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Old 2007-03-20, 6:32pm
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Can anyone tell me if its possible to get devetrification off of a bead and how to do that.


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Old 2007-03-20, 6:40pm
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It does not look to bad its actually one color in a frit mix......I'm just afraid my customers wont like it.
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Old 2007-03-20, 6:51pm
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You know.......I think thats a great idea! Thanks so much...... I always forget I can do that ..................by the way I LOVE your seahorse's!!! They are so wonderful!!
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Old 2007-03-20, 8:18pm
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I've removed detrification from beads before. I've done it with etching solution. You put it in the etching solution, give it a shake and take your beads out right away. It only takes a moment for the detrification to come off. You may have to rub your finger over it under the water to remove all, but it comes off easily. If you do it that way, your bead still remains shiny.
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Old 2007-03-20, 8:22pm
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Hmm that might be my first try and then i'll go from there.......thanks! I love the color but if I have to I'll etch them.
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Old 2007-03-21, 5:36am
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I've removed detrification from beads before. I've done it with etching solution. You put it in the etching solution, give it a shake and take your beads out right away. It only takes a moment for the detrification to come off. You may have to rub your finger over it under the water to remove all, but it comes off easily. If you do it that way, your bead still remains shiny.
Reeeealy. HUH! Now, this is a tip I've never heard before. Usually if I have a bead that has detrification on it, I just chuck it! I will try this the next time I have a problem. Thanks for the tip!!!

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Old 2007-03-21, 4:28pm
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Here's what I got out of a really pitty bead from over cooking raku-106. I etched it and gave it the "ancient" look. Pitty is not always bad when you can etch!
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Old 2007-03-21, 5:26pm
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yeah, you're right! Very nice!
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Old 2007-03-21, 6:17pm
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Wow.........it does look better!
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Old 2007-03-21, 7:38pm
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Is devit what people soak beads in coke to remove?
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Old 2007-03-22, 4:44am
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If the bead is smooth, you could go the other way and try polishing off the devitted surface with an ultrafine buffer. I have some foam jewelers polishing pads Rio Grande, but most often, a flexible foamcore "shine" nail buffer will also work for removing rough spots. I use them for tidying up coldworked edges.

A set from WalMart that has smoothers, buffers, shiners and polishers costs about two bucks, in the beauty/nail department.

By the way, it's devitrification, not detrification -- though I'm sure that was just a typo gone bad.
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It does not look to bad its actually one color in a frit mix......I'm just afraid my customers wont like it.
Customers will probably love it! Sometimes they like what we don't
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Old 2007-03-22, 11:32am
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Customers will probably love it! Sometimes they like what we don't
Isn't that the truth! I keep saying I have to make things I don't like so I can continue to sell stuff! Things that I think "No one would ever want that" sell right quick. Things that I think will fly off the table end up sitting around forever!
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Old 2007-03-22, 1:03pm
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Can anyone tell me if its possible to get devetrification off of a bead and how to do that.


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Can you please tell me what "devetrification" is? I'm a newbie. I'm sure if its something that shouldn't be on a bead, I've probably had it and didn't know what it was called!

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Old 2007-03-22, 10:06pm
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Can you please tell me what "devetrification" is? I'm a newbie. I'm sure if its something that shouldn't be on a bead, I've probably had it and didn't know what it was called!

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It's when the glass loses it's glossy shine in the flame, and instead, you have a finely pitted or unshiny, and even somewhat rough surface. Seen in colors like Effetre 254 purple, Zimmerman purple rose frit, raku-106 (as above in my post), copper blue Reichenbach frit, and there may be many other finicky colors like that.

You can usually get rid of it by letting the bead cool some and then go back in the flame to fire polish until the shine comes back. Takes practice, but with a good eye you can check the changes as they occur in the flame.

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Old 2007-03-23, 7:42am
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You can also take a teaspoon of borax in about a pint of water in a mister bottle, and sprasy it on your hot bead and return to flame and fire polish. Works for me anyway, but only on beads or other items you are working on and notice the divit at the time. After its annealed I have no Idea.

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Old 2007-03-23, 8:01am
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*slaps forehead* I know about borax for devit prevention in fusing, why did I not think of this for torching. Sometimes I am so stuck in a rut. Thanks, Dave, for the info!
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Old 2007-03-23, 9:05am
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Is devit what people soak beads in coke to remove?
I think the coke thing is for reduction, but am not 100% sure.
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Old 2007-03-24, 3:31am
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I think the coke thing is for reduction, but am not 100% sure.

Yep, it is. The reduction "scum" can be removed with Coke or toilet bowl cleaner, but devit is a surface texture change.
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Old 2007-03-24, 7:17am
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devitrification is when the glass begins to form crystals on the surface of your bead or fused glass project.
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Old 2007-03-24, 7:17am
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Old 2007-03-24, 9:03pm
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Ok you guys, I soaked a copper green reduced bead in coke for 3 days to remove reduction. No result. Soaked it in toilet bowl cleaner for 2 days. No result. I don't know what pop and cleaners you are using, but they are certainly more powerful than mine.
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Old 2007-03-25, 1:18am
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the toilet cleaner has to be one that removes limescale as well. I don't know if you can get it over there, but I use blue harpic. works a treat on copper green, dark turq etc.
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Old 2007-03-25, 2:15pm
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I use Snobol toilet cleaner because it works great AND it isn't thick and gooey like many popular brands. I store mine in a small mason jar. I keep another small mason jar with it so that when I put beads into it I can use a hand held strainer to remove the beads and poor the Snobol into the second jar. When the Snobol gets really coudy, I dump it in the toilet and clean with it. A bottle of Snobol can last me for years!!

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Old 2007-03-25, 7:11pm
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I use Whink Rust and Stain remover. But if you leave the beads in it too long it will etch them.
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I use "The Works" to remove reduction. But if the reduction is too heavy, I don't think anything will take it off.
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Old 2007-03-26, 11:44am
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I use The Works too. It works great on beads and the toliet too! I just found it the other day too at The Dollar Tree for $1. Bargain so I bought a few bottles.
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