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DawnT 2007-11-12 8:36am

Those look cool! Thanks for the pic.

Jamn! 2007-11-12 3:25pm

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Originally Posted by Kare TX (Post 1478137)


Those are very nice Kare. They look pretty sturdy too!
Thanks :)

Jamn! 2007-11-12 3:26pm

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Originally Posted by RuskinDesigns (Post 1478976)
OK - here they are. They can be purchased at www.mountainglassarts.com or through me - pm me if interested.

Oh and talk about sturdy!!! lol Those are very cool Jodie!

Thanks! :)

fyrsmith 2007-11-12 4:33pm

Copied from the tut thread:
Shelly, Is that zig-zag or wig-wag? One is done by raking wraps the other is done by twisting tube. The pipe-makers have so over-done these techniques that many now look down on them. I even saw a tee-shirt that said "Friends don't let friends wig-wag" LOL!!! Nevertheless, really nice designs can be made with raking. Parts of my ornaments are done that way. See the http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=71543 thread.

Also, please post a picture of what you are asking about in this thread.

-Don

hotcoles 2007-11-12 8:21pm

Here's a butterfly I made from the tut. They're quite fun to make.

Here's the tool to which Dawn was referring. I love it!!! Makes a world of difference when making holes as in the twistie tutorial.

And some twists using the tool.


ShelleyLee 2007-11-12 9:12pm

Sure Don... I hope whoever owns these beads doesn't mind me using their pic!

I've seen lots of variations on this look and really like them... I'd love to know how you do it!

thanks
Shelley

earlbacher 2007-11-12 9:20pm

make a disc with whatever colors you want, then dots for clear alternating on either side of the disc, then melt in... the clear will push the color about

Jodi_B 2007-11-13 7:40am

Warning: Cross Post :roll:

Well I finally got the new torch set up and some time to melt glass. Not the greatest piece in the world, but it's a start.

First attempt at working with tube. Didn't get the scum cleaned off the end, but I was more worried about practice rather than presentation at this point.

It's done with GA's Havana Moon-Light
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...bePendant2.jpg

I apologize for the lack of natural light in the picture. I live in the Pacific Northwest and we won't see the sun for another 6 months at least:wink:

Have a great day.

Jodi

Beckah 2007-11-13 8:43am

Jodi, lovely implosion!

I have trouble photographing soft glass and boro is really tough! But you look like you've conquered that.

And nice loop!

Beckah 2007-11-13 8:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShelleyLee (Post 1480228)
Sure Don... I hope whoever owns these beads doesn't mind me using their pic!

I've seen lots of variations on this look and really like them... I'd love to know how you do it!

thanks
Shelley

Here's a link to Cosmo's tutorial:
http://www.soleiletlune.com/tutorials/wave.html

ETA: I got Cosmo/Chad's/Soleiletlune's Boro Beginner's pack yesterday and it's a nice selection. It included a printout of the tutorials on his site -- including this one.

DawnT 2007-11-13 8:48am

You can get a similar effect by making a twistie cane, winding two or three wraps on the mandrel, taking a 3mm stringer and applying it around your bead in a wave pattern from side to side and then encasing.


fyrsmith 2007-11-13 1:46pm

What Shawn, Dawn and Cosmo said. These "wave" beads use the clear melting in to move the color around. Its a very different and smoother effect than what you get with raking. Very nice beads.

-Don-

Beckah 2007-11-13 3:09pm

My Newbie boro lesson of the day -- flying glass can catch your shirt on fire!



This is the second time that I've been trying to do the butterfly cuts that a small piece has flown off. The first time, I managed to avoid the flying glass. This time, it got my arm and as I was getting rid of that piece, I smelled my shirt burning! I held the shirt away from my body and blew out the flames so I only got the one burn on my arm. But it was a tad too exciting and, worst of all, I lost the butterfly!

earlbacher 2007-11-13 4:09pm

awww... hope your okay...
look!! you can almost see the butterfly in the shirt!!


no really, hope your okay..

Venbead 2007-11-13 4:55pm

two words
leather apron

Venbead 2007-11-13 4:58pm

I cross posted the tut I was asked to do for wetcanvas over in our boro tut thread. I figured Dawn wouldn't mind :) enjoy

Beckah 2007-11-13 5:01pm

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Originally Posted by earlbacher (Post 1481530)
awww... hope your okay...
look!! you can almost see the butterfly in the shirt!!


no really, hope your okay..

Thanks! I'm fine -- well one small burn on my upper arm... but an amusing tale since all ended well.

Kare TX 2007-11-13 7:25pm

Paula, thanks, actually Dawn has been reposting over in this boro Tutorial thread. So thanks for posting here. And thanks for the great tutorial!!!


