Pleated beads?

[Anzie]

I have been seeing some beautiful pleated beads and was wondering if there was a tut for them somewhere? I would love to give them a try.

Anzie

[glasshouse]

They are in the Japanese Tonbo Dama book. I haven't watched the dvd but they might be on it too. I think Malcolm from ArtCo sells it. Hope this helps!

:) Kelly

[chrissij]

http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67739

[glasshouse]

Oh cool! There are much better descriptions in that thread! Except for the fat ankles, lol!

:) Kelly

[Anzie]

Thanks guys. I'll check out that book and DVD, and that thread is a riot. And no I never peeked at the ankles.:poke:

[Beckah]

Love your avatar! And the pleated bead isn't on the Tonba Damba DVD but there is some info in the book -- although that link has a bit more.

[swamper]

Speaking of pleated beads. I've seen the Tonba Damba book and that works fine for smallish beads.

This can't possibly be the same technique that Michael Barley uses for his long focals? He calls it something to do with a whale.

I thought I read somewhere that he uses a blade or knife to do his but the effect is very similar. I've tried it by pressing ridges into a light pastel base and then press encasing with a color transparent but it doesn't look like MB beads. Maybe I'm to heavy handed. Anyone got any tips for this look on focals?

[Yellow Dog Girl]

I'd love to know this, too. The MB thing.

[Pat]

These are some pleated beads I made after Kim Adams taught us how to do them in Sept at Hot Times. The Tonba Damba book does it a little different. I encase in clear before marvering into shape. It seems easier to me.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL490/591792/18921221/305165985.jpg

[swamper]

These are some pleated beads I made after Kim Adams taught us how to do them in Sept at Hot Times. The Tonba Damba book does it a little different. I encase in clear before marvering into shape. It seems easier to me.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL490/591792/18921221/305165985.jpg


that makes sense. The encasing keeps you from distorting the pleats. So you are starting with say a donut and then marvering to elongate the bead?

I still think MB uses a knife to do his beads - "baleen" is what he calls them.

PS - those are really neat beads - my fav colors and very nice for a bracelet.

[Anne Ricketts]

The MB thing is totally different but I'm not giving it up! :lol: I made a pleated bead yesterday going from the Tonba book. It looked great till I added my chintz flowers on top! :lol:

[Pat]

Linda....I make a good size disk bead, put on the twist and melt down. Then encase with a good bit of clear and then start to heat and marver. The larger you want the bead the bigger your disk and encasing should be. And I don't know anything about MB beads. :)

[lldesigns]

This can't possibly be the same technique that Michael Barley uses for his long focals? He calls it something to do with a whale.

That technique is called 'baleen' I believe. I've been trying to figure it out without much luck so far. Anyone have any tips?

[swamper]

The MB thing is totally different but I'm not giving it up! :lol: I made a pleated bead yesterday going from the Tonba book. It looked great till I added my chintz flowers on top! :lol:

:love:Stinker:love:

Wish MB was giving a class near me.

[Anne Ricketts]

:twisted: His class was great! Ya know, ya might try emailing him, it couldn't hurt! :wink:

[lldesigns]

I never have the money for any of the classes I want to take even when someone comes this way (west coast).... :pout:

[afina]

Hi!
I made a youtube video about pleated beads. You can find it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP0WCd424c4

For a good 3d-effect it is important to use enough clear in the cane. I make it this way: lollie in white or another light opaque color, then two dark transparent colors on both sides, then I add clear on one side (no matter which). Twist tight and use for the bead.

Melt the twistie down and encase with clear, but be careful to add the clear only to those parts of the bead that have some cane on it, otherwise the cane will not spread properly all the way to the mandrel.

http://www.glasperlenwerk.at/images/stories/Einzelperlen/lamellenwald.jpg

[robinh]

Very helpful video, thank you. I was trying to make this type of bead last weekend, and could not get the pattern to spread to the ends of the bead at the mandrel. But, watching your video, I can see that I was not using enough clear, and not adding extra clear on the ends of the bead. Can't wait to try again.....

[xiola blue]

Here is a Bead and Button interview with Michael mentioning baleen...http://www.beadandbutton.com/BNB/Objects/PDF/bbpdf070492.pdf
xiola

[Carols Glass]

Verena, thank you so much for the video. A picture says a thousand words and a video says it all.

[Carols Glass]

These were from the second night of trying. They are so addicting!

[theglasszone]

WOW, WOW, WOW!!! How beautiful....I'm SOOOOOOOOOO impressed!

DeAnne in CA

[afina]

Carol, your pleated beads are beautiful!!!

