Silver Color Reference Guide

[Hayley]

With suppliers naming their silver glass differently, I have compiled some of the available information. I hope to update this frequently.

Reference

Double Helix (Jed and Julie)
http://www.doublehelixglassworks.com/
See Distributors link on Double Helix website

Reducing
Aion 2
Elektra 2
Gaia
Kronos 2
Nyx
Olympia Rain (discontinued)
Psyche
Triton

Striking
Khaos
Luna 2
Pandora (kiln strike at 1000F for four hours)
Terra (discontinued)
Terranova 2

Double Helix Test Batches
For color photos of paddles (no paddle pix for the Gathering odd/test batches):
http://seraphimflameworks.blogspot.com/2008/05/double-helix-oddlots-test-batches.html#links
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1856063&postcount=158
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1856413&postcount=185

Double Helix Odd/Test Lots – September 2008
Note: not repeating the ones that were available at the Gathering in August

Striking
H-229 – Amber Purple
TN-219 – Terranova 2 prototype

Kiln Striking
HM- 206 – Silvered hematinones
HM- 210 – Silvered hematinones

Reducing
CL- 171 – Copper silver luster
A-230 – Clear luster
M-232 B – Pinky, purple luster
SL- 173 – Triton prototypes
SL-188 – Triton prototypes
Triton Odd Lot

Double Helix Odd/Test Lots – August 2008 at the Gathering

Striking
HM-196 – Silvered hematinones
HM-207 – Silvered hematinones
TN-212 – Fast striking Terranova 2 prototype
T-217 – A light, pastel Terranova 2 prototype
T-218 – A light, pastel Terranova 2 prototype
R-170 – An opaque silver copper strike
R-170B – An opaque silver copper strike
L2 Light – A lighter variation of Luna 2
L2 Dark – A darker variation of Luna 2

Reducing
NEO-152 – A transparent blue/violet luster
SL-189 – A Triton Prototype
Psyche Dark – A darker variation of Psyche

Kiln Striking
P-119 – A Pandora prototype
Pandora Light – A lighter variation of our new Pandora


Double Helix Odd/Test Lots – May 2008

KH-133 – Alabaster Khaos
L-143 – Extra Light Luna2
M-166 – Pinky Purple Super Luster
RH-169 – Silvered Emerald – coral strike
RH-193 – Silvered Hematinone – kiln strike for corals
RH-198 – Silvered Hematinone – kiln strike for corals
RH-204 – Opaque Silvered Ruby
RH-209 – Silvered Hematinone – kiln strike for corals
SL-194 – Triton and Elektra blend
T-106 – Ivory Luster
T-114 – Ivory Luster
T-96A – Amber Luster
T-96B – Terra type
T-96C – Terra type Amber Luster
TN-200 – Terra style striking color
TN-202 – Terra style striking color
TN-203 – Terra style striking color
VK-192 – Brick Red Hematinone strikes to cinnamon coral
VK-211 – Brick Red


Double Helix Odd/Test Lots – December 2007

The H series is the beginning of our Khaos testing.
H-118
H-118
H-122
H-123a
H-123b

The Ks vary.
K-102 – was playing with the K-65 formula which was the silver saturated Kronos. It should be reduced.

K-105, 108, and 109 – are testing a more opal color. K-108 should be reduced and 105 and 109 you can try either but striking is best.

K-112 – was supposed to be one thing but when Jed came in the next morning he noticed something that was supposed to be in the furnace still sitting on the table! Woops. It should be reduced.

K-113 – is an experiment with a secret ingredient. The one Jed left on the table in K-112. K-113 can be reduced or struck.

K-115 & K-116 – are in betweens. The result of beginning our H testing in our K pots. They should both be struck.

Terra Odds
OG Terra
T-98
T-101
T-104
T-105
T-107
T-110
T-111

Double Helix Odd/Test Lots – Summer 2007

Aion 2 Odd – A blue tinted Aion 2
C-70 – A pearly silver luster
C-71 – A silver luster
C-75 – A bit like Opal Yellow
E-64 – Elektra 2 text that is medium blue and doesn't boil
E-67 – Elektra 2 test that is pale blue and doesn't boil
K-65 – Kronos 2 with an overdose of silver!
K-66 – Kronos 2 that opacifies
Nys Odd – Lusters like regular Nyx but doesn't fade to blue when kiln struck
T-25 – Opaque brown rods that will luster
T-26 & T-28 – Transparent broan rods that will luster


