NEW GLASS COMPANY!!!! Wahoo!!! [Archive]

LAG

2005-10-13, 8:18am

I posted some S&T last night and WOW....have had so many PM's about who this glass company is (and since LE is more forgiving than WC) I thought I would post it in an open forum. Hope I don't get pulled...
www.pi-glass.com

Elisha will take your order. They have a sample pack with many more colors than their website shows. And their service was lightning fast! I ordered and had my glass in hand the next day!!

96 COE and their colors are like none I have seen elsewhere. A little stiff to work so there will be a learning curve. But it is more forgiving than 104. Not as shocky.

Maybe I should post this in the technical forum also... hmm....

I don't know these guys, not related in anyway, but just want to share a great glass find to all my lampworking friends...

Mr. Smiley

2005-10-13, 8:49am

Thanks for sharing and it won't get pulled here. Boy, you guys are gun shy- LOL

I haven't worked with it, but want to. Have heard a ton of good things about this glass. :D

beadstillmyheart

2005-10-13, 8:53am

Holy moley....look at the colors http://www.pi-glass.com/html/allcolors.html

GinnyHampton

2005-10-13, 9:01am

Oooooooh - - - Bengal, Butternut and Transylvania are delicious :) Oh and Persimmon!!

Question since I can't find it - - -can I stick 96 COE in my kiln at the same temperature that I do w/ moretti?? I think my kiln is set at 960.

kandice

2005-10-13, 9:07am

Nice! I like the greens especially, and the blackberry. I'll definitely look into this when they start to widen their palette. Love the website!

LAG

2005-10-13, 9:09am

I have always used the same annealing schedule but maybe someone else could chime in here with more technical info.....

beadstillmyheart

2005-10-13, 9:12am

Nice! I like the greens especially, and the blackberry. I'll definitely look into this when they start to widen their palette. Love the website!

Yea, I noticed they were low on the pinks...but I'm a blue-aholic and Fossil speaks to me.

robinbrown

2005-10-13, 9:13am

beautiful colors!

jokersdesign

2005-10-13, 9:18am

Yeah baby, more ass. Oops, more glass

jhana

2005-10-13, 10:00am

Pi is the same as Uroborus? That's not my understanding. Please clarify and inform me, anyone.

msjjjj

2005-10-13, 11:17am

Pi is not the same as Urorobos...

Marjorie

jhana

2005-10-13, 11:18am

That's what I thought. Thanks.

WhiskerWood

2005-10-13, 11:22am

I bought a sample pack at the Gathering... I have not used it yet.
The company is based in Seattle but the glass is made in China.
The fact that it is manufactured in China makes me not very interested in using it...

Brad Pierson has done color testing for them.

Here are other threads on pi-glass:

http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2968&highlight=glass+china

http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5542&highlight=glass+china

kimberly

2005-10-13, 11:23am

The glass is Spectrum's System 96 rods...made by Uroborus. You can buy it from most glass retailers.

I would be very interested to know where you obtained this information. I will be asking Pi glass directly when I go vist them next week. Also, for future reference, the correct spelling is "Uroboros". Only one "u".

Anne Ricketts

2005-10-13, 11:27am

I bought a sample pack at the Gathering also! I've made 2 spacers so far and they did fine with annealing at 960 degrees. They told me that it would do fine at that temp! I also talked to them about getting more pinks and purples and they are working on it!!

kimberly

2005-10-13, 11:33am

You know, all things considered, it is great to live in the PNW!!!!! We have glass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anne Ricketts

2005-10-13, 11:35am

:moon: :moon: :moon:

kimberly

2005-10-13, 11:37am

:-({|= :badgrin:

:love:

Anne Ricketts

2005-10-13, 11:38am

:razz: [-X :P

kimberly

2005-10-13, 11:42am

:moon: :moon: :moon:

:P:P

\\:D/\\:D/\\:D/\\:D/\\:D/

You know where this is headed, don't you???

jhana

2005-10-13, 11:42am

You have glass and Salmon fishing and beautiful scenery, the best backroads and produce stands anywhere, hotsprings, the Columbia river , OHHHH the coast , and I'm making myself sick. I have region envy. Stop it now.Please.

kimberly

2005-10-13, 11:44am

jhana

2005-10-13, 11:45am

That never bothered me. Ummm, can we all say branching? tangential? hijack?

kimberly

2005-10-13, 11:48am

That never bothered me. Ummm, can we all say branching? tangential? hijack?

LOL!!! Yes, we can say all of them!!! LOL!!!

beadstillmyheart

2005-10-13, 11:55am

I would be very interested to know where you obtained this information. I will be asking Pi glass directly when I go vist them next week. Also, for future reference, the correct spelling is "Uroboros". Only one "u".