[Carols Glass]

Thanks DeAnne and Verena! My DH hardly says anything when I show him my beads but he loved these :-).

I was trying out a larger bead with different colors a bit ago so I could make an elongated bead like in the gorgeous bracelet by Pat.........the phone rang. That pretty much ended that experiment. When I get back I'll try again!

[Lara]

Can I ask a rude question? When did twisty beads become pleated beads?

[glassbead]

Thanks for all this info, everybody. I'd never even heard of pleated beads! And, I never knew you could read any articles from Bead and Button on the internet!

[Yellow Dog Girl]

First, a reply to "rude Laura:" (LOL) I think they became pleated beads (at least for me) when I made a distinction in the 3-D look of the "pleated" beads. I make a LOT of twistie beads - and most don't have that 3-D effect.

So, the baleen thing. I tried a couple this weekend. I have never seen a Barley one in person (finances and life prevented me from taking his class the last time he was in Austin), but here's my interpretation from the pictures I've seen. If they're even close, let me know, and I'll be happy to share my how-to (which may be (probably isn't!) even close to MB).

(Sorry sorry sorry about all the smutz on the pictures - I wanted them kind of big so you could see the effect, but we have 5 long-haired dogs - dusting is an almost daily thing, and obviously on this day I decided to take pictures rather than dust!)

[Anne Ricketts]

I think you might have figured that out! Looks great!

[Yellow Dog Girl]

Thanks, Anne! Love you girl and wish I saw you more often. I know, I know - go to Fireflies, right?

[Anne Ricketts]

yup! :lol: love ya too! :grin:

[Carols Glass]

First, a reply to "rude Laura:" (LOL) I think they became pleated beads (at least for me) when I made a distinction in the 3-D look of the "pleated" beads. I make a LOT of twistie beads - and most don't have that 3-D effect.

So, the baleen thing. I tried a couple this weekend. I have never seen a Barley one in person (finances and life prevented me from taking his class the last time he was in Austin), but here's my interpretation from the pictures I've seen. If they're even close, let me know, and I'll be happy to share my how-to (which may be (probably isn't!) even close to MB).

(Sorry sorry sorry about all the smutz on the pictures - I wanted them kind of big so you could see the effect, but we have 5 long-haired dogs - dusting is an almost daily thing, and obviously on this day I decided to take pictures rather than dust!)

Yes, please, please share your how-to! Thank you :-)

[Troll Lover]

I get the encasing right, but didn't know what kind of twistie to make and use for the 3D effect. Thanks!

[lldesigns]

So, the baleen thing. I tried a couple this weekend. I have never seen a Barley one in person (finances and life prevented me from taking his class the last time he was in Austin), but here's my interpretation from the pictures I've seen. If they're even close, let me know, and I'll be happy to share my how-to (which may be (probably isn't!) even close to MB).



Oh please share how you did this! I keep wasting time and glass trying to figure it out without much success...

[Rachel]

Yes, I would love to know. I have wanted to know for a while. I haven't been fortunate enough to take a class from Michael Barley but I would love to. I've tried many things to get the affect but haven't been successful. I often wonder why so many people that have taken his class haven't shared this technique. I would really love to know. I have asked people as nicely as possible that have had his class and each one has politely told me that they don't want to share. That is okay. I do understand but if you have managed to figure it out, I would really love to know. I would really appreciate it.

[jj burke]

Verena I watched your youtube video. I picked out a few things that I missed when I tried it. The next time I try pleated beads I should be more successful Thanks for sharing! jj

[Ekkie]

The big question for me is "How to make a large pleat bead?" I can make a small one like a small stripe bead but I can't get one to work at say 2cm long.

Can any one help?

Thanks
Jenn

[dogmaw]

Jenn, have you tried a really fat twistie?

[Ekkie]

Thanks Jo. I tried that today after reading the other thread and it worked!!!

Thanks Jenn

[Vicki B.]

This is a great thread. Thanks, everyone.

I too was wondering about the longer beads. How fat does that twistie have to be - ?more than 1/4 inch?

I used some pretty fat ones - maybe 3/16ths and got nice beads - but not long. Maybe I should keep adding clear on top of the clear and shape the beads into a barrel gently? I did try that once and got an OK bead of about 12mm, but the twistie kind of "peters out" at the edges. maybe there's a better way of melting it in. It takes a really long time in the hothead.

Should I be melting from each side or mainly in the center?

[dogmaw]

You shouldn't need a twistie bigger than 1/4". It will spread quite a bit. I do keep adding clear on top and shaping the barrel as I go. I find I get longer beads this way.

