Murrini Epic FAIL
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ETA I'm pretty sure now it was the clear and not the murrini that caused the cracks you see here. :cry:
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Hey Elizabeth.
Sorry that happened to you I don't no what murrini that is or who made it. I looks a bit like it has silver glass in it? Maybe its just having a bad reaction. It will be interesting to see if this murrini was made with a different Coe. Good luck, John |
Wow!! That's quite the reaction!
I wonder if one of the murrini makers accidentally threw in some 90 by accident. If your supplier makes 90 as well, then maybe that's what happened, one got mixed into your 104. Hopefully it was just one, anyway! |
You sure it's not 96? It looks like Raku and when I make Raku murrini, I use Uroboros black. Definitely not compatible with 104. (Raku murrini made with 104 black is, though.)
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It also looks like maybe the murrini was made with Multi light witch I think is a Reichenbach color coe 96 and would work on the surface of a but may not like being encased.
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What color did you use the murrini over? It might be your murrini is okay but the glass under it is one that has known incombatibility issues.
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The clear is Uroboros 104. The murrini are on the surface, not encased. I don't think a murrini made with 96 on the surface would fail that way. Bullseye probably would but I don't think Bullseye makes a color like that. Maybe off- spec StrikingColor but still I don't think it would make such a radical difference.
I found two more of them mixed in my stash and stuck them on a test bead. I'll see what they do on that one when they come out of the kiln. |
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Uroboros recently started making 104 cane.
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I have had serious cracking issues with Uroboros 104 if I encase heavily, which I do for my faceted beads. The way I have found to get around the cracking is to start with a core of the Uroboros clear.
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Could the murini be Jameylynns. also I mad 3 beads with the new Uroboros clear and they all cracked even the ocean one with no silver glass.
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Nope not mine. I have never made a batch with that many black stripes. I usually end up with about 10. I don't think I've sold to Elizabeth, either.
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Have you participated in an exchange, Elizabeth?
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That looked to be a very lovely and unique bead. I'm so sorry that happened to your hard work. I hope you are able to resolve the issue. Not feeling confident about some of your materials can be unnerving. If you try that design again will you post images of it for us to see?
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I've made and used murrini with Brad's offspec cane and have never had a failure. Mine are most often fully encased.
Fear not people I keep those for myself. Just to clarify, when I used it it was for stripes on the surface of the entire gather. If it was the main component, it might be different.... maybe. I don't think that looks like SC. My bet is MC or MCD. |
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I've encased literally dozens of beads with Uroboros 104 without problems including all kinds of silver glass. I blew through 4 lbs. of it and already ordered more. I've used murrini on a number of them.
I've never bought murrini from Jamie Lynne. I've been in one murrini exchange, but I've kept those murrini separate and have never used them. Brad I absolutely did not mean to imply that it was off-spec SC. I was just pondering possibilities and as I concluded, I didn't think it would make that radical a difference even if it was. I've watched Trey Cornette use a chunk of 96 Raku rod (not cane) to make murrini and use it on 104 beads. There's enough silver in 96 Raku, MC and MCD that they should all be fine on the surface of 104. The test bead I made yesterday is fine so far but it took this one a couple of days to crack so I'm going to watch it and see what happens. I didn't encase it so its not really a fair test anyway. I think this may be destined to remain a mystery - and hopefully a one-time fluke! :rolleyes: Andrea here's another bead in that design. |
Just because two glasses are the same COE in no way means that they are 100% compatible, just look at the fusing forums.
Bullseye...Compatibility of Glasses http://www.bullseyeglass.com/images/...chnotes_03.pdf |
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This peaked my memory and 2 of the beads I had crack weird like that were with Urboros clear with a cz put on the top. But I have no idea why they cracked. I didn't encase the cz after putting it on.
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Thank you for posting the second bead Elizabeth. It's such a lovely optical illusion. May I ask what blue you used for the bead? My DH wants me to make a fish in a shade of blue that looks like the color of a car he had that was painted a color named Electric Blue. The color of your bead is the closest thing I've seen to it. Sorry to go off topic...
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Andrea - I think that glass is Clio because that is what I mostly use but I wouldn't swear to it.
Denise - I've been using my new batch of Uroboros for a couple of weeks. Brad- I'm not an expert or chemist, I am just repeating what I have been taught (and validated by personal practice), as summed up in this quote from the Val Cox frit website: Quote:
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Hi Liz! I'm pretty sure that's one of our murrini in that first photo. I am so sorry this happened to your beautiful bead! I do hope it's not the murrini that caused the problem. These things can be so difficult to pinpoint. This particular murrini used StrikingColor glass in it. I've don't believe I've ever purchased an off-spec batch from Brad so I don't think the problem stems from that.
I will happily refund your purchase price for the murrini, Liz! I'll try to find your order to see how many packs of this you bought. :love: |
Lori - no need to refund, you are sweet to offer. I doubt it was the murrini at this point, and look how pretty it is. I'll probably order more. :)
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