GTG 104 (George Tessman)
http://www.dichroicimagery.com/
http://www.howacoglasssupplycompany.com/
(Please google search for other distributors)

Reducing
Black Nebula
Green Envy
Honey Mountain

Other
Hamon Encasement Crystal


Precision 104 (Abe)
http://www.fineartbyrocio.com/
http://www.dichroicimagery.com/
http://www.frantzartglass.com/
(Please google search for other distributors)

Reducing
Black Pearl
Chagall
Dark Lime Aventurine (odd)
daVinci 1
Frida Sunset
Garzoni / Botero*
Hurricane Rumble
Ivy
Kandinsky
Matisse
Sashas Silver / Michelangelo*
Rembrandt / Miro Silver Emerald*
Monet
Peridot
Picasso
Silver Mist / Rocio Silver Mist*
Sissley
Unknown Artist
Waterfall

Striking
daVinci 2
Sashas Silver / Michelangelo*
Silver Stone
Van Gogh

Other
Diamond Clear


StrikingColor (Brad)
http://strikingcolor.com/

Striking (not currently in production)
A7 Pele Odd
A8 Hualalai
A829 Pele
B1-S Molokini Odd
902 Haleakala


TAG 104 (Paul Trautman and Jenny)
http://www.taglass.com/
See Distributors link on Tag website

Reducing
Blue Buddha
Cezanne
Renoir
Taxco Silver
Zeus

Striking
Black Cherry / Red Clay* (strikes in kiln)
Dalai Lama
Tibet / Dali*

Other
Oxblood / Black Cherry*
Super Clear

TAG Odd/Test Batches
Carnival
Deep Purple / Purple Davine*
Fire Opal
Green Dalai
Green Silver Leaf
Grey Llama
JD Mix
Juno
Lake Geneva
Montreux
Neptune
Silver Fir
Taxco Azul
Transcendental
White Llama
Zeus-Dalai

* alternate name at fineartbyrocio.com

[artsyuno]

Link's not working. :(

[Hayley]

I decided to post the reference here!

[artsyuno]

Awesome! Thanks.

[mtnglass]

Hayley, you are the best! Thank you for taking the time to produce a chart that is very handy to have out in the shop.

Julie

[technicaltess]

Haley are you sure about the hurrricane rumble? It reduces beautifully to a blue mirror finish.

[technicaltess]

Also, It boils easily so I found working it far out in the flame and then reducing is the way to go.

[Hayley]

Thank you for catching that . . . yes, Hurricane Rumble is a reduction color! Sorry!

Did you get the discounted odd? I got that and it boils so much that I gave up!

[technicaltess]

Just work it way out in the flame it turns out so nice! Of course, I am partial to blue.

[Hayley]

I may try again one day. . . but with so many gorgeous blue silver glass available that don't boil . . . guess I just don't have any patience! lol!

[Flame Crazy]

Man, my head is spinning! I've got 2 silver colors (terra & psyche). Oh, I think I may have some Rocio silver mist laying around too! I need to go glass shopping!

[tt4st]

Very helpful... thanks Hayley!

[Firebug]

Great job Hayley - thanks so much for putting this together in one handy place!

Cheers
Kathy

[hooked on glass]

thanks Hayley, this is so helpful, now I want to buy more glass!
Barb

[melissabeads]

Thanks Hayley.. this is very helpful! Now I need to order some more glass!! :-)

[Hayley]

Thanks everyone!

I need to update the list . . . again. . . ugh . . .

[Hayley]

Hey anyone used these? Need to know if they are striking or reducing!

[ElvisSOFTRuby B01] $80.00
ELVIS RUBY SOFT GLASS RODS
104 COE RUBY SEMI-TRANSPARENT COLOR ROD.

GT GREEN ENVY 104 COE
[GTGGNENVYRD B01] $60.00

[fritobsessed]

On the Green Envy send a PM to Just_Nancy - she's got some and has been playing with it.

[Julz]

Great reference Hayley.

I think I have some Green envy- from before it came on the market. I was told it reduces to a red. Maybe that should be on my list for today.

[beadgal]

Haley, I have found that Blue Buddha isn't the same as Cezanne. I bought some thinking it was, and was very disappointed.

[Hayley]

That's curious coz I was told that by a reliable source. Do you mind posting pix of your bead and the rod please? Thx!