[Diane (clarus)]

Verena, THANK YOU for the wonderful demo video. Seeing you make it really helps me understand how they're done. The music was perfect as well! This is a must see if you're trying to learn this technique.

-Diane

[Vicki B.]

yes - thanks all for the wonderful tips and help on this method!

[Deb]

Verena, your video was very helpful. Thank you so much! I'm going to try it tomorrow.

[Virginia]

great you tube video - can't wait to try it - v

[rguttierrez]

Yellow Dog Girl,

I would love to know how you created the baleen beads. They look great. :)

[Nanette Marie]

Yes, I would love to know. I have wanted to know for a while. I haven't been fortunate enough to take a class from Michael Barley but I would love to. I've tried many things to get the affect but haven't been successful. I often wonder why so many people that have taken his class haven't shared this technique. I would really love to know. I have asked people as nicely as possible that have had his class and each one has politely told me that they don't want to share. That is okay. I do understand but if you have managed to figure it out, I would really love to know. I would really appreciate it.

They haven't told you because it wouldn't be fair to Michael Barley to give away his techniques that he makes a living by teaching others. He's a really nice guy and great teacher and you will learn a lot from him if you ever get a chance to take one of his classes. It is well worth the money.

[dogsrlove]

They haven't told you because it wouldn't be fair to Michael Barley to give away his techniques that he makes a living by teaching others. He's a really nice guy and great teacher and you will learn a lot from him if you ever get a chance to take one of his classes. It is well worth the money.

Yes, out of respect for the man and his art.

Vanessa

[Lara]

Question, do ya'll use a ribbon cane that is cased with clear, then case the bead with clear or a cane without a clear casing?

[playswithfire104]

Call me dense, but I'm not sure exactly what kind of cane to use for one of these beads. Could someone nice post a picture of the type of cane used for these pleated beads? If you could put something like a dime in the picture to give it perspective that would be wonderful.

[glasshouse]

I use a tight twisty similar to the Kimberly Affleck Seahorse twisty tutorial posted here on LE. That way the pleats are nice & thin.

:) Kelly

[rguttierrez]

Question, do ya'll use a ribbon cane that is cased with clear, then case the bead with clear or a cane without a clear casing?

The way I understand it you use a cane that has no clear casing. I played around with a few ideas this weekend. My beads were way ugly but I think I am getting the hang of it. :)

[Anne Ricketts]

I didn't use a cased twisty for this one, I just used a bunch of different colors on top transparents. :grin: Oops forgot the pics!

[playswithfire104]

No offense Anne but that isn't what I think of when I think of a pleated bead. Your bead is beautiful! But I thought pleated beads looked more, I don't know pleated? :-k Kinda like they have "space" between the pleats? Does that make any sense?:???:

[Anne Ricketts]

Yep, I know, this one just got stretched out too thin to where the transparent part got swallowed up by the opaque part. :lol:

[Rachel]

Yeah, I get that but I haven't taken a class from a teacher ever that has said not to tell the techniques. It seems to be a general thing that if you teach it in a class, the information is out there. If he doesn't want it told, I get that. It is fine with me. If he doesn't want me to know, I don't want to know. I would be happy to take his class if he ever came anywhere close to where I live.

I am not trying to steal anyone's art.

I also can tell when I see a bead by anyone that has taken his class. It is so obvious when someone has had his class. I guess it is okay to use his techniques if you've had his class. It isn't for me to say if that is respectful to him or not. I am certainly not trying to learn to copy anyone or their techniques. I am sre he is a wonderful man and teacher. I just wish I could take his class but I know it will likely never happen.

They haven't told you because it wouldn't be fair to Michael Barley to give away his techniques that he makes a living by teaching others. He's a really nice guy and great teacher and you will learn a lot from him if you ever get a chance to take one of his classes. It is well worth the money.

[Lara]

The way I understand it you use a cane that has no clear casing. I played around with a few ideas this weekend. My beads were way ugly but I think I am getting the hang of it. :)

Thanks

[Pat]

Rachel....I thought you were not suppose to share a techniqe you learn in a class too. In fact I refused to share Larry's nite sky bead when asked. Then I had a long conversation with Pam Dugger who said once you pay for her class you can share with anyone you want. It is information you paid for and is yours to do what you please. The only thing every teacher has said is to go home and try to do your own thing with the information you've been given. So there ya go. It is confusing. In fact all this stuff about the pleated bead you should have to buy the TondoDama book by these rules, right. LOL

[StOrM]

lara - if pleated beads are twisty beads....then what is your idea of a pleated bead?

