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2011-01-04, 5:33pm
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And your tutorial is one of the one's I've purchased. I saved up for that from the first moment I saw it.
And it didn't need to be in the main section.
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2011-01-04, 5:33pm
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The way I use the forum, if I wanted to buy tutorials I'd go straight to the "Tutorials for Purchase" section and browse through them.
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2011-01-04, 5:38pm
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I didn't say it received less attention or that it isn't as good of a section. I said it was perceived to receive less attention. It's the perception, whether or not it's true, that is causing this problem.
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I caught that sentence right before you posted, and I changed it to read, "I think that "the paid tutorials forum... receiving less attention" is a false assumption that many vendors make". Because you're right, it's all about perception.
But if it's a false assumption, then let's work on that assumption.
I can easily see vendors saying "Well, I posted in the wrong section, and I got ten more sales. So that must be what caused it." That's easily false too, because I know I have to save up money to buy, and I might buy after that thread went up, but it was in spite of that, not because of it.
Whatever the assumption, shouldn't we be trying to uphold the current set of very lenient rules in place? I would hope it's not going to break any person's business to refrain from posting in the main section.
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2011-01-04, 5:39pm
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Ditto... I agree.. I find it a bit misleading to see something in the main listing to only click on it to learn it is an advertisement for a "tutorial for sale".
If I am looking for a new tut to purchase, I go direct to the "Tutorials for Purchase" section...
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The way I use the forum, if I wanted to buy tutorials I'd go straight to the "Tutorials for Purchase" section and browse through them.
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2011-01-04, 5:42pm
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... Whatever the assumption, shouldn't we be trying to uphold the current set of very lenient rules in place? ...
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How?
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2011-01-04, 5:46pm
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LMAO! that's the million dollar question 
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2011-01-04, 5:50pm
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Since we're talking about where we go when we do want to buy, something else just popped into my head.
I think Amy's banner is the perfect advertisement for her tutorial, and I love to see it every time she posts. It makes me feel happy to see those dots, because I feel inspired to try to use that technique.
Kim, I love your banner too, and it reminds me in a much nicer way that I want to buy that tutorial. In fact, I'd love to see more banners, side by side, for the other tutorials. A whole bar of them across the bottom of your posts would be gorgeous *G*
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2011-01-04, 5:55pm
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Another random thought:
Maybe the "Tutorials for Purchase" section should allow people to delete their own threads. That way, you can have Sale posts in there that can be deleted afterwards, and still have a good list of what's still available.
That might be a change Corri is willing to make. *crosses fingers*
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2011-01-04, 6:05pm
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Are thread-starting posts not deletable by the OP?
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2011-01-04, 6:07pm
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I think they're only deletable in the Garage Sale.
(*ponders* is that the only place?)
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2011-01-04, 6:30pm
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Are thread-starting posts not deletable by the OP?
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Nope. It would help to get rid of all of those "One day sales" and "Groundhog day sale" and "Pre-order sale" if they could be deleted. Counting the expired sale threads on the first two pages of the Tutorials for Purchase section...18.
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2011-01-04, 9:07pm
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Well, hope you guys get it all figured out. For me this is way too much time spent debating something I would definitely categorize as "the small stuff," but I'll respect whatever the general consensus is. Cheers to you all.
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2011-01-05, 8:01am
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For me this is way too much time spent debating something I would definitely categorize as "the small stuff,"....
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True, this really is small stuff compared to most things in life. But I'd think not irritating potential customers would be big stuff to a business owner.
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2011-01-05, 8:15am
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The process for deleting your own post is to report it (click on the little exclamation point icon in the top right corner) and request that it be deleted. Corri is usually pretty quick about it.
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2011-01-05, 9:00am
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True, this really is small stuff compared to most things in life. But I'd think not irritating potential customers would be big stuff to a business owner.
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Of course I don't want to irritate potential customers, Chris. All I meant was that where the paid tutorial section ends up and where the free section ends up is not enough of a big deal to me to continue arguing about it. I did say in my last post that I would respect whatever the general consensus was.
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2011-01-05, 9:50am
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It doesn't seem like it's that big of a problem; actually, having expired sale promotion posts in the tutorials for sale section seems like a bigger hindrance to me, in terms of making it more cluttery and harder to find the actual tuts. It seems like it would be really effective if a tut seller PMd Corri (otherwise she probably won't even see this thread) and ask that threads be made deletable in the tuts for sale section just as they are in the garage sale section. It makes perfect sense for the same reasons.
