris green bleeds a lot. But the rest are cool.

Here's a list of what works (R=reichenbach, K=Kugler, Z=Zimmerman)
Z672, z682, z705 (Z711 silver amethyst didn't work. It just pitted)
K103, k105, k218
R191, r218 (love this one), r217, r136 (this is the green that bleeds), r8, r211, r145 and the silver crystal (don't have the number)

I'm thinking that all of these have silver in them, and that the amber and straw yellow has germanium. Those two are the elements that give boro amber purple its striking properties. There was an article in the flow about this that I read last fall.
Lynda

[glastrid]

question for anne,

which pale yellow do you use and do you have a colornumber, I love your beads

mine are al with a base of transparant kobalt blue (moretti) and a stringer of light irish gold and ligt transp.brown (018), and encased with laucha clear
and I get beautiful blues and greens

astrid

[Anne Ricketts]

#008 is what I use a lot. :grin:

[Teri.p]

I just got some more of the 018 Transparent Brown, so I've been playing again. Here's Beauregard, made with a black base and Silver Green, Silver Blue and Iris Gold frits over the t.brown, encased with Lauscha.

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Teri P

[rverk47]

love you cats!!!!! i have tried this technique with minimal success..when i make stringer with straw yellow and iris blue and use the stringer over straw yellow and then encase i get a lot of blues, real pretty..i want to be able to work over the striking red or striking orange and get that beautiful pinkish coral color..i think i have had the flame too high..i am going to try it with a very low flame on my hh..hope it works, anybody have any other suggestions??

[Chau Nguyen T]

Thanks you very much for sharing all of the tips and technique. You guys are so generous to pass your precious knowledges to your glass mates.

Since Jude Rose is not around to answer the questions that some of us post. Could some glass masters tell how those beads were made with us? I guess she might mixed all of Iris gold, blue & green strigers on her beads plus some Raku. Is it correct?

Again, thanks millions.

[rverk47]

so far i have had some luck getting iris green, iris bue, and iris gold to work for this boro affect, has anybody had luck with iris violet?? are there any other frits that will work..thanks!!!!!!!!!!!

[LyndaJ]

Renee, I couldn't get the zimmerman iris violet to work. All it did was pit. I listed other ones that have worked for me a couple posts up.

[Kalera]

I am searching and reading this thread....has anyone used this technique on BE glass?? What colors would be used??

I am so challenged ....](*,)


Thanks
Anne

It works just as well on BE, especially using an amber or yellow as the base glass.

[rverk47]

thx!!!!!

[Kalera]

No problem!

I found some that I've done with Bullseye:

http://beadwife.com/xv/shop/images/items/8066.2.jpeg
http://beadwife.com/xv/shop/images/items/9286.2.jpeg

It looks extra cool over one of the avventurine glasses, but I can't find any pictures 'cause I haven't made any in a while and they're all archived now.

[LyndaJ]

It works just as well on BE, especially using an amber or yellow as the base glass.

Yellow???, really??? I may have to try that tonight.

[Teri.p]

love you cats!!!!!

Thanks! Here's another, Horace. HE's silvered ivory and the dots are Silver Green over 018 trans brown. My thanks to Anne R for the inspiration for these dots.

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Teri P

[volkanokaren]

Are iris gold and iris opal the same glass.

Karen
Volkano Exotik

[Blondewyn]

bit of a silly question,
but how much of the stringer do you put on? and can you use opaque colours as the base? I just cant seem to get carnelion to work for me :'(

[Starrr]

bit of a silly question,
but how much of the stringer do you put on? and can you use opaque colours as the base? I just cant seem to get carnelion to work for me :'(

A base of Lapis or Cobalt will give you nice results, River Rock is my favorite. Just keep trying base colors, you'll never know what you might discover.

I like to use thin stringers and swirl them around alot when applying them to the bead. Imagine small, tight "S's" all touching around the entire bead, melt in and encase.