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but i am still unsure on the thickness of the cane.

[glasswinder]

ditto on the michael barley class...he is just awesome! you will learn soooo much if you can ever take a class from him. major intensity, too!! he really WANTS you to "get" it.

[Mike H]

I think that the descriptions of how these "Pleated Beads" are made in this thread should be enough for someone to make one. If not, then maybe one should get the book that explains it.
I had not seen one of these Pleated beads before I tried making one last tuesday. I read this thread and thought it would be fun to try.
I showed this in one of last weeks Gallery showcases.
Here's my version , its about 3" long which started from a 1/8" thick twistie:

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[volkanokaren]

Whoa, Mike what a beauty bead

Karen
Volkano Exotik

[Celtic Echo Designs]

I think that the descriptions of how these "Pleated Beads" are made in this thread should be enough for someone to make one. If not, then maybe one should get the book that explains it.
I had not seen one of these Pleated beads before I tried making one last tuesday. I read this thread and thought it would be fun to try.
I showed this in one of last weeks Gallery showcases.
Here's my version , its about 3" long which started from a 1/8" thick twistie:

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Whoa....that is incredible!!!

~Triscia

[Tancaro]

Talk about making it your own! Very nice!
-C

[Mike H]

Thanks for the nice compliments!

[Lara]

lara - if pleated beads are twisty beads....then what is your idea of a pleated bead?



I don't have any idea of a pleated bead until the last few years when people started calling them pleated, not twisty. I have been casing twisties for years.

The twisties you pointed out look like mostly clear cased ribbon twisties to me, but I probably just can't see them really close. This is why I asked the question above about what type of twisties.

[StOrM]

I don't have any idea of a pleated bead until the last few years when people started calling them pleated, not twisty. I have been casing twisties for years.

The twisties you pointed out look like mostly clear cased ribbon twisties to me, but I probably just can't see them really close. This is why I asked the question above about what type of twisties.

Lara - I just pointed those out to kinda get some opinions......I have never made one of these beads (i have actually never made a twisty) I am still kinda new at this...i have maybe been at the torch 15 times if that. I am try to set up a studio in my house but this is going to take some time ( a fence in my backyard is first priority)..... I am unsure if you use clear with the twisty or if you just twist until you get deep ridges to separate the colors so you get the pleated look.

[ellyloo]

I think that what makes a PLEATED bead is that one of the colours IN the twisty should be a transparent or clear, so in this respect, it sort of looks like a ribbon cane, but it's not totally encased with a clear. this gets the ridges and the deep 3d look.

Twistie/stripe beads, it doesn't really matter if you have clear or not.

[xiola blue]

This photo shows two twisties I have used. The longer one is a little over 1/8" wide and was used in the bead, which is 1 3/8" long. It was made with a paddle of sky blue rather than white, with cobalt piled on one side of the paddle, transparent aqua on the other side (two transparents with opaque in between). I added a strip of green aventurine for sparkle. You can see that it is a very tight twist. I hope this helps a little! xiola111335
ps...-when making a twistie like this be sure to let the gather cool a little before tightly twisting and pulling or you will have a nicely draped bit of glass getting out of control. I use two mandrels in the process of making twisties.:smile:

[playswithfire104]

Thank you thank you thank you Xiola! The twisties I was using looked nothing like those. I'll give it another shot.

[nana]

Thank you Xiola for the picture of the twisty.
Now i understand that the twist should be really tight,
Thats why my beads didn't have the 3d effect .when i tried to make a longer bead (DAH!!!!):-?
Thank you everyone for your generosity in sharing your knowledge.

[danelady]

Hey Guys, Vicki was kind enough to tell me about this thread, and I CAN tell you this much. I make my Zebra beads using the same technique , WITHOUT using clear on both sides of the lolly!

First importance is to make the twists TIGHT on your twisty. Next, put a small layer of CLEAR down on your mandrel, then apply your twisty by PUSHING it onto the clear base, don't let it stretch when applying it.

IF I used, for instance, a White base, then stacked Transparent DARK colors, you'd see a pleat instead of the black stripes! (Oh and you'd probably not want to make the clear encasing coat as thick as I have on the bead below)!
Hope this helps! I am running a twisty sale this weekend in the sales rack, if you want some twisties to try this with!
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85400

http://images.etsy.com/all_images/8/85b/956/il_430xN.11167720.jpg

Hugs
Lynnie

[StOrM]

very very beautiful.......

Lynnie - do you have to buy your twisties just in a bundle with the colors you see in the pictures? Or can you custom order colors you want? can you explain more on how to order your twisties?