[Hayley]

Great reference Hayley.

I think I have some Green envy- from before it came on the market. I was told it reduces to a red. Maybe that should be on my list for today.

It would be great if you can let me know! Thx!

[StOrM]

so what about all the other glass that has metal effects....like ivory, and ice yellow.....turquoise......is there anyway we know which ones will react and which ones won`t?

[Hayley]

Storm - this is only a reference for silver glass and the names, retailers and manufacturers, etc. . . . and not for reactive glass.

[beadgal]

Hayley, I think it was Paulas (Flamedame) thread. She was selling BB as Cezanne and the maker of the glass said the formula was different.

[Hayley]

Thanks, Cherie . . . I will add a note to the reference! I just looked at her test bead on her site and it does look different from the Cezanne I used.

[beadgal]

I always love the glass that won't be reproduced or was a fluke. If anyone has some lying around, I will buy it. I'd love to find more.
Hayley, it was great of you to go through all the work. Thank You!

[ginger2]

Wow! You've really done a lot of work to figure all of this out! Thanks for posting this great list, as I'm on a pretty tight budget. When I get my hands on a rod or so, I don't want to blow it, just finding out how to use it.
Thank you very much for the comprehensive list,
ginger:biggrin:

[Hayley]

Thank you everyone. I got a couple of PMs regarding getting colors on Khaos. This is what I wrote back - thought I would share it here in the thread for those who may be interested. (This is been posted lots before by others who have had success with striking silver glass.)

The trick to getting colors on all striking silver glass is to heat and cool and heat and cool repeatedly. The first heat must be so hot that the surface of the glass turns translucent (almost droopy) - then cool until the glow is gone (do the under the table test). Reheat starting at the tip of the flame (as not to thermal shock), then bring the bead in closer to normal range, you don't need to heat it as much the second (and subsequent) time. When you cool it again, it should be dark brown. If it's not, then you didn't heat it hot enough the first time (in this case heat it again to translucent).

If you have dark brown after the first strike. Cool and heat again and you should get dark purple, repeated cooling and heating yield blues, greens, yellows, sometimes reds and terra cotta depending on the glass.

You need to play with it - depending how much you heat and how much you cool, you will get different colors.

When I make the beads above - they are about 1 1/4" - by the time I finish shaping the beads, the ends are dark purple/blue. So I just have to play with heating the middle in order to get the colors out.

Lastly, when you get what everyone calls baby poo - you have overstruck the glass. Just start all over by super heating it again. Most striking glass are forgiving so you can start all over. Just remember to get dark brown on first strike!

Hope this helps.

[Beadbug]

I wanted to thank you so much for giving all this information in one place. I just got my first order of silver glass ($300.00) and then didn't want to waste any of it, saw this thread and it has been just a wonderful thing to have printed out and taped to my work area.

[Hayley]

Thank you, Tracy. I started this reference for myself coz I couldn't keep all the different names for the same glass straight! lol! Welcome to our silver glass addiction!!!

[PaulaD]

Hi guys. Someone just pointed me to this thread. Hayley it's a great thread! There has been so much confusion regarding renaming of colors etc and new colors coming out so fast and who is manufacturing what at any given minute!!.
Cherie,
If you bought something from me and it's not what you wanted please return it for a refund. I was told at first that the two colors were the same and then I was told they weren't. Duh. But one thing I want for my business is no one to feel like they are stuck with glass they don't want. And I have that on my website somewhere!
Paula

[fritobsessed]

Thank you, Tracy. I started this reference for myself coz I couldn't keep all the different names for the same glass straight! lol! Welcome to our silver glass addiction!!!

What Tracy isn't saying is that she fully blames me for this lovely new addiction - hard to believe, isn't it?? :devang:

[Hayley]

you devil you, MJ! lol!

[Hayley]

hey - does anyone know if the new Renoir a striking or a reducing glass???

[Hayley]

post #1 updated

[volkanokaren]

Does anyone have any examples of Blue Buddha??? Can it be encased?

Karen
Volkano Exotik

[Hayley]

TAG 104 Blue Buddha is the same as Cezanne - you may want to do a search on this forum on both names.

