how to make a size 8 glass ring?
I have an 11/16 big hole mandrel which makes a fun ring in size 7 to 7 1/2, but the next size available (via Frantz) was the 3/4, which is 9 to 9 1/2 ring size. I've tried to double coat the bh 11/16, but the second coating of bead release explodes off. Ideas anyone? I've got a customer who'd like a size 8 :) thanks, Deb
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You can dremel out the inside until you get an 8. You need to make the ring thicker to compensate for the loss but I have done it. Luckily I got the right size mandrel for an 8, it is easier!
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off mandrel and use a tapered reamer marked for size and insert it. please post if you find other ways. i also have used small pipe sections from the hardware store.
ro |
purchase a ring mandrel from a jewelery supply store and this steel bar can be used to size your rings as you make them (be sure to only use graphite to ream the ring out though - as to not ruin your ring mandrel)
check out the tutorial i posted :) http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=16098 |
I've thought about drilling some holes in a 2x4 of the various sizes and filling with ceramic slip and firing to bisque after sizing them correctly and polishing. Anyone have any thoughts about trying this?
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Bob,
I'm not sure what type of pollishing you are going to do, but i'm not sure ceramic would work as a large hole madrel. The heat/cooling properties of clay/ceramic I belive is different than that of glass. You might have problems with shocking. I could be wrong though, it might work. Let us know if it does. Good luck |
Since ya'll are discussing rings... has anyone experimented with soft glass rings? Is it strong enough for a ring? Or is boro necessary for ring-making?
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http://daydreamglass.etsy.com I have an assortment of big hole mandrels from Arrow Springs that I make them on. It's totally addicting. I have to force myself back into "bead mode" sometimes. -Daria |
mmm...very nice Daria!
off to to look for BIG hole mandrels...:) |
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I know a special trick for rings that my friend chad came up with. i havent seen anyone else do this. take any stainless socket wrench clamp to your table, socket up, now you can put any size socket on pull a hot cane wrap around socket badda bing you have a ring
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Daria I assume you are coating your mandrels with bead release so my question is, how do you get the inside of your rings smooth and shiny after using release? Your rings look terrific and the insides seem very smooth and appealing. So what's your secret to clean shiny insides of rings? Red |
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well bob that's sound as a try out *S* i have some porselen clay that takes more heat i will try that out let all know it it works what a great idear hope it works... but 8 i gues you means inch i am use to cm and mm here in Norway,
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how do you get the insides so nice...wow, great rings!
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Hi Debora- I am getting size 8 rings on my 11/16 mandrel. It has to do with the width of the band. The 11/16 gives me rings approx. between 7 1/2 size and 8. The wider the band the smaller they fit. You can look at the size 8's in my Etsy store and see the difference compared to the 7 1/2 on the second page and another one on the third page. Hope this helps. -Daria |
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take a socket u know the things u loosen bolts with put on your table socket up now use a c clamp clamp to table now what ever size socket u use is your ring size pull twistie or stringer while still hot wrap your twistie around the socket until stiff now u have a perfet circle decorate from ther
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great responses!
Thanks everyone so much for the great responses! I am going to try an 11/16 mandreal and see how that works out, but the other suggestions are great too. I do have one problem though...of the 4 rings or so that I have made, 3 have broken now, and one that I was wearing at the time cut me in the process...not fun! Others I have talked to have discouraged making rings from soft glass...so I am curious how you, Daria, have had such great luck keeping the darn things in one piece... I'd sure like to make some more and sell some, but with the luck I've had so far, I wouldn't dream on selling. Perhaps I just need to practice more and make my band nice and thick...
Isn't PRACTICE always the answer...SMILE! |
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"so I am curious how you, Daria, have had such great luck keeping the darn things in one piece" (quote from Deb)~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well... if you could see the scars and cuts all over my 'manual laboring' hands right now, you would see that the rings I wear go through a lot of abuse. I do take my annealing very seriously. What I can tell you is: definitely do not to use Dark Silver Plum for the main band material. Those break (for me, anyway)! Too bad, because I love the look of it. I haven't tried any other fancy silvered glass, either, because of this. Due to my studies in Physical Science, I've always figured that if I were to break one while wearing it, that the glass would break 'away' from my finger, not 'into' it. Now your injury worries me...:-k :sad: I hope you weren't hurt too bad. |
daria, it all depends on what you're doing at the moment that caused the ring to break.
