Vet Odd Candy Apple [Archive]

Amethyst_briolette

2007-07-06, 4:58pm

Can someone PLZ tell me why this glass looks so lovely in rod form and on the mandrel and when it comes out of the kiln is is NOT red, it's like opaque orangey salmon with no translucency or shimmer like it is supposed to have?

I made spacers and encased a couple in clear. All came out the same color.

The sparkle tangerine and pineapple sparkle came out normal. Just the red seems to be odd looking.

BTW, pineapple sparkle isn't really all that sparkly but the sparkle tangering is to DIE FOR. Gooorgeous!

AKDesigns

2007-07-06, 6:18pm

Do one test bead and cook the red until it's clear and then strike the color back into it and pop it in the kiln. See how that one turns out.

JavaGirlBT

2007-07-06, 7:06pm

I got some Candy Apple Red that looks just like Orange Punch in the rod; so much so that I think it was a mistake.

sanglass

2007-07-07, 7:19am

I have the same problem with my Candy Apple.

I also have some Orange Punch that seems to go blood red. I wonder if they were somehow mislabeled?
I wouldn't blame them--the rods look so much alike.
(I know I didn't mix them up because I am using the rod with the label from the vendor.)

2007-07-07, 7:38am

dont know about this color but rubies in boro if let sit too long in kiln muddy. they go strike for 10 min only, longer and they get opaque and livery looking. also best if kiln struck and put in kiln clear, flame struck rubies tend to muddy as well. hope someone figures it out, sounds like it should be a beautiful color. are their compatibility issues with any vetrofonds with moretti? i use the clear now only.
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earthandsky

2007-07-07, 9:28am

I got some Candy Apple Red that looks just like Orange Punch in the rod; so much so that I think it was a mistake.

I thought this too. And the way the end of the rod looked after heating, I was sure the rods were mislabeled. But after annealing the beads, I see the rods really were labeled correctly. The Candy Apple Red is a nice, rich, sweet, semi-translucent red. (Enough adjectives there?? :-) ) The Orange Punch came out definitely opaque with reddish and orange streaks.

Laurel, do you also have some "Orange Punch" that you can melt to see if that's really your Candy Apple Red?

As a side note, I soaked some Candy Apple Red beads at 950F for at least 8 hours before annealing for 1 hour at 960F and they're not livery at all. The beads that were in the flame longer seem to be more opaque though.

JavaGirlBT

2007-07-07, 12:43pm

Well, what happened to me was I got my 1/4 lb of each color from Frantz. Then I ordered more when I could from another supplier and I took the "candy apple" and by mistake placed it in the bin with the orange punch. In order to try to determine which rod was which color, I melted each rod of each color into a paddle, and the "candy apple" I got from supplier #2 was identical in every respect to Orange Punch. Supplier #2 was extremely apologetic and kind and sent me more "candy apple" at their own expense which was still identical to the orange punch. So I think that Supplier #2 got the wrong stuff from Frantz.

I have since ordered from Supplier #3, and was sent rods that matched my original Candy Apple.

Amethyst_briolette

2007-07-07, 3:44pm

Nope, I only ordered the three Vet odds, Tang Sparkle, and Candy Apple, sunshine yellow (haven't touched that one yet).

The end of the rod looks red. The beads which were annealed at 950 for about 1hr, only, all ended up a corally orange. There is no shimmer, no richness, no redness.

I'm on a mini CC with 10lpm concentrator turned to 8lpm, and I thought I was using a neutral or oxidizing flame.

I reduced one just to check and I'm not including that one in the 'weird color' thing, because it was intentional.

The orange is excellent though, I really love it. It's shimmery, and orange juicy. NOT thrilled with the pineapple 'sparkle' either.

Amethyst_briolette

2007-07-08, 12:43pm

AKDesigns

2007-07-08, 12:59pm

Ok, heated the SNOT out of the Candy apple and got a mango color when it cooled.

One bead, I dodn't really do much with just a quick wrap and into the kiln is somewhat red, sort of.

SO, What do I do now?

Sorry, it was worth a shot. It sure sounds like you didn't get Candy Apple Red. However, I don't have this color so I'm not much help. I just know that Lauscha transparent red and some other transparent reds like to be worked until clear and then they are a nice rich transparent, non-cloudy red.

Kalera

2007-07-08, 1:58pm

I ordered Orange Punch from Frantz and it comes out looking like this:
http://www.beadwife.com/xv/shop/images/items/8261.3.jpeg
so I assumed I had received Candy Apple by mistake... I really want Orange Punch though!

JavaGirlBT

2007-07-08, 2:33pm

:drool:

Kalera, those beads are gorgeous. I think Frantz has the two colors mixed up, as that's where my Supplier #2 gets their glass.