[Phoenix]

bit of a silly question,
but how much of the stringer do you put on? and can you use opaque colours as the base? I just cant seem to get carnelion to work for me :'(

I put on two to three wraps of glass - I work straight from a dipped rod most times

I use lots of trans blues and purples as a base - really just about anything is worth a try

[carolinesbeads]

Hello,
I have been playing around with this effect. I can get some blues when i put it over cobalt but its really really dark, mine don't look all pretty and whispy like everyone elses. I was wondering if you need a kiln to get this effect? All I have is a hothead and some fiber blankets.
Thanks Caroline

[Jgiovacchini]

lynne,

What is the number of the light brown transparent you used to create those beautiful beads.

[bluecatbeads]

Hello,
I have been playing around with this effect. I can get some blues when i put it over cobalt but its really really dark, mine don't look all pretty and whispy like everyone elses. I was wondering if you need a kiln to get this effect? All I have is a hothead and some fiber blankets.
Thanks Caroline

You don't need a kiln I was making them once before I had a kiln to garage in.

As I understand it if the end where you pulled the stringer has an oil-slick look to it your stringer will work.

The best base I have found is Red Copper Green...

I hope to play more with the colors

[castaway]

these are all 104 glass not a difficult effect to achieve.
Bernard

[effemess]

Done on a hothead and then put under a fibre blanket.. Effetre straw yellow base and some kind of lavender Effetre clear..

[glassbead]

So much info here, and such beautiful beads. I'll have to try some of these ideas tomorrow!

[bluecatbeads]

Here are some of mine I just love it.

first one from left has a base of CIM Dusk, the Colbalt transparent then it is Red Copper Green for the last 4.

[Scraphappy]

Hi everybody wow everybody beads look really nice..so I'm kinda ashamed to even post mine but I'm a firm believer on learning from my mistakes..so please help with any suggestions...the top pic I pulled a stringer from light brown and rolled it in iris gold frit on a base of light transparent lavender I think I encased it..then the next one I did on a Carnelian base but are you guys striking the base first before adding the stringer? the last two really did'nt come out at all..
Then the bottom I did a transparentand rooled in raku 00 but those really did'nt come out either..can somebody help me...please...

Thank you
Scrappy

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http://i38.tinypic.com/30kpxdy.jpg

[Baubles by eli]

I made these with Cim Light Lapis and Iris Yellow. I'm not very good at photography because they look better in person.

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[beadmama]

Does the Kugler Iris Gold work the same as the Reichenbach Iris gold for this technique?

Thanks Becky

[Jenn L'Rhe]

Scrappy:
You need to melt a small blob on the end of a rod of straw yellow or tran light brown, dip it in the frit, melt it in, re-dip and remelt a couple more times. Now pull it into stringer. Apply to whatever base color you choose and encase.

Kay

[cherie]

I wonder if gaffer iris gold will work?

[Kalera]

All of the iris golds work pretty well.

[SunDoorBeads]

I just found this thread after trying for months to identify a "mistake" I did and got some cool colors like those! Okay one quick question cuz I love BE glass. Kalera- are you using the 96 glass with the BE? I didn't think you could? Or is it one of the Lustre colors? Thank you in advance I just don't want to waste precious glass!!!!!

[LyndaJ]

You can use the "96" iris colors with "96" amber and other "96" colors for maximum compatibility.

I've doen some with BE that are good 2 years later, and some that cracked after almost a year. If you're going to use it with BE, garage at 970 and use a really slow ramp down.

I have not gotten it to work with the luster colors.

[cheeky monkey]

One of my favorite 'repeatable' effects of this sort :)

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[SunDoorBeads]

Thanks Lynda!! I got some really "boro" like colors very similar to the beads just posted by lazycat. I was using BE colors and silver foil. I have no idea what I slapped on there but it looks very cool. I will try and post pics soon. Lazycat are those 104 or the BE I was asking about? Anyway I love that color combo!!!

[Kalera]

I just found this thread after trying for months to identify a "mistake" I did and got some cool colors like those! Okay one quick question cuz I love BE glass. Kalera- are you using the 96 glass with the BE? I didn't think you could? Or is it one of the Lustre colors? Thank you in advance I just don't want to waste precious glass!!!!!