Beckah- Glad no serious burns

DawnT 2007-11-13 9:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venbead (Post 1481641)
I cross posted the tut I was asked to do for wetcanvas over in our boro tut thread. I figured Dawn wouldn't mind :) enjoy

Thanks so much Paula - I was going to PM you about it but you were already on it!

fyrsmith 2007-11-14 12:37pm

Beckah,

If you are having pieces of glass actually break off as you are cutting, you are using too much force. Try getting the glass hotter, use less force and make several snips with reheating in between.

-Don-

Beckah 2007-11-14 1:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fyrsmith (Post 1483122)
Beckah,

If you are having pieces of glass actually break off as you are cutting, you are using too much force. Try getting the glass hotter, use less force and make several snips with reheating in between.

-Don-

I'll try that! Thanks for the tip.

Beckah 2007-11-14 1:32pm

Maybe someone can troubleshoot some of my other issues as I felt quite discouraged this morning.

I'll start with the easier problem. I was trying to make a wave bead yesterday and I built up the glass fine but when I started melting it down, I saw that the bead release had blistered and broken away. I didn't finish melting the glass down because it would've ended up on a bare mandrel. I've tried straight Smooth 'n Tuff, straight Dip 'n Go sludge and a mix of the two. The straight Dip 'n Go has been the best so far but it isn't marvelous. Should I switch to a boro specific bead release? And, which one is recommended?

I'm also having trouble with implosions. I'm using a MiniCC with NG. It seems to me that I need a pretty bushy flame to melt the boro. However, when I have the bushy flame and I point the flame at the "rim of the tire" the entire ball of glass gets so hot that it starts separating from the rod. If I go to a more pointed flame, it seems to be too cool and the glass never seems to melt. Yesterday's implosion got so wobbly on the rod that it eventually rocked over and attached itself to the rod.

DawnT 2007-11-14 2:34pm

Beckah I use Fusion Bead Release since my Bucket O' Mud did the same cracking thing on me. The Fusion works really well for me.

As for the implosions I have the same problem with my rod wanting to melt off. I just try to be really careful that I don't get that part as hot.

earlbacher 2007-11-14 4:12pm

like with beads and mandrel, you have to direct your heat so it doesnt hit the rod...

fyrsmith 2007-11-14 5:43pm

Hi everyone,

I just posted a pic tutorial on loops done on a pin in the other thread. Please comment.

-Don-

Rob 2007-11-14 6:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fyrsmith (Post 1483722)
Hi everyone,

I just posted a pic tutorial on loops done on a pin in the other thread. Please comment.

-Don-

Don, It appears to be a very useful method and one I had not thought of before (like that is a surprise) However to be honest almost any technique will be helpful ;)
Thank you for posting it.


Rob.

Beckah 2007-11-14 9:21pm

It's a neat idea that I haven't seen before -- I'm planning on giving it a try. Thanks for posting the tutorial.

Jami 2007-11-14 9:35pm

Beckah
Sorry about your burn! Yikes!
When cutting the wings, make sure the glass is molten and glowing before cutting.
It takes several reheats to get each cut done. If it starts crunching, it's too cold.
For the implossions, use a larger diameter clear rod and it won't melt as easily when imploding.

RuskinDesigns 2007-11-15 6:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beckah (Post 1483267)
Maybe someone can troubleshoot some of my other issues as I felt quite discouraged this morning.

I'll start with the easier problem. I was trying to make a wave bead yesterday and I built up the glass fine but when I started melting it down, I saw that the bead release had blistered and broken away. I didn't finish melting the glass down because it would've ended up on a bare mandrel. I've tried straight Smooth 'n Tuff, straight Dip 'n Go sludge and a mix of the two. The straight Dip 'n Go has been the best so far but it isn't marvelous. Should I switch to a boro specific bead release? And, which one is recommended?

I'm also having trouble with implosions. I'm using a MiniCC with NG. It seems to me that I need a pretty bushy flame to melt the boro. However, when I have the bushy flame and I point the flame at the "rim of the tire" the entire ball of glass gets so hot that it starts separating from the rod. If I go to a more pointed flame, it seems to be too cool and the glass never seems to melt. Yesterday's implosion got so wobbly on the rod that it eventually rocked over and attached itself to the rod.

I might be able to help with the implosions.
1. You already got the "use a larger diameter rod" - that would be my first suggestion too. I like to use 16mm.

2. If the 16mm rod is too thick for you to spin you can heat the end of the rod and plunge a red hot mandrel (or hollow tubing or SS chopstick) into the end then work your way up the glass rod with the flame and cut off a 2-3" hunk of glass. Now you can start to heat up a gather and create your maria to work off of.

Beckah 2007-11-15 6:51am

Thanks Jami & Jodie!

I was using 14mm clear and did ok but it was taking about 45 minutes to get it imploded. It may partly be my technique... but I did keep trying to figure out how to get the flame hotter. Well hotter with the MiniCC on NG meant a bushier and bushier flame. So with this latest implosion, I had moved down to 12mm to see if it would take less time and also because I wanted something on a smaller scale.

I will try using an old mandrel -- I use old mandrels to pull twisties and like that.

Thanks again for the help.


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