Corey

2007-07-08, 3:46pm

That is a gorgeous color.

mikefrantz

2007-07-08, 6:04pm

Yes, you are all correct, we did have a mixup with some of the Candy Apple Red. We are now sorting all of the Candy Apple Red. If you ordered Candy Apple Red and got the wrong item, please give me a call or call our sales department and just explain what you ordered and what you got and the best way for us to fix the problem. We want you happy!

mike frantz

Amethyst_briolette

2007-07-09, 12:43am

Ok, See.. Kalera, baby, you got my Candy Apple.. lol Wanna trade for my Orange Punch? I only bought a 1/4 pound though. Still got Half of the tester rod and the rest of the poundage.

suzanne

2007-07-09, 12:52am

That is what I thought, you all got rosehib/orange punch instead of the candy apple

Tink

2007-07-09, 1:21am

Holy geez. That Candy Apple color is deeeeeeeeeeeeelicious! It sure would make some purty vessels...

Bill Thornton

2007-07-09, 9:25am

Thanks Laurel for the link.
I also called Frantz and talked with Tim.
He has informed me of their mistake and I am making my changes on my website and EBAY.
It would have been nice to have been informed by them sooner. Donelle will send out the right color with your current order .
Now I have to figure out who else I have sold some to.
Thanks Laurel,
Bill Thornton Toll Free Number in the USA 1-877-477-5669

HONEYBUNNY72_99

2007-07-09, 5:05pm

Holy Crap Kalera that is a gorgeous gorgeous color!!!

HONEYBUNNY72_99

2007-07-09, 5:13pm

Well I finally caved and bought Candy Apple, Banana Cream and Tangerine Sparkle

Kalera

2007-07-09, 5:55pm

I am OK with my Candy Apple Red as long as my new order (which UPS for some reason thinks they "can't deliver") has the Orange Punch in it! :)

HONEYBUNNY72_99

2007-07-09, 9:43pm

I will be stalking the mailman!

yeepers

2007-07-14, 10:35am

OK....I made beads with my new "Orange Punch" and got beads that look like Kalera's. So.....does that mean I got Candy Apple Red?

Booo....

-Yee

Three Muses Glass

2007-07-14, 11:02am

I just did the same thing Yee! I was wondering why it didn't look anything like orange punch but after the name fish pink.....*shrug*
So I got candy apple instead of orange punch too. I kinda like it now that I know.:)

suzanne

2007-07-14, 11:43am

the beads Kalera made are candy apple

here are two pics to help you compare side by side

70580

this is orange punch

70572
and this is candy apple.

* sorry, big pics, I know*

Nicker

2007-07-14, 11:48am

Yup my orange punch appears to be candy apple too..........sigh............it's hard enough keeping track of all the colors I wish everyone would use the same name and number to make things easier.

Deb

2007-07-14, 11:35pm

Phoenix

2007-07-14, 11:42pm

Sigh... I think I got candy apple instead of orange punch, too. So now I've mixed my orange punch from my first order with candy apple from my second order. Great.:rolleyes: Is there any easy to sort them?

I was told that the Candy Apple are more translucent, have a thinner color core in the middle and the orange punch have more rod to rod variation.

Kalera

2007-07-15, 12:05am

I got my Orange Punch... the Candy Apple is very translucent and deep red, and the Orange Punch Has a lot of opacity, so you can tell right away when you heat them!

HONEYBUNNY72_99

2007-07-15, 8:37am

I can't wait to melt this glass!I hate the weekends LOL DH always has me doing a million things when all I wanna do is melt glass!
Tina

Nicker

2007-07-15, 8:49am

So I guess we have to heat the end of each rod to figure out what is what?? Anyone have a pic of both rods heated and labeled that knows what they are supposed to look like?

Kalera

2007-07-15, 8:58am

Yeah it pretty much looks like you'll have to heat each rod... they're so similar in the rod that I can't see how you would tell otherwise. :( I'll try to remember to take a pic later... but the Orange Punch turns opaque right away, you can really tell the difference once you heat it.

JavaGirlBT

2007-07-15, 10:53am

I have the rods with the ends melted. I also have a mandrel with a bead of each color on it. I'll take a picture if you want.

And it looks like the third 1/2 lb I got from supplier #3 is in fact not Candy Apple, it's Orange Punch. Boo.

JavaGirlBT

2007-07-15, 11:09am

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The rod and bead on the left are Orange Punch. The rod and bead on the right are Candy Apple Red. The key difference, besides the color and the opacity, is that the OP gets a little white haze between the melted part of the rod and the non-melted part of the rod, whereas the CAR does not. That's how I tell the difference at a glance after I've melted it.

Nicker

2007-07-15, 2:40pm

Thanks Ellen that'll really help. I'll heat the ends and relabel everything :roll:

Phoenix

2007-07-15, 7:03pm

Phoenix

2007-07-15, 7:29pm

Ellen- I may love you- I have two batches of glass here that are identical in rods- but only one has the white line- I may have mine sorted now. Since my third batch was a completely different color I was pretty sure the first two were the same glass- but it looks like they were different and there's a bigger rod difference than I thought with Orange punch. I'll confirm with Frantz tomorrow- but I'd sure like to get this sorted!

Bear Rampant Glass

2007-07-15, 8:26pm

Great tip, Ellen! Off to check my rods now too.