If you make a stringer using a single layer of one of the iris frit colors (most of the furnace colors are actually 91-94, not 96 COE) over a gather of Bullseye, then lay that stringer over Bullseye and encase it with Bullseye, you should not have any problems... that's what I do if I want to use a BE base color such as one of the avventurines, been doing it for 6-7 years with no issues.

[MardiGrasGlass]

Done on a hothead and then put under a fibre blanket.. Effetre straw yellow base and some kind of lavender Effetre clear.. http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70609&stc=1&d=1224761806


Where had THIS thread been hiding! Gorgeous beads from everyone! I am going to try this the first chance I get.

And I was glad to see that it can be done on a Hot Head!

[fannydotson]

UHHHH...other than boro being hard, and Moretti being soft, what is the difference? How do the beads look different? Does anyone have pics of each showing how they differ? Thanks!

[cherie]

If you go through the entire thread you will see some awesome examples..I think someone even posted some real boro pics compared to faux boro...I love your jewelry in your etsy!

[motheroffire77]

Hi All fellow creative geniuses...
I am facinated with this thread and had to buy the light brown trans to play with. I have been getting some pretty good results trying all your collective techniques. What fun I am having with all the possibilities. :waving: My questions is.. if you started with a base trans bead color that reacts, could you apply the iris orange frit on top of base and cover with the light trans brown or straw yellow and acheive a similar boro affect? (its nice to have opptions...lol. thanks all...off to torch to play some more, I have been up all night and it is 8 pm. , still playing...on a roll.

[motheroffire77]

:roll:UH OOOOO,,, I guessed I scared yall off. LOL

[Firebrand Beads]

LOL! Maybe it was the lack of sleep. ;-D

I think this thread has languished because so many people are now using the silvered 104 colors, and they look so much like boro that you don't have to work so hard at it anymore.

[motheroffire77]

:roll:Hi all, I am getting torch time today....so I am going to try it to c. I will post results

[theglasszone]

Hi All...

I've got a couple questions for ya! First off, do you see the pinks/purples while you are working at the torch? Or do these colors show after annealing and letting the bead cool?

I tried this technique for the first time tonight. I used Transparent Lt. Brown 018 and rolled a gather several times in Iris Gold Powder (don't have frit :(). Pulled a nice stringer and applied it to Striking Red. I did see SOMETHING going on in there - I could see blues and maybe some greens and yellows. I REALLY WANT THE PINKS AND PURPLES! All are in the kiln at the moment...did a couple variations on beads to see how they turned out: one is done like the "Storm" Beads, with dots of the stringer over Striking Red, Over Ivory Dots; one is just Striking Red with the prepared stringer and encased; one is stringer over a base of Lt. Ivory and encased in clear - but it looks mostly brown :(

Really wondering about whether you can see the Pinks/Purples develop while at the torch though.

Thanks!
De

[patezd]

Double Helix "Ekho" is the epitome of boro effects in soft glass for me. I can get gold, pink, purple, blue, and even electric green when encased.

[HWCGlass]

perhaps this was answered in the previous 207 posts somewhere, but why not just work boro?

[likes to make glass stuff]

It doesn't develop during annealing. You can see the colors if you let it cool enough in your hand, but it might give you a thermal crack or two ;)

Reds and purples are really hard with these techniques.

[likes to make glass stuff]

perhaps this was answered in the previous 207 posts somewhere, but why not just work boro?

because it's fun to see what you can convince glass to do, plus you might not have the torch set up for boro. And you might already have the glass for this. ;)

[theglasszone]

perhaps this was answered in the previous 207 posts somewhere, but why not just work boro?

Silly - I'm on a Hot Head! Not conducive to Boro work, ya know!

