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I got mine in the mail today and it was light blue in the rod, which surprised me. I also was not able to melt it AT ALL without it boiling like mad - and I worked it WAY cool. The one bead I made looks like a baking soda bead.
Anyone have any tips to pass along?
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I will be interested to see what people say about this. I wanted to get some, but thought I would hold on and check out other people's results first.
Can't wait to see pictures!!!
CO_Phantom
2008-02-07, 2:37am
I'm out of the loop again...
Who makes Frida?
-Amy
I got mine from www.fineartbyrocio.com - not 100% sure who actually makes it.
Anyone else gotten theirs yet?
Didn't order any . . . got burnt too many times lately on silver glass, latest being the boiling pitting Hurricane Rumble.
Sounds like Frida pitts and boils too! Ugh!
Carolyn M
2008-02-07, 9:02pm
I was going to order some, but I'll wait now!
Didn't order any . . . got burnt too many times lately on silver glass, latest being the boiling pitting Hurricane Rumble.
Sounds like Frida pitts and boils too! Ugh!
I tried it again tonight and was holding it 7" out in the flame and could not get it to melt without bubbling.
CO_Phantom
2008-02-08, 10:20pm
Holy cow...so many silver glasses popping up, it's so hard to keep track!
That's the bad thing about reading this forum....I see all the glass names and I want them! I should go put my credit cards in the freezer....;)
Does anyone have pictures of what they've made with it? Bubbling and pitting and all?
-Amy
Hayley
2008-02-08, 10:22pm
I tried it again tonight and was holding it 7" out in the flame and could not get it to melt without bubbling.
Sorry to hear that, Sigrid! It's Hurricane Rumble's sister! Hope you didn't get much!
I only bought a 1/2 lb and am sharing it with some other people. Ron did offer to pay shipping back to him if I wanted to return it - haven't decided yet what I want to do.
Hayley
2008-02-08, 11:05pm
Ron really is the coolest!
Aside from the boiling . . . does it at least yield some cool colors?
Ron really is the coolest!
Aside from the boiling . . . does it at least yield some cool colors?
I wasn't able to make anything approaching a bead due to the boiling. It looks like a baking soda bead it is so bubbly. It did reduce to a pretty gold.
Carolyn M
2008-02-09, 8:35am
Squid, how is it pulled into stringer? Can you pull a stringer from it? I really want a 'silver' glass that turns gold, and I thought this might be it.
Squid, how is it pulled into stringer? Can you pull a stringer from it? I really want a 'silver' glass that turns gold, and I thought this might be it.
I haven't tried puling stringer because it is so bubbly when heated - I doubt it would pull smoothly.
Cabanlet
2008-02-11, 3:53pm
Yeah, I couldn't even melt a paddle or lollipop without really nasty bubbliing. I think I might check out the shipping back to him. They are the best. I really like dealing with them and they have some awesome glass.
Amy
hooked on glass
2008-02-11, 4:22pm
oh my! I just bought some but haven't received it yet. I was hoping it would be a neat color. Hope I have luck with it. I'll let you know! Barb
Three Muses Glass
2008-02-11, 6:23pm
What color is it when it's not reduced? I have a teeny weenie little bit of Kandinski left from the original batch that turns a really nice blue/green, boils like all get out and I love it! Tried some of the more recent batch and can't get a match so was wondering if the Frida would work.:)
ps~I'm leaving in the morning so thanks for any answers!
It's light transparent blue.
Oh Haley thanks for sharing the boiling of hurricane rumble. I hate that!! You can't do anything it's so frustrating. I've been trying to melt it very cool and encase. It has a really different look, don't know if it's the burning or the silver color.
Hayley
2008-02-12, 10:13am
Pat - did you get the regular Hurricane Rumble or the odd? I got the odd, made two beads with it and now the bundle is collecting dust! My beads probably look like a dark blue version of Sigrid's Frida ones! lol!
I have decided to send mine back to Ron since he offered to pay shipping back to him.
Hayley
2008-02-12, 10:25am
Sigrid - did you ask Ron if Frida is a Precision 104 or a TAG 104 glass? I wonder why it wasn't tested more thoroughly before releasing to the public . . .