[danelady]

Hi Hon,
I usually recommend that you purchase at LEAST 20 twisties, to allow for safest shipping and arrival intact...I have had VERY few breakage problems following that policy over that last 2 years. I will ship as many as you like, but I always warn that they MAY break under 20 piece bundles.

If you take a peek at my website:
http://www.artemislampwork.com/twisties.htm

You'll see that you can custom order, OR let me choose for you, OR give me a "scheme" and let me run with it. Some people do go as far as ordering a specific color choice for every twisty, but that is rare, and SOMETIMES ends up costing more because they usually want reactive and handpulled colors ($2 per 8 inch piece), but I am ALWAYS glad to do that too!

When you check out (PAYPAL) there is a place where you can click to leave a note. Just tell me what you want and I'll do it! Email or PM me any questions and I'll gladly resolve tham! Make sure you mention MARCH MADNESS and order $30 or more to get my goodies this weekend!

Thank you!
Hugs
Lynnie
very very beautiful.......

Lynnie - do you have to buy your twisties just in a bundle with the colors you see in the pictures? Or can you custom order colors you want? can you explain more on how to order your twisties?

[danelady]

I made the twisties below, and they would be too thin to make a LARGE pleated bead, and probably not tightly twisted enough...JMHO\\:D/lara - if pleated beads are twisty beads....then what is your idea of a pleated bead?

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but i am still unsure on the thickness of the cane.

[danelady]

PAm and I are torching this weekend, I'll see if we can make a nice fat pleat twistie (for a LARGE bead) and I'll scan it for y'all!

[StOrM]

ok so to make a pleated bead you need:

a really tight twisty?
a really fat twisty?
and it should be made with no clear in it at all (opaque colors are prefered)?

correct me if i am wrong

[danelady]

Not nescessarily fat (depends on the size bead you want!) the bead I showed below was made with a 2mm B&W twistie and the bead is 6-7mm wide.

You DO need Transparent bracketing an opaque color to create the pleating effect (which I did NOT do in the bead below) Hope that helps.ok so to make a pleated bead you need:

a really tight twisty?
a really fat twisty?
and it should be made with no clear in it at all (opaque colors are prefered)?

correct me if i am wrong

[Yellow Dog Girl]

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Hi, Storm,

Here's a picture of the bead I posted in the Tonbo Dama thread (in the tips section as I recall).

It's a small bead - probably about 15mm, and I made it with a "regular" size twistie - a regular twist, too. What's regular? LOL The twistie was about 1/8", and I didn't go to any heroic measures to twist tightly. I think the really tight twisting is a bonus for the long beads, but maybe not necessary for little beads. Of course I guess that depends somewhat on the look you're going for, too. This one was made with a white paddle, with trans amethyst on one side and trans topaz on the other. I DID encase the whole thing with clear, because that was my understanding from the book (I gave instructions for how I did this one in the thread referenced above).

These little buggers are addicting!

Pam

[playswithfire104]

Here is the link to the other thread on pleated beads. I read it last night and was pleasently surprized how informative it is. Lots of GREAT info!

http://lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67739

[StOrM]

danelady - is it just easier then to use opaque colors to make a pleated bead?
yellow dog girl - thanks for the picture and information. anything helps with me right now :)
Playswithfire104 - Thanks for the other link i will go check it out.

[Tink]

The black and white zebra bead above doesn't look pleated to me, but I'm still rather bleary eyed this morning. The purple/amber one Pam posted has really defined pleats, to me.

What I'm wondering is what effect different base bead/disk colors have on the final effect.

I also want to say how much I like the pearlescent look of Mike H's pleats. MOP or Shampoo glass? Very nice!

[danelady]

Nope! Cuz then it's just a bead like mine down below! you want pleats, you gotta bracket the opaque with transparents!danelady - is it just easier then to use opaque colors to make a pleated bead?
<snip>.

[danelady]

Nope you're correct Tink it Ain't! LOL I was using it, as I didn't have a pleated bead pic, to illustrate where you'd put the transparents to create the effect of pleats... Looks like I wasn't too successful, eh? LOLThe black and white zebra bead above doesn't look pleated to me, but I'm still rather bleary eyed this morning. The purple/amber one Pam posted has really defined pleats, to me.

What I'm wondering is what effect different base bead/disk colors have on the final effect.

I also want to say how much I like the pearlescent look of Mike H's pleats. MOP or Shampoo glass? Very nice!

[Mike H]

The black and white zebra bead above doesn't look pleated to me, but I'm still rather bleary eyed this morning. The purple/amber one Pam posted has really defined pleats, to me.