Besides, I'm a rebel! My family would rather me make "Mock" Apple Pie (it uses NO apples - only Ritz Crackers, lemon juice, Cream of Tarter, cinnamon, etc.) for one of our Thanksgiving Day deserts that a REAL Apple Pie! :lol:

So I guess there's much fun and a keen sense of rebellion in taking one thing and making it look like another - even if it is a bit more work! Sorta like spooky science to me, I guess! :badgrin:

De

ETA: LTMGS, we posted at the same time! Thanks for the input on when you see the colors! I put mine directly in the kiln since plenty of cracked beads has taught me some patience. I was rewarded somewhat this a.m.; just took them out - and ooooo, I DID get some hot pink/purple colors in the "dots" bead I made. Will show pics in a bit. ~De

[theglasszone]

Okie! Here's my first tries! :) Tried a variety of techniques - and the "Dot" over Striking Red definitely had the best effect!

I did a couple Striking Red and Ivory accent beads, then tried the prepared stringer over:

1) Ivory Base - clear encase - ugh! Very "organic" but barely any colors :(
2) Striking Red Lg. Donut - prepared stringer then clear encase - not bad. Some color, mostly pale blue, but kinda dark.
3) Striking Red Base, Black Nebula Dots covered with Ivory Dots; added Striking Red over the Ivory Dots, melted in, then added the prepared Lt. Brown/Iris Gold stringer, marvered/melted in, then clear dot caps.

NOTE: I DARED to use Lauscha Soft Clear 104 for all clear applications; time will tell if there's any compatibility cracks or rejection, but so far, so good! And I'm thrilled with the colors I got on the "Dots" Bead - yummie! I got PINK!!!! Hot, Hot, Hot PINK! Yippee!

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FauxBoro1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FauxBoro7.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FauxBoro5.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FauxBoro6.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FauxBoro2.jpg

WITH FLASH:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FauxBoro9.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FauxBoro10.jpg

Can't wait to try again...it will be either with Transparent Aquas or Transparent Emeralds - or both! :)

Thanks for sharing recipes, techniques and suggestions. I'm thrilled with what I was able to accomplish - even on a Hot Head!

~De

ETA: Yes, there's some bubbles - I think because I used the "Powder" and not the "Frit" - but heck, just couldn't wait to try so used what I had on hand.

[J. Savina]

DeAnne, I like all of them, but I really like the one with the striking red base. The colors that came out of them are so pretty. I'm going to have to try it now.

This is a pandora bead that I made with some of Val's frit. Silver Aqua.
No twisty, but just layers of tranparent brown and the frit and dots of brown and encase. Kinda like the peacock tutorial (http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10119) that I posted a few years ago, but with out raking. I'm going to try a few more of the reduction colors I have for this technique. This was a test bead. Technically not that great, and I chipped it when I added the silver core. But I'm still keeping it cuz I really love this color combination.
I looked through my stash and thought I had the transparent straw color. I don't. So I gotta go get some.

J.

[theglasszone]

Ooo, love this! :) And thank you Jeanette, for your compliments! I'm gonna try Striking Orange and Striking Yellow next!

I tried using Dark Emerald Green last night...made a bunch of "accent" beads as I was SURE the main "Dot" bead was gonna be spectacular! NOT! Funny, but the Dot bead with the prepared stringer looks more "Blue Jean" Blue :lol:

My accent beads were fun, though - I used Lt. Emerald, Gaia, Lt. Yellow/Green, Ivory (Lt. and Curdled) and Hades.

I'll post a pic in a little bit when they're cleaned.

De

[theglasszone]

Ok - here's the "over Dark Emerald" Dot Bead...and see? Looks dark and BLUE - how funny! :lol:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FBGreen1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FBGreen2.jpg

Close up and with flash:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FBGreen3.jpg

But I like the group all together - yeah?

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/theglasszone/Bead%20Photos/Faux%20Boro%20Beads/FBGreen6.jpg

De

[BoulderGlassMonkey]

perhaps this was answered in the previous 207 posts somewhere, but why not just work boro?

BORO MAKE MONKEY ANGRY! (does best frankenstein voice)

FIRE GOOD... BORO BAD...

