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2016-07-07, 4:09pm
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Enamel question
Hi, does anyone know how to get enamel where you want it on the bead? More specifically than a sifter. Thank you!
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2016-07-07, 4:11pm
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Dip it in?
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2016-07-07, 4:17pm
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I think the most accurate method is to sift it over a stencil onto a graphite surface and then roll the molten glass bead onto the pattern to pick it up.
I did see some boro guys use laser printer images that were ironed on to sheet glass and then the sheet glass was wrapped around a cylinder bead.
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2016-07-07, 7:32pm
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Add a thin layer of enamel to a flat marver. apply a thin layer of glue from a glue stick to a rubber stamp. Gently press stamp on enameled surface. Make bead then carefully roll hot bead onto enameled surface. Melt enamel in.
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2016-07-08, 5:44am
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I remember BearFoot Arts ( the maker of the electric Mandrel Spinner { EMS } ) had small vibrating brass tubes with a variety of sizes of tiny openings that would dispense enamel powder in extremely fine lines that you could roll your hot bead over to pick up.
Just a sec....
Here is a youtube video from 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou33iBrQjf0
I would not be surprised if he has not sold this product off to Diamond Tech Crafts like the EMS mentioned above.
The book he mentions in the video by Cindy Jenkins should have more details on other techniques too.
If you wanted even more control I would try encasing the enamel in clear glass and then pulling fine stringer from that.
Let us know what you learn please.
ETA: His method of making a crease / valley in the hot bead and then applying enamel to that channel could get an even finer line if you then heated the bead enough for the channel to close back up. That should leave a very fine line where the two sides of the channel come back together.
Here is another video of his on these Vibe things;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSI15LtZFt0
And yet another update;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDdt11xtOeo
Yet another ETA:
Here is his web site;
http://www.bearfootart.com/category_...Frit-Vibes.htm
Seems he has updated the older version of this Vibe tool and has ones that will draw lines with the smaller frits as well as enamels.
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2016-07-08, 7:20am
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Clove oil or Lavendar oil on a marver ... draw out what you want sift enamel over and tap off excess. Theoretically anyways.
Other more precise method is make enameled stringers and use those to place the enamel.
Oh there was also a tute in Soda Lime Times where the person sifted out enamel ... used a rubber stamp coated in oil to pick up the enamel out of the areas of the stamp and created a negative impression for rolling the bead in. Haven't tried that one myself, yet.
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2016-07-08, 7:20am
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For a straight line, I put a little enamel on a flat marver, then use a razor edged tool to scrape it into a line. Heat the bead and immediately roll over the enamel.
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2016-07-08, 10:02am
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The little cone silfter that Arrow spring sells (not the regular tube type sifter) is also good for lines. Although they are not *razor* lines. Maybe work larger and find a balance you like. Personally, I think it defeats the purpose of having enamel powder if you want a clean line such as glass stringer provides, but I have seen some neat designs so that is just my 2 cents. For free.
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2016-07-09, 3:18am
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All great ideas. What I want to do is have a blob area of enamel, say green for a tree. I then want to draw stringer over this to outline the tree, crudely. The blob area of enamel doesn't have to be perfect, but I can't put it where I want by picking it up from the marver. On a lentil shaped bead, it's really hard, I end up getting a random section partially covered.
I like the cone sifter idea. I can put enamel where I want.
I love all the other ideas, too, for other projects.
Do the little line sifters/cone sifters typically work ok?
I've melted all my plastic sifters!
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2016-07-09, 4:52am
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You could use thin sheet metal folded so there is a creased corner and tap that like a sifter in order to try to control the enamel almost grain by grain.
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2016-07-09, 8:55am
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Patti, that sounds interesting.
Yes I have the cone sifter. Just remember to use your fingernail to rub against the coil and it vibrates it easily. I found it easy to control and doesn't get too hot. haha, I would not want to use plastic.
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2016-07-10, 4:46pm
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Arrow Springs has metal shifters - JC Enamel & Glass Sifters & has a new X-Small JC Line & Dot Applicator. Shown on their home page:
http://www.arrowsprings.com/
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We want pictures
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2016-07-11, 1:11am
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That's what I need, DJ. For powder, do I want 40 mesh or 60 mesh?
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2016-07-11, 3:19am
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I think the higher the number the smaller the grains that it will let pass through.
So you will want the 60 if you want the finest lines.
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2016-07-27, 8:43pm
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I love these sifters! Thanks
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