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Old 2007-03-01, 6:14pm
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Hey everyone, I've got a question for you. How do you make the nice loops on a pendant? Do you wrap it around a graphite rod or something to keep the loop from closing up? I've been trying this & they just don't look the way I want them to look.

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Old 2007-03-01, 6:32pm
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Vivian.

Are you making the pendants off mandrel? When I do it, I just make a seperate bead on a mandrel, heat up the spot where you want to attach the loop to the pendant, push the little bugger on there and viola!!! Pendant loop.
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Old 2007-03-01, 7:30pm
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Some may say it looks better when done off mandrel with a tungsten pick, but heck it saves me sooooo SOOOO much time doing the bails on mandrels like bonny said. So much easier and faster and waaaay less frustrating! I've tried both ways and I prefer to do it with mandrels. Plus with boro you can do one then by the time you're ready for the bail on your next pendant, the first one will be done and you can slide it off the mandrel and reuse that mandrel again. I do it usually 3 times if I had a good coat of release to begin with. Cheers!!
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Old 2007-03-01, 7:57pm
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Thanks.....I'm going to try it this way!! I appreciate your help so much!!
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Old 2007-03-01, 8:01pm
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Are you making the pendants off mandrel? When I do it, I just make a seperate bead on a mandrel, heat up the spot where you want to attach the loop to the pendant, push the little bugger on there and viola!!! Pendant loop.
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Old 2007-03-02, 4:47am
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Make 100 loops on the end of a rod... one after the other, not all 100 on the tip at the same time. After you're done wityh one, melt it in and do another. You'll waste much less glass and never destroy a good pendant with a poopy loop. After you've made 100, you'll know how to do it.
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Old 2007-03-02, 5:06am
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Mr. Smiley has it right on.....practice making them on the end of a glass rod.....over and over and over...it'll be frustrating at first and when it finally gets boring, you're set....you'll be glad you learned how down the road.
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Old 2007-03-02, 7:12am
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i cold seal onto what will be the bottom of my pendant, then i attach 5 mil to the top, since you have a nice straight handle this is a good time to hit the weld at the top and make sure its good and solid. then i flame cut the 5 mil to say 1/2 inch or so. i get the whole piece of 5 mil orangey and bend it back into a loop with my tweezers. this is the easiest way ive tried and they seem to look good

when you are heating the weld of the loop to the back of the pendant just use a very tiny flame, if you see the loop closing take it out of the flame and open it back up with a reamer
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Old 2007-03-02, 8:44am
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i use a brass tube attatched to my rod rack with wire, i heat a wide section of rod, bring it around tube, pull off end, burn off feed rod, tight flame to fully fuse the connection point. works great for me, you can also make mandrel beads and use them still on mandrel to attatch to the top, looks nice, ive found i have to keep the bead warm though, on one of the tapes i have they seem to be let to cool but ive had them crack.
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Thanks everyone.....I'm going to try all the suggestions until I find the right one for me.
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Old 2007-03-02, 3:47pm
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I never thought of doing them on the end of a rod. I'm going to practice that!

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Old 2007-03-02, 7:33pm
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Make 2 dots then bridge them, melt in.
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Old 2007-03-04, 11:38pm
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I got the vidio by Jim Smircich "Let this be a lesson to you"
I was haveing a lot of trouble with my loops till i got this vidio and now I can do almost perfect loops.
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Old 2007-03-05, 8:25am
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Personally I love making them right on the pendant with the reamer.
I love making offmandrel stuff without having to constantly clean out bead poopies!
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Old 2007-03-05, 8:49am
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Hmm, I'm a weird duck. I know that but why, oh why, do I seem to be able to do a free-handed loop on a heart but NOT on an implosion? And I'm winding up with a little sharp bit when I do a mandrel bead and attach that to an implosion. I think I'm mooshing it down too far on the bead when I attach it and I'm squishing a bit of glass too far to the sides. I need to work more on a light-handed moosh. (Don't cha just love techie glass talk?)

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Old 2007-03-05, 12:45pm
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The most important thing I've found while doing loops is to pay close attention to where the heat is in the glass (loops or anything else, actually ). Always heat where you want to bend and if the loop starts to close up, heat the thickest part when you ream...NOT the thin part!! Eventually, after doing a bunch, you will be able to see exactly where you need to put the heat to get it right. I like brent's idea of using the end of a rod
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Old 2007-03-05, 7:02pm
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When you are doing the loop with a bead, get the bead hot in one spot and the pendant hot in one spot, put together to meld and pull out slightly. You will have to tilt you bead in a little bit when you meld it together, perfect every time. You will still need to do a pin point flame right at the meld in front and back for a second.

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Old 2007-03-05, 8:34pm
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Just put a large dot, heat, pinch with the pliers, wiggle back and forth until cooled, then spot heat the hole to remove any tool marks.

Got them off eBay for around 5.00. They are called "hose grip pliers". Harbor Freight also has as set of 3 on their website.
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Old 2007-03-06, 8:50am
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I make all my loops with a tungsten poke. Then I refine the size with a small reamer.
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I've used my tungsten pick to poke holes, but somehow, somewhere the tungsten has gotten something on it, and it gets the glass dirty. Whatever it is doesn't come off in the flame, and now it's pretty much useless to poke holes. rats ...
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You can sand your tungsten with some wet dry sandpaper to get that off. I use a little bit of 600 grit emery paper. I am guessing the color on the tungsten is kind of a yellowish?
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Or you can just burn it off the glass...
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and I've found that those woodless pencils that you can get at art stores (buy the 4H) make great small easily handled graphite reamers for doing stuff like loops. They have a very thin plastic coating that I sand off about half way up the pencil. They sharpen with a pencil sharpener. Pretty neat.
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Old 2007-03-07, 1:06pm
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Eric, yeah, the stuff is a yellowish blech! I'll give the sandpaper thing a try. Thanks! Do you know what that stuff is, or what causes it???

Chad, when torching last night, I did use my pick, in spite of its grunge, and after enlarging the hole (in the body of the disk), most appears to have burned out, as you said. There is still some at the bottom, but anticipating this, I figured I'd eform the hole anyway.

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I punty the bottom pull a loop on the top, ream into shape heat once more and while keeping the reamer in the hole flatten the back.
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I got the vidio by Jim Smircich "Let this be a lesson to you"
I was haveing a lot of trouble with my loops till i got this vidio and now I can do almost perfect loops.
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how does he suggest doing it?
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FINE you guys have guilted me into doing them off mandrel. They are better without the bead release in them...
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I think loops just take practice.
here is a trick i learned tho

1 put a big dot on the top of the pendant

2. take a cold 1/8 or 3/32 mandrel and put a deep dent into it

3. cap the top with another blob

4. use your pick and make the hole round
5. melt it all in nice, using the pick to keep it open


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