[theglasszone]

:-s

[Bluejeangirlnc]

Here are some I did with iris gold frit over trans. lt. brown. The first three are done on trans. cobalt bases. The next two were done on trans. green bases and the last was on a red base that I failed to strike properly. I'm working on that. :)

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[Elizabeth Beads]

Try mixing some silver frit in with your Iris Gold and Light Trans Brown. I like Silver Aqua and Silver Amethyst. Also, try some of the other Iris colors, like Iris Violet and Iris Blue. Striking Red is my favorite base, I strike it before I add the stringer and encase. I also like using Uroboros glass for my base, the very dark green and blue transparent work well, as does aqua. In that case I use Uroboros Straw Yellow to make my stringer. :)

For a real pink and violet treat, try encasing Dark Multicolor. Wow.

[cherie]

perhaps this was answered in the previous 207 posts somewhere, but why not just work boro?


I wish I could work boro...boro is expensive..I dont have enough oxygen nor the money to buy boro...unfortunately...

[Almost Gothic]

Iris gold frit - I have COE 96, can I use that w/ Moretti and then encase over the top? I thought mixing the COE's would make it go kablooey. (there's a lotta kablooey up in here to begin with!) Actually, upon further thinking, I'm wondering if I do indeed have COE 96 frit. I bought like 20 bags of iris frit 3 years ago but the COE isn't labeled. Came in little clear baggies w/ white Avery return address stickers that had the color printed on. Sound familiar to anyone? I can post a pic later.

[bastetsbeads]

Iris gold frit - I have COE 96, can I use that w/ Moretti and then encase over the top? I thought mixing the COE's would make it go kablooey. (there's a lotta kablooey up in here to begin with!) Actually, upon further thinking, I'm wondering if I do indeed have COE 96 frit. I bought like 20 bags of iris frit 3 years ago but the COE isn't labeled. Came in little clear baggies w/ white Avery return address stickers that had the color printed on. Sound familiar to anyone? I can post a pic later.

Alexis-

I saw your question while I was rooting around for boro stuff...

It's my understanding that the Reichenbach iris colors (like raku, iris yellow and so forth) probably have lead in them which makes them very "blendable" in terms of COE and so you can "make" them compatible in small amounts without going kablooey. The overall amount used on a stringer applied to a bead wouldn't be that much and so they can swing both ways with the 96 and 104 glass, and I guess Bulleye too.

And some of the effects here are much like the silver glass effects. I think I may have to dig around in my bin again and dig out what's left of my Reichenbach frits and sit and play...just to see if it's really more trouble. :)

[FishBulb]

This is a great thread! Thanks to everyone who posted!

[dragonfly designs 56]

do you mean encase the dark multicolor with the lt transparent brown, and irsi gold??

Try mixing some silver frit in with your Iris Gold and Light Trans Brown. I like Silver Aqua and Silver Amethyst. Also, try some of the other Iris colors, like Iris Violet and Iris Blue. Striking Red is my favorite base, I strike it before I add the stringer and encase. I also like using Uroboros glass for my base, the very dark green and blue transparent work well, as does aqua. In that case I use Uroboros Straw Yellow to make my stringer. :)

For a real pink and violet treat, try encasing Dark Multicolor. Wow.

[FishBulb]

I'll give this thread the ol' bumpitty bump, since I'm going on the torch all day tomorrow and would love to try this while I still remember the instructions.

[Elizabeth Beads]

do you mean encase the dark multicolor with the lt transparent brown, and irsi gold??

I'm just 5 months late with my reply - lol!. No, I meant encase Dark Multi with clear, I like Gaffer clear (using the 96 Coe DM). It's not really a boro look, but it does give pretty violets and mauves.

[kayrein97]

I hope this isn't like beating a dead horse, but, I have read and re read this whole "faux Boro" blog and I think maybe there is still a question about the iris gold, Glass Diversions says use "light iris gold" Are some of you using that or the regular iris gold. Just a thought, wanted to see the differences. I suppose I could do that myself but love to see all your beautiful work too. Love Love Love these reactions, Some days are great for these beads and other days I feel like it's my first time making them. They come out poopy. Thats why I am back to rereading this all again. LOL

[Elizabeth Beads]

Any of the Iris Golds will work, I prefer Dark Iris Gold mixed with other Iris and Silver colors. I just got some Iris Green and I'm looking forward to trying that out. :)

[eileenh28]

First, I love the beads on this thread.