Sigrid - did you ask Ron if Frida is a Precision 104 or a TAG 104 glass? I wonder why it wasn't tested more thoroughly before releasing to the public . . .
No, I didn't think to ask.
PaulaD
2008-02-12, 11:35am
I've used all of the Trautman Glasses and they don't boil. If that's any help.
Paula
Haley I got it from ABS. I guess it's the regular. I didn't know there was 2. What a waste of glass. It looks kinda greenish under the clear.
lldesigns
2008-02-14, 1:45pm
I was able to get it to stop bubbling by melting it in a fairly strong reducing flame. The final color was a disappointment however. I was hoping for a rich gold but got a muddy silver with hints of gold.
I second that about the Hurricane Rumble. Boils then boils more a makes an awful pit stricken bead. I bought a whole pound from ABR what a waste of money. I really would like to know why they are even selling it, or least not putting up a warning about it.
Jen
I got a whole pound too . . .but the odds were $30/lb instead of $80/lb . . . but still, I can think of a lot of other glass I can get $30/lb for!
With Kandinsky and Matisse, I can melt it without boiling with a slight reduction flame and gets some gorgeous copper color. With Hurricane Rumble, not amount of reduction flame can stop the boiling and pitting!
Wendyki
2008-02-14, 7:25pm
with the hurricaine rumble I melt a gather and squish it around spin it mix it basicly then pull a stringer and it helps alot I was gifted a pound of the odds and its the only silver color I have right now :)
Thanks Wendy - I will pull some stringers and see if it's better . . . my stringer control sucks tho! lol!
Cabanlet
2008-02-14, 8:04pm
Hey, Ron told me that you have to heat it way out until molton, then you can bring it in and work it like normal. I haven't had time to try it, you know the day job and all getting in the way.
Amy
Wendyki
2008-02-14, 8:06pm
theres more then just pulling stringer tho Haley I really had to mush it around and swirl it while molten for a minute or two before pulling a stringer :)
it gave me some awesome blues tho like a frothy sea and has hints of terra cotta in certainspots
Hey, Ron told me that you have to heat it way out until molton, then you can bring it in and work it like normal. I haven't had time to try it, you know the day job and all getting in the way.
Amy
Unfortunately, this does not work for me - I am going to try the reduction flame.
Firebrand Beads
2008-02-15, 2:40pm
Sigrid - did you ask Ron if Frida is a Precision 104 or a TAG 104 glass? I wonder why it wasn't tested more thoroughly before releasing to the public . . .
Definitely NOT a TAG color!
Here, Paul does the first test himself. If he likes it, I test it. If I like it, it goes to another tester elsewhere to be tested *again*. We don't release any 104s that haven't been through at least two different studios with good results.
~Jenny @ TAG
Paul Trautman has been around for millions of years. He is not known for putting out bad glass. Every color that I've tried rocks! And it all melts like butter!
Paula
theres more then just pulling stringer tho Haley I really had to mush it around and swirl it while molten for a minute or two before pulling a stringer :)
it gave me some awesome blues tho like a frothy sea and has hints of terra cotta in certainspots
Thanks for the tips, Wendy! I will try that when I am brave enough to pull it out again! lol!
Definitely NOT a TAG color!
Here, Paul does the first test himself. If he likes it, I test it. If I like it, it goes to another tester elsewhere to be tested *again*. We don't release any 104s that haven't been through at least two different studios with good results.
~Jenny @ TAG
Paul Trautman has been around for millions of years. He is not known for putting out bad glass. Every color that I've tried rocks! And it all melts like butter!
Paula
Since you brought this up first – for I wasn't going to say anything - what about Oxblood? It's a great base color (basically dark bray) for other silver colors . . . but at $80 a pound???
Islandgirl
2008-02-15, 3:31pm
Sorry I didn't read all the posts above this but... if you cut back the Oxygen, way back,.... and increase the propane you might be able to heat it without boiling and... the propane rich flame shouldn't be a problem.. Are these new precision glasses (formerly R4?)