What I'm wondering is what effect different base bead/disk colors have on the final effect.

I also want to say how much I like the pearlescent look of Mike H's pleats. MOP or Shampoo glass? Very nice!

Thanks Tink!
The glass I used is just plain old Effetre clear with a twistie of white and two
transparent shades blue which I then encased with clear after I applied the twistie to the base disc.

[afina]

Hi everybody!
Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I had 2 shows on the last weekends, so I was too busy to do anything else. Thank you everybody for your nice comments on my video.

I recommend a twisted cane that is made this way:
1. Melt a blob of opaque white and mash it into a paddle. Square off the sides.
2. Paint a dark transparent color on 1 side of your paddle.
3. Paint another dark transparent color on the other side of the paddle.
4. Paint some clear on one side (no matter which).
Melt and then twist tightly. Don't make the cane too thin.

I don't encase the cane, but the clear in between the two dark transparent colors helps to create a beautiful 3D effect. Hope this helps.
Regards, Verena

[Teena]

:hide: Ok, from all I've read, and seen pictures on this pleat bead, I have some in the kiln today! I only have one problem, well maybe only one... I cant get the pleats to get to the ends on the hole:???: I will post them in Gallery tomorrow. I'm really excited.

[playswithfire104]

Teena I'm really excited too! I think I "got it" today. A have a few in the kiln right now. I can't wait to see them tomorrow. My problem is getting both sides even. But I think that was addressed earlier in the thread I'll just have to go back and check. Thanks sooooo much for the pictures of the twisted canes! I wasn't using canes twisted as tight as I should have, the pictures really made everything else click!

[afina]

:hide: Ok, from all I've read, and seen pictures on this pleat bead, I have some in the kiln today! I only have one problem, well maybe only one... I cant get the pleats to get to the ends on the hole:???: I will post them in Gallery tomorrow. I'm really excited.

Hi Teena!
If you don't get the pleats from hole to hole, there is a trick shown in my video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP0WCd424c4). After you encased the part of the bead where the cane is, you can add more clear to the sides (but be sure to put the clear only on top of clear, not on the basebead) and melt it in again. Repeat until the pleats have spread to the holes.
Regards, Verena

[Vicki B.]

As far as the ends.

1. add additional clear (on top of the first clear, but at the edges) and melt in.

2. also - read posts 40-45 of this thread: http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67739&page=2

these posts discuss holding your mandrel vertically to help the ends droop over the hole and fold the surface further up inside the bead. This suggestion has helped me with other kinds of beads as well.

[Anzie]

I tried again today. Well not too bad but I didn't have enough colors in my twistie. And I might add it takes FOREVER on a hot head. lol. But I like it regardless. I'll try again tomorrow and hopefully will do a better twistie so it will show the pleats.
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[pittypat]

Corina's book, Passing The Flame, also has a picture of a pleated bead on page 118...

pat

[theglasszone]

I tried again today. Well not too bad but I didn't have enough colors in my twistie. And I might add it takes FOREVER on a hot head. lol. But I like it regardless. I'll try again tomorrow and hopefully will do a better twistie so it will show the pleats.
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This is neat! Is that "shampoo" on the ends? It looks kind of iridescent! Very pretty stuff in here - one of these days, I'm gonna try it! I'm on a Hot Head, too...!

DeAnne in CA

[Anzie]

Awww thanks! No it's not shampoo it's CIM Ginger. I made another one earlier today with urboros rods and I actually got real pleats. I'll see if I can get a pic. This one went a bit quicker. lol

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[danelady]

I finally found one of my pleated beads. It's not a great pic, but you can see the effect. I used Clear and one of the tropical corals.
Hugs
Lynnie
http://www.artemislampwork.com/etsy/pleatorange1.jpg

[danelady]

OK I finally have a couple sets of my pleated beads to share:
http://www.artemislampwork.com/etsy/prettyinpinkear1.jpg


http://www.artemislampwork.com/etsy/bombaycelebear1.jpg

[afina]

Congrats, these are very nice pleat beads!

[danelady]

Thank you Verena, I tried making a longer bead, we'll see how THAT turns out! LOL I am working without my right hand (and I am right handed ) LOLCongrats, these are very nice pleat beads!

[Lara]

Here are my cased twisty beads that I think are what others are calling pleated.

[glasslover]

Those are beautiful!

[Lindyj]

Thank you all really good info and your tut Verena

I thought I would have a try

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/LindyJ/pleated.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/LindyJ/pleatedbeadgreen.jpg

Lindy

[afina]

Hi Lindy! Glad it was of use, your beads turned our beautifully!