[Reenie]

Hayley
THe Green Envy is a reducing color. It will reduce to blues and greens.
The Mountain Honey is a reducing color but NOT a luster like the other two. You won't get any metalic finish on it. Also, in order for the blues and greens to appear...it has to be encased.
When it's not encased it's a boro-ish milky color with streaks in it. It's cool that way too.
Irene

[Hayley]

Irene - thank you! I just got some to play with, woohoo! If I want more - I will buy from you. ;-)

[PaulaD]

TAG 104 Blue Buddha is the same as Cezanne - you may want to do a search on this forum on both names.

Jennifer (from Trautman) told me that Blue Buddha is a little different than Cezanne. We also now carry all of the Precision colors so if you are buying glass we now have GT, DH, Trautman, and Precision.

Paula

[Hayley]

Paula - you are right, Jenny did say that about Blue Buddha and Cezanne but they are similar and she also said that they might change the name Blue Buddha to Cezanne so eliminate the confusion in the future.

Silver glass is different from batch to batch (I was told that it could be different from the first pull to the last on the batch!) - sometimes only slightly and sometime drastically as in the case of Waterfall. One batch of Waterfall is translucent blue in rod form and yields swirly blues while another batch of Waterfall is light transparent blue in rod form and reduces to a golden sheen.

[Firebrand Beads]

Sorry for the TAG Buddha/Cezanne confusion. Here is the story:
Paul Trautman, the first guy to make colored boro rod, first made some soft-glass colors at the request of Ron Bearer and Rocio. He called them Dalai Lama, Buddha and Zeus. When Rocio sold them on her site, she renamed two of the three: Dalai Lama became Dali, Buddha became Cezanne, and the Zeus remained Zeus. Not sure why....
Then when we made more, Paul did some experiments and it came out different. Quite different. So we reclaimed the name that Rocio had discarded and called that Blue Buddha, or Buddha 2 in-house, because the first batch was sold entirely to Rocio. That is the Blue Buddha that Paula has, ABR has, Winship has, Artistry in Glass in Ontario, etc.
Now we have remade the Cezanne closer to the original. I think it's best if we just consider them to be different beasts altogether. So we have relented, and will use the name that Rocio first gave this glass.
So for you, the beadmaker, the question is, what's the difference? The Buddha is more transparent and somewhat less reactive. It gets a sheen, not a mirror surface. It is a transparent glass, and has little trouble with encasement. In fact, I like it encased. The latest batches of Cezanne vary too. Some are producing that mirror-like surface, others are more streaky like the original. This one also encases well.
I realize there are people who want to get the same effect every time, every batch, but that kinda defeats the purpose of these exciting, changeable colors, right? So many things impact the final result of a batch, that it's like Christmas for us every time a color comes out.
Thank you, Hayley, for your efforts to track all this information. If this makes anyone more confused, you can write me a PM or send a message to jenny@taglass.com.
This is Cezanne, with a mirror-like finish. 111505
This is Cezanne, a variety of effects...114704
This is an older shot of Blue Buddha 2. Sorry it's a bit fuzzy! but you can see the reduction on the right bead, no reduction on the left bead. 114703

[PaulaD]

Thanks Jen!! And Hayley!
The renaming does get confusing!! I wish everyone would just use the manufacturer's name!

Paula

[Hayley]

Thanks for the clarification and pix, Jenny! Yummy glass!

[Hayley]

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The Second Silver Color How To Booklet:
- 65 pages
- over 170 color images with description
- list of silver glass by manufacturers
- index for each silver glass used in the booklet
- step-by-step instruction on how to use both striking as well as reducing silver glass

[volkanokaren]

Thanks for all the info on the Blue Buddha, much appreciated.As for the color differences I think its all a big glass adventure.

Karen
Volkano Exotik

[Hayley]

Hiya everyone . . . the Third Silver Color How To & Exchange just started . . . sign up now before it's full!

It's a great place to learn how to use different silver glass . . . post your progress, exchange tips and ideas, etc. etc!

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[R4GlassStudio]

Renoir is a special color Paul Trautman made for Rocio. It was never made by Precision.

[Hayley]

Thanks for the clarification!

[helensharvest]

Hey, Hayley the Great! Thanks for your work, you Angel! Did I miss my new favorite toy glass, Taxco? I just edged a Fish's tail and fins w/ it, and reduced it to hopefully a rainbow.:) ♥ Love, Helen

[Hayley]

This guide is a bit outdated since this thread has been buried since May! I have been updating only the one in my silver exchange . . . will fix this one now.

[Hayley]

Updated list - based on another thread, TAG 104 Deep Purple is the same as Purple Davine.