HONEYBUNNY72_99

2007-07-16, 5:03pm

I made a shell this morning with Candy Apple:)I will post a pic once it is cleaned. I hope I didn't burn in with my HH.

Jane P

2007-07-16, 7:09pm

Yep, my Orange Punch is also actually Candy Apple Red - it really is rich and yummy looking when made up. Hope I can get some Orange Punch though. All these fruity and food names are making me hungry!

ziggys

2007-07-18, 1:13am

My Candy Apple Red is really Orange Punch. :)
Now I know for sure. Thanks!
Angela

josielv

2007-08-03, 6:31pm

has frantz done anything to correct the orders?? I have contacted them, but haven't heard anything back??

Kalera

2007-08-03, 9:57pm

They replaced mine... try contacting them again, your message might have gotten lost.

Kaye

2007-08-03, 10:22pm

I heard that there was a mix up between the two.
so you might indeed have orange punch instead of candy apple

Toni L.

2007-08-04, 1:58pm

79533

I didn't know which I had until I got these back from Tink's class a couple of weeks ago - looks like I got the right color...

2nd row, 2nd vessie - candy apple red and black...I like it!
:love:

josielv

2007-08-04, 6:19pm

ohhh toni, love the second one over on the top

Just Nancy

2007-08-04, 6:24pm

Toni L.

2007-08-04, 8:39pm

Thanks Josie! :love:

DesertDreamer

2007-08-04, 10:24pm

OMG I want both! Does anyone still have either???

Phoenix

2007-08-05, 10:53am

My orange punch came out red. I haven't melted my candy apple yet. I'm wondering about the mix up too. I think they looked similar. I'll have to check. What a bummer. Pretty colors, just have to sort it out I guess.

Some of what I had in stock looked almost identical uintil it was melted- the ring at the end was the only way to verify I had everything all sorted out with some I had pulled as individual rods for myself.

If yours came from me you should have an email with the details of your batch and whether your color was correct or not. I suspect most vendors contacted their customers the same way. If you send them an email maybe they can pull what you have based on when you bought it?

Phoenix

2007-08-05, 10:53am

OMG I want both! Does anyone still have either???

Both in stock and 10% off this month :-)

Reenie

2007-08-05, 9:56pm

Phoenix

2007-08-05, 10:13pm

I think I got mixed up colors too. I put both up to the light...The Candy apple looks orange when put up to the light and the orange looks almost opaque and darker..is this right?
I think I need to relabel alot of glass lol.
Irene

Don't use the appearance test- I have some that I can still lay down knowing what they are and you'd swaer the orange punch is red candy apple- so although most can be determined that way- not all

Take one out of your batch and melt the end and look for the ring described up thread a bit- it's tested out in all mine as the best way to tell them apart.

Reenie

2007-08-05, 10:35pm

Thanks Jessica...I'll try that in the morning. I've got 10 lbs left of each so that's a whole lot to sort out and the rods have different variations. I don't know how I never noticed how similar they were before but man, side by side, they are almost identical!
I'll call in the morning and see if I can get another batch.

Irene

DesertDreamer

2007-08-05, 11:35pm

Both in stock and 10% off this month :-)

Uh-oh, I Shopped! ;) Thank you!

Just Nancy

2007-08-06, 10:15am

If yours came from me you should have an email with the details of your batch and whether your color was correct or not. I suspect most vendors contacted their customers the same way. If you send them an email maybe they can pull what you have based on when you bought it?
Thanks. No it did not. (Almost did but for some reason I went with someone else.)

My beads look like the CAR beads. The embarassing part is I don't remember if I ordered the red. If I did I'll just test each rod and look for Ellen's white stripe. I can relabel easily enough. If not I'll have to check with my supplier.

Reenie

2007-08-06, 11:13am

Waiting for beads to cool but I tested 3 rods so far. One was a very translucent orange....One was a transulcent...darker orange/red and the other one was opaque. The opaque one and the darker orange red rod both have the white stripe but alas the translucent really orange one does not. So that means I have about 10 lbs of each color that are mixed.
Should I burn each rod or just go by the color test now that I've got them all separated by rod color???
If anyone purchased the color and got the wrong one....please let me know.
Thanks
Irene

josielv

2007-08-06, 11:25am

me, but i got mine from frantz

elasia

2007-08-21, 5:08pm

mine ARE right, but the rods...the red looks orange, orange is red :lol:

if you hold them up to a light you'll see a core in the candy apple red.
(note in pics the orange one is candy apple lol)
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m169/elasiabeads/punch_candy.jpg
R=Candy Apple, L=Orange Punch

oh and my candy apple looks nothing like kalera's..geez woman.
i have to try again, my first and only is yuck color.

gubnavnania

2008-03-16, 2:07pm

Sorry for resurrected this thread. But I need to confirm it before I talk to 1 of the vendor.

Do I get orange punch instead of red candy apple?

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u249/gubby_design/jewellery464.jpg

Phoenix

2008-03-17, 6:54am

That does appear to be Orange punch based on the white ring. I mentioned up thread that I tested mine and that was the most consistant tip given. The bead is lovely