I don't have either of those glasses... my big issues are with the raku type glasses... PUKEY!!!!
I just bought .5 pounds of Tag buddha hopefully it isn't antisocial!
Lynne
Firebrand Beads
2008-02-15, 3:49pm
Since you brought this up first – for I wasn't going to say anything - what about Oxblood? It's a great base color (basically dark bray) for other silver colors . . . but at $80 a pound???
Yeah, well. That was in Paul's regular line when I got here and started trying to get the 104 side in a little better order. I have been gaining a new appreciation for it, now that I know how to heat the crap out of it to get the red patches. But it's greatest virtue is being black in areas of your bead that are oxidized, and being anywhere from grey to bluish to reddish in the reduced areas. Subtle, yes. It also causes some odd reactions with the silver glasses, as you mentioned. Not everyone's cuppa tea, that's for sure!
And it CERTAINLY isn't boily! lol
Yeah, well. That was in Paul's regular line when I got here and started trying to get the 104 side in a little better order. I have been gaining a new appreciation for it, now that I know how to heat the crap out of it to get the red patches. But it's greatest virtue is being black in areas of your bead that are oxidized, and being anywhere from grey to bluish to reddish in the reduced areas. Subtle, yes. It also causes some odd reactions with the silver glasses, as you mentioned. Not everyone's cuppa tea, that's for sure!
And it CERTAINLY isn't boily! lol
Thank you for your reply . . . don't get me wrong, I do like it but just can't justify paying that much for a color I am going to cover up most of it with other silver glass! I black bead with aqua blues and greens on my avatar has Oxblood as a base.
Cabanlet
2008-02-15, 6:24pm
Ok, to be fair, my last post was after one try at Frida. I am changing my mind about Frida. I LOVE IT! Yes, you need to turn up your propane a bit to heat it. If it starts to bubble, turn up your propane a little more. I just made a test bead and it is cooling in fiber blanket to I can see it faster. But so far, I really like this glass. It is a very beautiful gold color, which I have been looking for. Also, just for fun I boiled it really good on part of my test bead and then reduced it. It was a really cool effect that I love.
Once I got it molten, I could turn up the flame and O2 and heat away without boiling.
I will post a pic later.
Amy
JetAge Studio
2008-02-17, 8:59am
Anyone know of any issues with Frida encased? I'd like to get some now, but I'm not sure. Anyone have any picts to show?
Renee Wiggins
hooked on glass
2008-02-17, 7:57pm
I tried Frieda last night and didn't find it to be boiling. Color was tannish green but dull, not metallic.
Barb
Cabanlet
2008-02-18, 9:13am
Ok, I finally got a picture of my bead. This was super hard to photograph and I do not have the best camera. If you bathe the bead in the yellow candles you get a kind of light tannish/gold. Keep bathing and it will become pink/gold. Also< don't make your bead in a reduction flame the entire time or I think the glass overstrikes and you don't get any more metallics.
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fritobsessed
2008-02-19, 4:24pm
Squid, how is it pulled into stringer? Can you pull a stringer from it? I really want a 'silver' glass that turns gold, and I thought this might be it.
For me, Miro goes gold, but I made this on a HH - the pink patches are Psyche the gold is Miro over diamond clear:
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AKDesigns
2008-02-19, 11:36pm
Wow....that makes me want to get a hot head.
CO_Phantom
2008-02-20, 4:29am
Oooh...those 2 beads are gorgeous! They almost look fumed!
-Amy
LouiseI
2008-02-20, 8:11am
Now I have to ask what is Miro glass?? Both beads are beautiful, but I love the gold in the second one there.
I got the Frida to melt in a reduction flame, but it just got muddy dirty tan. Uck. There must be a certain amount of reduction that will melt it, but not dirty it up. I will try again, but wow, this glass is a PITA.
Now I have to ask what is Miro glass?? Both beads are beautiful, but I love the gold in the second one there.