[playswithfire104]

Beautiful Lindy!

[Miss Kate]

Very nice video Verena! Thanks for sharing!

Miss Kate

[Virginia]

Hi, want to thank you SO much for your video - not sure if these look all that pleated, but spreading my cane, only encasing the cane has increased considerably how far I can spread it out. They take awhile, but I am just having the best fun. I am "cane making obsessed", and now I am "cane spreading obsessed" - my muse is pushy - she gets in a rut and won't let me out - I am not complaining though - thanks again - Virginia

[afina]

Hi Virginia!
You made beautiful beads! I especially like the 2nd and the last one. Keep up the good work!

[artyfacts]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/LindyJ/pleated.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/LindyJ/pleatedbeadgreen.jpg

Lindy


Nice pleats Lindy

Liz :waving:

[BeadMaven]

Here are my cased twisty beads that I think are what others are calling pleated.

I really like these....I *always* love your beadis Lara!!!

Virginia, yours are so cool too....twisiting the twisties, isn't glass fun? :lol:

Nice work ladies ;)

[Lara]

Thanks Beadmaven

[ginkgoglass]

The great thing about this thread is it got me making twisties (ribbon cane) and doing them so much better than before! :love:

But I have to say, you all have the patience of saints to do these beads. Or maybe its just me. . . and boro . . . they take a LONG time!

I'll post some pics soon of my attempts, but I think they look like striped beads more than pleated, LOL.

And btw, I'm supposed to be making crosses for a local shop and got sidetracked on these fun things.

[ginko]

It may be just me, but I make a distinction between the pleated and striped beads by whether there is an assymetrical fan to the twist. For example, my Fin series is what I would call striped beads.

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What I would call a pleated bead is more like this.

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Am I just being too picky in my descriptions, or are these both forms of pleated beads?

[tmerrill]

bueatiful--how did you do it?

[tmerrill]

sorry, the page jumped when i posted , i was looking at yellow dogs post of a "baleen" bead she posted when i asked how she did it, in her post she said she was willing to share. gotta to try some of these pleated beads today!!!

[playswithfire104]

Ginko I agree with you.

[Just Nancy]

I didn't think there was any actual difference. For a name, I thought they were all encased twistie beads. I guess names are what we make them.

[BeadMaven]

I agree Nancy.

I mean don't they all originate from a twistie?
I thought the only difference is choice of glass used and the tightness of the twistie.

[Tink]

To me, it's all about the way they look. Yes, they're all made from twisties. But as you said, Dona, the choice of glass plays an important role. IMO, in striped beads, you only get a one dimensional look. For me to consider something a pleated bead, it must look... Well... pleated! Like the pleats in skirts. Three dimensional. That look comes from a careful choice of opaque AND transparent glass, the construction of the twisty and, of course, the construction of the bead itself.

Take the usage of the term "ribbon cane": I was taught that ribbon cane is flat, not round. There must be a flameworking glossary somewhere. If not, there should be. LOL! It would be nice to have consistency throughout the medium.

[Virginia]

I think a Glass Flameworking glossary would be wonderful. I often am confused as what to call my "cane" - I just keep making them. I think if someone saw my little glass studio and all the cane or twisties they would die from laughter and wonder what in the world I am doing. I have been too sick to go out there for a few days, and am going thru twistie-cane withdrawl. It is a whole new additional addiction to add on top of lampworking itself.
anyway - thanks for the kind words, Verena and Beadmaven - I love feedback from other lampworkers - I am kind of in the middle of the middle of nowhere - not any other lampworkers right here - have to travel a bit - then they are all boro workers - will have to do some hunting around - see who is in the "woods" - Virginia

[Gelly]

Great beads everyone!! I don't know the correct terms for anything, but I call these pleated also. I'm still amazed at all of the different looks/effects that we can create with the same basic thing (twistie).


Here are a couple of my current ones.
http://gellybutton.com/images/apr8/20/frog1.jpg
http://gellybutton.com/images/apr8/20/pleat1.jpg

[afina]

What a cute pleat-pig!

[Virginia]

hey gelly, do one of the pleated beads in black and white for a tuxedo pig - you probably have done tuxedo pigs before I bet - V

[ginkgoglass]

I tried these in boro and they are fun, but take a LONG time.

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[Tink]

Here's a teeny, weeny pleated marble, about 3mm:

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[glassactcc]

Oh Tink, those are so darn cute.

[Tink]

LOL! Thanks! I just HAD to try it, ya know?