i've only broken one ring, but wow, was that a STOOPID moment that caused it... it wasn't annealed yet (my big mandrels are too long for my kiln so i batch anneal), but i liked it so much i decided to wear it anyway. i was at my cousin's, playing with his youngest daughter, i think she was 3 or so at the time... and she said she'd teach me a new game. we sat on the floor, and she said- "it goes like this-" and started pounding on the floor with both her hands... she was so funny doing it, that i joined her, completely forgetting that i was wearing an un-annealed glass ring!!! :jawdrop: and that's how i learned that when you pound an un-annealed ring to the floor- oh well, it breaks! anyway, i think i was lucky not to hurt myself, but breaking the ring this way, it couldn't have broken away from my hand, only into it. i guess i was lucky it was a thin band (oh, it was so comfortable too... :( ) |
Hi Guys,
I have a question about that ring mandrals from Frantz, I bought one a while back and just tried it the other night, I dipped in bead release , dried and then started to apply glass and there was fumes and it smell like something was burning. Any thoughts about this? Thanks so much. I am perplexed. |
Hi There Everyone!
Well, if it were me...I'd try a combo burrito using Michael's (FiG) tutorial on "Making Rings Off Mandrel" (here's the link): http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=75360 With this neat looking little tool from WeaverInd (here's the link, too): http://cgi.ebay.com/Fine-Grain-Graph...QQcmdZViewItem To start with, after purchasing the Graphite Ring Mandrel, I'd use it as a "guide" and take a piece of paper, wind it around the size on the mandrel of the ring I intend to make, and use this as a length guide for the cutting the Latticio or rod or whatever the ring will be made from. Then you know you have the length/size ratio correct. After following Steps/Photos #1-8 of Michael's Tutorial, at Step/Photo #9, I'd use the Graphite Ring Mandrel to do the final shaping - first into round using the smaller sizes/tip end. Then, as the ring rounds out into shape, I'd carefully (with "tongs" or "tweezers", carefully slide the ring up to the correct original size, and make sure it's "true". How this idea sounding? Now I want one of those Mandrels!!!! Ha...it's always something!!! DeAnne in CA |
you can replace the tongs or tweezers with a glass punty and it's even easier because you don't have to make an effort to hold them closed, just hold the punty like any other glass rod :)
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why dont you guys believe
i really don't understand why everyone says to buy some expensive ring mandrels and such. those are at least 35 plus $ when everyone has a socket set in thier garage. thats cool what do I know anyway. the fact that my friend who makes tons of rings uses a different socket for each different size ring and none of them break because he knows what hes doing. just trying to help peace
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Well, first of all, if I dare get near my Hubby's socket wrench set (especially with the words "hot glass" scrolling across my forehead and flashing neon in my eyes!), I'm sure he'd FREAK! So as far as the ones I have just "hanging" around in my garage, they're spoken for. (After all, if he asked if he could "borrow" my torch for a welding job, I'd tell him to take a hike!) So, I guess this is partly why some of us would bother to spend the money on an actual "Mandrel" to make the rings...this way, we're sure it's not going to be "reborrowed" back, and, further, if the mandrel (like the one from WeaverInd., $32.50 by the way on a BIN) actually HAS the ring sizes "marked" right on it, well, no guessing and no "experimenting" with which "socket" do-hicky actually makes what size ring. If you'd care to share the formula here, though - I'm sure lots of people would appreciate it. For example, which size "socket" should be used to make a Size 8 ring...? I think that was the original question which began this whole thread after all!!! Yeah? (Giggle) Thanks in advance for your help! DeAnne in CA |
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ok sorry but a socket set can be purchased for way less than 32.50. as far as which is a size eight I don't know mybe you could stick it by a size eight finger then mark a peice of paper telling what size for what finger just an idea. sorry if i'm loosing a sale or two on your ring mandrel but if i'm correct it would be easier to hold hot glass around something that is one size than something that if you slide up or down the slightest your size eight may now be 7.5 or whatever. I'm sure if you asked your hubby if he has any old sockets blah blah oh yah and since there made out of sainless then the heat most likley won't hurt them. good tools you can get replaced for free craftsman, snap on. thanks
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i have 2 ring mandrels, one was a gift, the other one (i'm wearing a ring made with it right now) cost me $22 :)
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Here's yet another tool for you to buy.
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DeAnne in CA |
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