Ron and Rocio sell Miro. It is a transparent dark green glass.
www.fineartbyrocio.com
I'd like to try Frieda but not after all the trouble with Hurrican Rumble. For the cost, just give me a rod to melt and reduce. Nothing too mind altering. LOL
AKDesigns
2008-02-25, 4:17pm
Bumping this....no one likes this glass except Cabanlet? I got a rod today and did some test beads. I'll reserve comment until they come out of the kiln but I will say that I couldn't get it to boil or bubble for the life of me.
AKDesigns
2008-02-25, 4:23pm
I keel you.
:lol::lol::lol::love:
bwspong
2008-02-26, 9:49am
I am having problems with r4 waterfall glass from rocio.I know this is a differnt glass from the one you are discussing.Who makes waterfall? I was surptised at the color of the rod a pale butterscotch and not the pale green I was expecting.Has anyone else had a problem with this glass? I work it as directed but all I get is a striated toffee look,not what was expected and not what other folk are getting. If this is what you get for an expensive glass it is not good. Has any one any thoughts on this? Sorry to jump in here but the glass came from Rocio.
Thanks Barbara in UK.
Islandgirl
2008-02-26, 10:11am
I am having problems with r4 waterfall glass from rocio.I know this is a differnt glass from the one you are discussing.Who makes waterfall? I was surptised at the color of the rod a pale butterscotch and not the pale green I was expecting.Has anyone else had a problem with this glass? I work it as directed but all I get is a striated toffee look,not what was expected and not what other folk are getting. If this is what you get for an expensive glass it is not good. Has any one any thoughts on this? Sorry to jump in here but the glass came from Rocio.
Thanks Barbara in UK.
I haven't tried tried that glass... Rocio is in Florida and also goes under the name R4 glass try this web site and contact them http://www.fineartbyrocio.com/glass.html they don't list it as a product but they show a picture of it and the picture is definitely GREEN! Your glass sounds more like one of the raku glasses!
Lynne
PolychromeBeads
2008-03-06, 8:48pm
Well, I heard good things about Frida from Amy, so I went and bought some. Tried it for several days this week, but I'm getting the hideous bubbling! I really want to get this glass to work since the spots that I can see (through the *$#@ bubbles) look great.
I wonder if there might be variations in how we're working it that could explain why it works for some folks and not others. I'm on a Mini CC with one concentrator and a BBQ propane tank. I'm curious to hear what those who can make Frida melt cleanly are using.
Aimee
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I was able to melt it without bubbling once, but the flame was so reducing that it turned the glass to a disgusting poop color with black streaks and it would not burn off. I was able to see a bit of a stringer turn an incredible teal/blue but have not been able to duplicate it - and it was about 1/4" of a 2" long wrap. Grrr... this stuff aggravates me.
AKDesigns
2008-03-06, 10:18pm
Sorry Aimee! I'll buy yours from you if you still hate it after working it some more. I dig it. All the dots covered with clear are Frida:
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PolychromeBeads
2008-03-07, 12:10am
Not...giving...up...yet! Grrr!!!
How do you work it Amy? Do you use a slightly reduction flame or just melt it w-a-y out in the cool part of the flame? Are you pulling stringer from the rods? I haven't tried stringer yet - gonna try that tomorrow!
I hate letting glass get the better of me! I really want this to work!!
Aimee
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Cabanlet
2008-03-07, 9:17am
So far only two Amy's like it. So Aimee there is hope for you!!! Maybe that is the answer LOL. I am on a minor with tanked oxy.
I use a smallish flame to start out. Ron told me that once it is molten you can work it like any other glass. So I go slow in the beginning with a very neutral to very slight reducing flame until molten, then swith back to how I normally work glass. Hope that helps.
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Amy
PolychromeBeads
2008-03-07, 9:58am
So far only two Amy's like it. So Aimee there is hope for you!!! Maybe that is the answer LOL
110154 Hey, most of the time people spell it wrong anyway - that gives me hope! Off to the torch!!!
Aimee
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Cabanlet
2008-03-07, 10:43am
Aimee, that is the coolest smily I have seen!
I am off to torch!