[PeggyRose]

Oh Tink, those are so little and so cute. Gelly the frog is wonderful.

Here are a couple that I tried a couple of days ago. They were fun to make and I love the "pleated" look for floral backgrounds.

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tail wags,
Peggy

[playswithfire104]

Peggy they look great.

Tink, I can't even begin to imagiine how to make such small works. Your little ducks amaze me.

[Lara]

Ok, so here are my latest twisty beads. Since ya'll know I'm a bit confused between the pleated and twisty and the difference of the two, would you consider these pleated?

[StOrM]

I would call them pleated. they look like pleated

[Pat]

Lara, I think the difference as in the Japanese Bead book is the pleated beads are marvered into bicones. It's very time consuming and a little different. That's my take anyway.

[glassactcc]

It's the twistie that is used and how it's made that make the bead look as though it is "pleated". If you make the twisties the way the book shows, you will get that look. If you use other forms of twisties, the "pleats" will look more one dimentional.

Peggy Rose and Lara, those beads look wonderful.

[Lara]

Thank you.

[ginko]

Tink! You blow me away. That teeny is adorable!

Lara, beautiful colors, so soft. Yes, I would call them pleated. The one in the top, center clearly shows the V of the ribbon, which to me says pleated.

[Tink]

Thanks! I'm hopelessly addicted to the miniscule :-)

Seeing this thread pop up again put me in a panic because I remembered putting the itsy pleated marble in a globe, but I couldn't find it. It wasn't listed on Etsy. I knew I hadn't even taken pics of the finished globe yet. I finally found it in a totally bizarre place.

At least I found it. It's in a Micro Planet Depository globe, safe and sound. Whew! I'm going to try to take some better pics of it later today.

ETA: Nah. Those pics will have to do. I just can't deal with pics today. LOL!

[Lea Zinke]

For all of you who are doing "pleated" beads, you've actually conquered the implosion technique. You're just imploding both ends of the bead -- where the imploded pendants we see lots of the boro folks doing are just imploding one side off-mandrel! So, isn't that interesting???!!!!LOL

Keep spinning glass, no other fun like it!
Lea=D>

[danelady]

Thanks Lea!!

Can you expound on that a bit please? As someone who still doesn't "get" implosions, I would love you to explain the parallels and differences.

I can make pleated neads, but can't even begin to understand how to make an implosion!
thanks
Lynnie

For all of you who are doing "pleated" beads, you've actually conquered the implosion technique. You're just imploding both ends of the bead -- where the imploded pendants we see lots of the boro folks doing are just imploding one side off-mandrel! So, isn't that interesting???!!!!LOL

Keep spinning glass, no other fun like it!
Lea=D>

[Lea Zinke]

..let's see if I can explain (I'm much better at demonstrating than explaining!LOL)

I've been doing implosions for awhile so the minute I tried the pleat technique, I knew they were essentially doing the same thing. You know where you are focusing the heat of the flame at the edge of the encasement and the twisty? And then as you're holding the mandrel almost vertically and the encasement begins to flow down and cover the twisty and the end of the base bead creating the effect of the fat lady's ankle as someone so graciously analogized it? The flowing stops when your encasement meets the mandrel in this case. And then you do the same thing on the other side of the bead, creating her second ankle. ROTFL.

Well, the implosion is created the same way. The heat of the flame is focused on the edge of the encasing "disk" where it is going to flow down and cover the surface decoration (whether it's dots or frit or petals or whatever). At this point, you are basically holding the glass rod vertically just as you held the mandrel vertically above. The implosion design happens when that surface decoration gets sucked down with the encasing layer. The difference is that the encasement continues and "traps" the surface decoration fully encasing it -- where when you did it above, the mandrel prevented this from happening.

So the pleated bead is basically the on-mandrel version of an implosion. In the case of the "pleats" you've used the encasement to pull the twisty down -- in the case of the implosion you've used the encasement to pull the surface decoration down.

OK, does that make any sense???? Just try it on blind faith (trust me), and you'll get it!

Best,
Lea

[danelady]

I am going to try what you suggest, but I guess my bottom line problem is that I never hold my mandrel vertically when creating a pleated bead!

[GlassChick]

Gelly;

Do you think you could do a tut on these beads? They're Wonderful!!!

Lynn

Great beads everyone!! I don't know the correct terms for anything, but I call these pleated also. I'm still amazed at all of the different looks/effects that we can create with the same basic thing (twistie).


Here are a couple of my current ones.
http://gellybutton.com/images/apr8/20/frog1.jpg
http://gellybutton.com/images/apr8/20/pleat1.jpg