OK, so as a newbie I am really confused. Should we be buying glass that is only made in Italy or here? If something is made in China is it automatically bad? What's the scoop on Pi...their website is great, and the colors seem really good too (I'm a blue fanantic). Do companies like Jodel and Howaco distribute Chinese made glass? Should I care? So many questions.....

Anne Ricketts

2005-10-13, 12:22pm

:moon: :moon: :moon:

:P:P

\\:D/\\:D/\\:D/\\:D/\\:D/

You know where this is headed, don't you???
Yeah but I was gonna be nice!!! ROFL!!

kimberly

2005-10-13, 12:26pm

Sigh...............I might as well finish it. I hate being the bad guy all of the time. And I am such a nice person most of the time. O:) See what you have driven me to do??? You should be ashamed of yourself.

:flip:

:devang:

SuzyQ

2005-10-13, 12:44pm

That is the best looking color chart I have ever seen! The names are fun. They show you the color in a rod and in a bead. Love it! Now I want to try it.

WhiskerWood

2005-10-13, 12:52pm

OK, so as a newbie I am really confused. Should we be buying glass that is only made in Italy or here? If something is made in China is it automatically bad? What's the scoop on Pi...their website is great, and the colors seem really good too (I'm a blue fanantic). Do companies like Jodel and Howaco distribute Chinese made glass? Should I care? So many questions.....

Kendra, I have issues with China, that is why I do not think I will be buying any more of this glass...
I do own things made in China, unfortunately sometimes there is not a choice like with Lark Books.
If there is a choice on where to spend my money, and with glass there is, I will choose to spend my money elsewhere.
This is my personal choice, nothing more...

midniteburner

2005-10-13, 12:58pm

Holy Moly!!!!!!!!!!! Woo, see those colors??? Too Hot!!!!!!!

Sara

beadstillmyheart

2005-10-13, 1:11pm

Kendra, I have issues with China, that is why I do not think I will be buying any more of this glass...
I do own things made in China, unfortunately sometimes there is not a choice like with Lark Books.
If there is a choice on where to spend my money, and with glass there is, I will choose to spend my money elsewhere.
This is my personal choice, nothing more...

Fair enough...I just wasn't sure if there were other issues that I wasn't aware of...like Chinese glass technical problems or whatever. I had no idea that ANY glass rods were made in China, thought they were all European made. Shows me what I (think I) know. Thanks.

BiaggiaBeads

2005-10-13, 1:15pm

Holy Moly!!!!!!!!!!! Woo, see those colors??? Too Hot!!!!!!!

Saraoh yeah! Very cool fall colors too!! 8)

lunesse

2005-10-13, 1:16pm

Sometimes it's good to just plain buy American, or as local as you can. I'm a big proponent of local buying, less trucks, less planes, less gas, less environmental impact, all while supporting the American worker. So that could be another reason, beyond the issues specifically located in China.

So Kendra, my point is, for some I guess it might be lifestyle/philosophy thing, for others, how they do biz and what they pay, etc. in China. And beyond. =)

jhana

2005-10-13, 1:21pm

For some people the human rights abuses, child labor, total government control thing factors in as well.

beadstillmyheart

2005-10-13, 1:32pm

For some people the human rights abuses, child labor, total government control thing factors in as well.

RIGHT...I totally understand what you are Lunesse are saying. I guess what was confusing me is that I THOUGHT I was buying european glass and maybe I had been buying Chinese glass. I was hoping to get a better understanding of where the distributors (Frantz, Jodel, Howaco, etc.) get the glass. Had NO CLUE that China was a potential supplier. I really want to be able to say that the glass is Czech or Italian made or whatever with a clear conscience.

Anne Ricketts

2005-10-13, 1:39pm

Awww Kimberly you know I love ya, flippy guy and all!! :kiss:

Janine

2005-10-13, 1:42pm

I had no idea that some glass came from China. I assumed it was some variety of European or North American. Thanks for the question, Kendra.

kimberly

2005-10-13, 1:54pm

Awww Kimberly you know I love ya, flippy guy and all!! :kiss:

:kiss: back at ya!!!

Kamaranoir

2005-10-13, 2:03pm

Thanks for sharing and it won't get pulled here. Boy, you guys are gun shy- LOL

Can you blame us LOL We straggle here battered and bruised from other forums where they just arent as nice <sniffle - cry> We arent used to such nice moderators! <cackle>

Took me awhile to get on the site boy for dial up it loads slow. I will try later, sometimes my stupid phone lines dial on faster later at night. The colors sound great <G>

Penelle

Michelle Bryant Designs

2005-10-13, 2:10pm

I think that Kinari glass (similar to Satake) is manufactured in China, largely for Japanese consumption...