Amy
JetAge Studio
2008-03-07, 3:59pm
Sorry Aimee! I'll buy yours from you if you still hate it after working it some more. I dig it. All the dots covered with clear are Frida:
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Those are BEEEUTEEFUL Amy!! But, I thought Frida was supposed to have pink/gold tones. I'm confused
Renee Wiggins
AKDesigns
2008-03-07, 5:38pm
Renee, I layered it over Nyx which is why it looks blue. On the close up the bead above the blue barrel....that's Frida over ivory dots covered in clear and you can see that it's more gold on that bead. I also worked it different than most of you would. I pull stringers in a heavy reduction flame and use those. I haven't tried just using it in a neutral flame and then doing a quick reduction. I meant to do that today but after making 5 sea pod beads my neck is aching! I hadn't been on the torch in a week and a half.
PolychromeBeads
2008-03-07, 8:12pm
Okay, I tried again and didn't bubble up the glass!! 110276 I have no idea if the beads are any good, of course!
It really does seem to work easiest for me after I pulled stringer, in a slight reduction flame. Then when I melted the stringer in it was, of course, thinner glass and so it melted quicker in the cooler part of the flame. Still required a lot of babying.
We'll see if I made poopy beads when I get them out of the kiln tomorrow. I'll take some pics and post them on Monday.
Aimee
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Can't wait to see what you get Aimee. And Amy those beads rock.
AKDesigns
2008-03-08, 4:26pm
Thanks Pat. I can't wait to see Aimee's beads!
JetAge Studio
2008-03-09, 8:53pm
Amy, thanks for your description! Very nice! So it appears this glass is streaky...?...kinda like Sissley swirls in streaks, but this is more gold color.
Looks nice.
More picts!! :)
Renee
PolychromeBeads
2008-03-10, 5:02pm
Okay, here are all my Frida test beads. Didn't clean them, so forgive my bead poop!
Day One:
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The first bead was Frida over clear, with clear casing. Boy can you see the bubbling! It is opaque in places, but I didn't reduce much because of the bubbling. The second bead was over an ivory core, with clear casing. I got streaks of bubbles, and once again didn't reduce it enough.
Day Two:
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The first bead has the ivory core, and you can see I got almost no bubbles! When I reduced it I got a nice golden color, but lost most of the color when I cased in clear. You can still see hints of opaque blue/green. The second bead was over clear, and I was trying to save some of the iridescence I saw after reducing. Obviously, I got no color at all (but no bubbles!! whoo-hoo!!).
Day Three:
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This is where I used stringer - it worked a lot better. The first bead is over clear, and would have been really cool if I had reduced just a bit more. The second bead is more stringer over ivory - and I definitely got some color! The last bead was ivory core, cased in Frida, dotted in clear, reduced, then cased - just to prove to myself that I was getting the hang of it!
It is a lot easier to use if you pull stringer from it, but of course you still have to get past the bubbling stage. I like the results, but I don't think it's worth the effort. The manufacturers definitely need to go back and reformulate it to be a friendlier glass.
Aimee
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Quicksilverart
2008-03-10, 6:37pm
For me, Miro goes gold, but I made this on a HH - the pink patches are Psyche the gold is Miro over diamond clear:
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Shoot! I'm digging out my Hothead!
Thanks Aimee. Day 3 the beads aren't bad at all. There is a gal torching with me and she used the Hurrican Rum on my Cheetah full blast I mean like a dragon hot and after a bit it did stop bubbling. You could try that. I have plenty of other stuff to use for now. :)
PolychromeBeads
2008-03-11, 5:11pm
Today I tried it without encasing and I think I got some pretty iridescent colors like Amy (Cabanlet) did - well I'll find out tomorrow if I did when I open the kiln!!!
I'm getting better at it...but it ain't gonna be my favorite!
Aimee
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theglasszone
2008-09-19, 2:51pm
Bump...anyone have anything new to show or say about Frieda? Just wondering...
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PolychromeBeads
2008-09-19, 7:02pm
Funny you should mention it...I just brought out the Frida again today, and discovered it behaved a lot better if I didn't actually melt it in the flame - just holding it closely underneath seemed to do the trick. No bubbling! Of course I won't know until I open the kiln tomorrow if it still behaves the same on the bead, but I see no reason why not.
Aimee
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