Second, I don't have the light brown or straw yellow so I tried CIM Sepia. I did get some reaction on Vetrofond cobalt and a Devardi green.

Has anyone else tried Sepia? I think I may have to experiment more.

Thanks everybody for this fantastic technique.

[Mountain Snail]

These are not perfect beads, I am learning but I loved the colors I got.

This is The Great Bluedini (CIM) silver leaf, with raku stringer, encased.
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[New2glassgal]

They look awesome Bran. I love the colors you got out of them.

[Mountain Snail]

I love The Great Bluedini, including the name. :lol:

[New2glassgal]

Kandice Seeber did a review on her color addictions blog and I read it yesterday and now tonig you post great beads with it, so, I guess it's only next Frantz order! Does it look like effetres teal or is it more like dark teal or just a totally different color than that so I must get it?

[Mountain Snail]

There are a few shades of it from different batches. I only have one and it is a lovely deep deep blue green.

[kandice]

To me, Great Bluedini is really close to Effetre dark teal - just a slight bit lighter. It's a lovely color. :)

Kandice Seeber did a review on her color addictions blog and I read it yesterday and now tonig you post great beads with it, so, I guess it's only next Frantz order! Does it look like effetres teal or is it more like dark teal or just a totally different color than that so I must get it?

[dianeconroy]

I got some faux boro frit made by That Frit Girl in my AGLF grab bag. I got Magic Blue Iris, Magic Green Iris, Magic Gold Iris blends. I tried them all and they are awesome! They are really easy to use and I got great results. I'll have to try to get pics. If you are trying this and getting frustrated I would recommend you try these!

[VivianLampwork]

Diane, is that a schnauzer in your avatar? I have a schnauzer & he looked like that when he was a puppy. I love schnauzers & this is my 2nd one.

[PaulaD]

You can also get neat reactions with Rubino over SuperNova!

[Marcy]

what's SuperNova?

[Jazarra]

There are probably actually a lot of ways that people stumble upon.

my most recent was a light transparent core...rolled in raku 00 size frit, then I layered a couple transparent dots, and encased...to me they have a boro look to them...I made one dinking around and ended up making a while set.

Wow do you have a tutorial on these . They are beautiful : )

[dianeconroy]

Diane, is that a schnauzer in your avatar? I have a schnauzer & he looked like that when he was a puppy. I love schnauzers & this is my 2nd one.

Sure is! That is my Zoey as a pup, about 7 weeks old, and her BD is this coming Friday. She ended up being about 12-13 lbs right now, her Mom is 17-19 lbs not pregnant. I have her Mother and her Mother is due sometime between the 21st and 24th. We are really excited! We already have homes for 2 definite and strong possiblities for 2 more. (except we need 3 males.....I can just see an all girl litter!)

[Marcy]

Hi Diane, that photo is adorable. Makes me want to make beads out of them.

[dragonfly designs 56]

omg, if you do a tutorial for this i would DEFINITELY BUY IT~!!


I've been playing with the concepts in this thread for awhile and wanted to post some results:

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[Almost Gothic]

Just bought a bunch of stuff to try my hand at this faux boro business. Will post pics when finished!

[bless]

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this is multicolor with iris gold stringer. I only had one hour this morning and I maked the basebead to large for the bubbles, so it cracked after taking the foto :sad:

[fairin]

Love the colours in your bead Bless. It's a shame it cracked.

[beauxartz]

I'm amazed by all the gorgeous beads in this thread. Running off to the studio to try some of the techniques mentioned.

[bless]

tried another, it isn't cracked (till now, but i put it in the kiln of course)
i probably used to much stringer because you don't see the undercolor anymore. have to practice a lot and lot and .....

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and the other side

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