And man, does it drip! :razz:

Just Nancy

2005-10-13, 2:39pm

RIGHT...I totally understand what you are Lunesse are saying. I guess what was confusing me is that I THOUGHT I was buying european glass and maybe I had been buying Chinese glass. I was hoping to get a better understanding of where the distributors (Frantz, Jodel, Howaco, etc.) get the glass. Had NO CLUE that China was a potential supplier. I really want to be able to say that the glass is Czech or Italian made or whatever with a clear conscience.
To the best of my knowledge (but I've been wrong before) the Vetrofond and Moretti/Effetre are Italian. Lauscha is German. Czech glass is (I'll never be able to spell this) Czechlovician (you get the point I hope). Satake is Japanese. Uroboros, Wasser, Spectrum and Bullseye are American.

There was a thread a while ago at WC about glass brands. I don't recall it mentioning where it all comes from. To the best of my knowledge all these companies make their own glass. So any glass from Frantz, JoDel, Colored Sands, Howaco, etc labelled Lauscha (for example) is German. So if one of these companies starts selling the PI glass and if it is Chinese then they will carry Chinese glass. I'm not aware that anything they carry now is.

Does that help?

boobiebeads

2005-10-13, 2:44pm

Hey you forgot Caliente Cane, made in Canada, that's okay I forgive you ;-) . Really just a shamless plug for my glass!

Michelle

jhana

2005-10-13, 2:57pm

One could not exist in the modern world without using Chinese goods. It's just a drag that these conditions continue.

Gail Joseph

2005-10-13, 3:33pm

Well, I'll shamelessly plug too..... GG Glass is made by ME right here in New England!!!

LAG

2005-10-13, 7:23pm

This thread turned out totally hysterical... you guys are too fun...
And now I am curious because I heard some totally different story on who makes this glass and I will ask questions. None-the-less...great colors... Kimberly have a ball. I think Kathy Johnson is going there also. Karen and I are going there next Wed. Kimberly, I am PMing you.....

kimberly

2005-10-13, 8:15pm

Where oh where is my PM???

WhiskerWood

2005-10-13, 8:51pm

Kikki

2005-10-14, 1:47am

When I started lampworking I was warned on WC! against using something called PIG-sticks or something like that. It was, if I understood correctly, a really nasty type of Chinese glass. Cheap, though. Anyone remember that?

Are we sure this is not the same stuff? The names are so close...

cghipp

2005-10-14, 7:54am

Kiki, I keep thinking of that when I see the name, too. But the PI glass is nothing like the PIG sticks, based on what I've heard about those. I think "PIG" stood for "Priceless International Glass."

Courtney

LAG

2005-10-14, 7:55am

Where oh where is my PM???

ah yah..
It was sent in the ultimate PM section of your computer.... tada!!

I see you found it now.. Good morning, Kimberly..

DesertDreamer

2005-10-14, 7:58am

Oh gods, I remember PIG sticks! What horrible stuff that was. Some of the colors were really lovely (I still pine for Moonstone) but it had major compatibility issues, a lot of it was shocky as hell, and it all looked like it was packed in camel dung. Blech! I think it was from India. It was the most frustrating stuff I've ever used.

I twitched when I saw PI Glass, but realized very quickly that it's not the same stuff. Whew! Now, to sell some beads so I can buy some to try out!

LAG

2005-10-14, 8:36am

I just received this email from PI Glass Co. in regards to who makes it:

And I quote

"No, it's not true. We are compatible with 96 COE glass. We are a new company
with a new formula. Pi Glass is not affiliated with Uroboros.
The glass IS made in China. I'm sorry I wasn't clear on that. We
have a partner living there, working directly with the factory. She has been
developing the product for the last 2 years and is very involved there. In
fact, one of the great things about that is we can develop custom colors and
be a part of the development from start to finish."

I received a phone call from a dear friend who is a glass chemist highly recommending these people for their product. And I didn't even ask about them. She saw I was trying their glass and thought she would call me and give me some inside information about the owner. And it was all good. I was elated to here about it.

Hope this clarifies things on where this glass is produced.... and please don't start any wars here. It is your choice to try this glass or not and your decision is totally respected.

And thanks to Ron Bearer for the kudos he sent about this company...

Jamn!

2005-11-02, 11:45pm

I clicked on the link to check for Moonstone glass.... anybody anybody????

heard of that?

Oh and Kim we have SUN down here lol :grin: \\:D/

jaxglass

2005-11-03, 2:04am

All of those cool Kugler/furnace glass frits that you have been using and observing the 15/85 percent rule with can go out the window with
PI glass. The COE 96, as I understand it, gets you that much closer to your frit and base glass being compatable! I haven't worked with the PI glass yet, but, my sources tell me that you can get colors not available in the Italian palette, the glass is not shocky, and not prone to boiling, and is a dream to work. Who knows, My COE 104 is getting closer to going by the wayside. I fuse too, so, If I could evertything COE 96, I'd be a happy camper!

I intend on trying it, and hoping for the best!