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2011-01-05, 11:01am
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The process for deleting your own post is to report it (click on the little exclamation point icon in the top right corner) and request that it be deleted. Corri is usually pretty quick about it.
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Good to know.
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2011-01-05, 9:29pm
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Let me preface this by saying I LOVE my tutorials. I have most of them for sale here on LE in my Paid Tutorial folder on my laptop. 
None of them has been purchased by clicking on a link in the main tutorial section. If you're concerned that you're not getting enough exposure for your tutorial for purchase (given the multiple areas there are to let the rest of us know), you can always buy a banner add. Doesn't every other vendor have to pay to have ads here?
And as for the percentage of free tutorials in the regular section, I went to the back pages the other day and bumped up a few because they were good ones and were worth revisiting. The ones that got bumped to the second page because of this were 3 for or about paid tutorials, and one that was asking for info. I just noticed that it hadn't really been answered and got pushed back.
Peace.
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2011-01-07, 10:27am
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(raising my hand...)
Mind you, I suspect that if Corri really wanted to make any changes, she probably would have already.
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This pretty much sums up this thread for me.
Remember Corri is the one and only Admin to the whole site, no moderators, no help.
I just did a quick check in this area and came up with about 900 threads.That isn't even counting the paid tutorial threads that average another 350 threads. So dividing that up into 3 sub categories, could take days.
Many of these threads you could not tell just by reading the title what category they would belong in. This is speaking from someone who has moved threads before.
Would it be worth your time and effort?
Damselfly, You can delete your own threads in the Garage, Auctions and Self Promotions, and Classes, Retreats and Get Togethers etc. Also if you are a LE vendor, you can delete your own threads in the Sale Rack, as only LE vendors are allowed to post in that area.
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2011-01-07, 11:51am
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I just did a quick check in this area and came up with about 900 threads.That isn't even counting the paid tutorial threads that average another 350 threads. So dividing that up into 3 sub categories, could take days.
Many of these threads you could not tell just by reading the title what category they would belong in. This is speaking from someone who has moved threads before.
Would it be worth your time and effort?
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If Corri gave me moderator status for one day I'd be more than happy to do it. But I know this conversation is making a few people weary and it's not really accomplishing anything anyway.
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Thanks for clarifying that, Shawn. I knew there was more, I just couldn't think of them.
I don't think that most people feel that changing things around would improve this section. It sounds to me like most people like this area the way it is, but would like vendors to post in the area that was created especially for them. Why create more work than we need to? Why can't the current system be used as it was designed?
And I would bet anything that Corri hasn't done anything like move or delete threads because no one reports them. I know I don't want to report them; I'm not trying to be vindictive.
Has anyone asked Corri if it was possible to make the Paid Tutorial section deletable by thread owners? I agree with Kalara that it should prob be a vendor. Amy, (I'll shamelessly ask  ) will you leave Corri a message?
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By the way, since this thread was brought back up, I think it's a bummer that Lisa AF's thread asking about Kim's tutorial wasn't started in the Paid Tutorial section. I think it would have gotten just as many views and just as many responses, and it would have increased the view rate of all the threads in that section.
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2011-01-07, 12:47pm
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I've sent Corri a message weeks ago about how cluttered the tutorial section was and never heard back from her. I doubt contacting her again would give me any different results.
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I certainly agree about separating things. Thats said, I just went to post new price info about my paid tut, and had to look pretty hard to find the right section. I knew it was there, but almost posted here by accident. I'm just not on le enough to remember that it was kind of a sub-category.
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How about 1 thread per tutorial. You write it, you start the thread, then you can promote your sales, discounts, ect in that thread. Then everyone can see what the changes have been.
Since we can edit out own posts, the OP can go in and update the original post for the special or sales and people would not have to go looking for the info. Fewer thread, less chance of getting buried.
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I like the solution above - keep this thread, but above have a tutorials for sale thread and a free tutorials thread
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It's been separated and it looks AWESOME in there... the division really showcases what a fantastic wealth of great FREE information the members of this forum offer. Thanks Amy!
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I'm still working on it. I think I have 19 more pages in the main section to sort out but I may be done today.
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2011-01-20, 10:13am
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You've done great work *hugs*
What did Corri say about sales and promotions for paid tutorials in the main section?
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You've done great work *hugs*
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Thanks. Corri didn't address that issue. She just gave me free rein to house clean.
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