Pleated beads? - Page 2

Carols Glass · #31 2008-02-25, 9:41am

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Originally Posted by Yellow Dog Girl

First, a reply to "rude Laura:" (LOL) I think they became pleated beads (at least for me) when I made a distinction in the 3-D look of the "pleated" beads. I make a LOT of twistie beads - and most don't have that 3-D effect.

So, the baleen thing. I tried a couple this weekend. I have never seen a Barley one in person (finances and life prevented me from taking his class the last time he was in Austin), but here's my interpretation from the pictures I've seen. If they're even close, let me know, and I'll be happy to share my how-to (which may be (probably isn't!) even close to MB).

(Sorry sorry sorry about all the smutz on the pictures - I wanted them kind of big so you could see the effect, but we have 5 long-haired dogs - dusting is an almost daily thing, and obviously on this day I decided to take pictures rather than dust!)

Yes, please, please share your how-to! Thank you

Troll Lover · #32 2008-02-27, 1:36pm

I get the encasing right, but didn't know what kind of twistie to make and use for the 3D effect. Thanks!

lldesigns · #33 2008-02-27, 1:42pm

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Originally Posted by Yellow Dog Girl

So, the baleen thing. I tried a couple this weekend. I have never seen a Barley one in person (finances and life prevented me from taking his class the last time he was in Austin), but here's my interpretation from the pictures I've seen. If they're even close, let me know, and I'll be happy to share my how-to (which may be (probably isn't!) even close to MB).

Oh please share how you did this! I keep wasting time and glass trying to figure it out without much success...

Rachel · #34 2008-02-28, 8:21pm

Yes, I would love to know. I have wanted to know for a while. I haven't been fortunate enough to take a class from Michael Barley but I would love to. I've tried many things to get the affect but haven't been successful. I often wonder why so many people that have taken his class haven't shared this technique. I would really love to know. I have asked people as nicely as possible that have had his class and each one has politely told me that they don't want to share. That is okay. I do understand but if you have managed to figure it out, I would really love to know. I would really appreciate it.

jj burke · #35 2008-02-28, 11:01pm

Verena I watched your youtube video. I picked out a few things that I missed when I tried it. The next time I try pleated beads I should be more successful Thanks for sharing! jj

Ekkie · #36 2008-03-02, 3:57pm

The big question for me is "How to make a large pleat bead?" I can make a small one like a small stripe bead but I can't get one to work at say 2cm long.

Can any one help?

Thanks
Jenn

dogmaw · #37 2008-03-02, 4:19pm

Jenn, have you tried a really fat twistie?

Ekkie · #38 2008-03-03, 12:07am

Thanks Jo. I tried that today after reading the other thread and it worked!!!

Thanks Jenn

Vicki B. · #39 2008-03-03, 6:55am

This is a great thread. Thanks, everyone.

I too was wondering about the longer beads. How fat does that twistie have to be - ?more than 1/4 inch?

I used some pretty fat ones - maybe 3/16ths and got nice beads - but not long. Maybe I should keep adding clear on top of the clear and shape the beads into a barrel gently? I did try that once and got an OK bead of about 12mm, but the twistie kind of "peters out" at the edges. maybe there's a better way of melting it in. It takes a really long time in the hothead.

Should I be melting from each side or mainly in the center?

dogmaw · #40 2008-03-03, 2:41pm

You shouldn't need a twistie bigger than 1/4". It will spread quite a bit. I do keep adding clear on top and shaping the barrel as I go. I find I get longer beads this way.

Diane (clarus) · #41 2008-03-03, 5:07pm

Verena, THANK YOU for the wonderful demo video. Seeing you make it really helps me understand how they're done. The music was perfect as well! This is a must see if you're trying to learn this technique.

-Diane

Vicki B. · #42 2008-03-03, 5:11pm

yes - thanks all for the wonderful tips and help on this method!

Deb · #43 2008-03-03, 6:57pm

Verena, your video was very helpful. Thank you so much! I'm going to try it tomorrow.

Virginia · #44 2008-03-04, 8:49pm

great you tube video - can't wait to try it - v

rguttierrez · #45 2008-03-07, 5:20pm

Yellow Dog Girl,

I would love to know how you created the baleen beads. They look great.

Nanette Marie · #46 2008-03-08, 11:07am

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Originally Posted by Rachel

Yes, I would love to know. I have wanted to know for a while. I haven't been fortunate enough to take a class from Michael Barley but I would love to. I've tried many things to get the affect but haven't been successful. I often wonder why so many people that have taken his class haven't shared this technique. I would really love to know. I have asked people as nicely as possible that have had his class and each one has politely told me that they don't want to share. That is okay. I do understand but if you have managed to figure it out, I would really love to know. I would really appreciate it.

They haven't told you because it wouldn't be fair to Michael Barley to give away his techniques that he makes a living by teaching others. He's a really nice guy and great teacher and you will learn a lot from him if you ever get a chance to take one of his classes. It is well worth the money.

dogsrlove · #47 2008-03-08, 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by Nanette Marie

They haven't told you because it wouldn't be fair to Michael Barley to give away his techniques that he makes a living by teaching others. He's a really nice guy and great teacher and you will learn a lot from him if you ever get a chance to take one of his classes. It is well worth the money.

Yes, out of respect for the man and his art.

Vanessa

Lara · #48 2008-03-09, 9:34pm

Question, do ya'll use a ribbon cane that is cased with clear, then case the bead with clear or a cane without a clear casing?

playswithfire104 · #49 2008-03-10, 8:41am

Call me dense, but I'm not sure exactly what kind of cane to use for one of these beads. Could someone nice post a picture of the type of cane used for these pleated beads? If you could put something like a dime in the picture to give it perspective that would be wonderful.

glasshouse · #50 2008-03-10, 10:09am

I use a tight twisty similar to the Kimberly Affleck Seahorse twisty tutorial posted here on LE. That way the pleats are nice & thin.

Kelly

rguttierrez · #51 2008-03-10, 12:58pm

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Originally Posted by Lara

Question, do ya'll use a ribbon cane that is cased with clear, then case the bead with clear or a cane without a clear casing?

The way I understand it you use a cane that has no clear casing. I played around with a few ideas this weekend. My beads were way ugly but I think I am getting the hang of it.

Anne Ricketts · #52 2008-03-10, 1:25pm

I didn't use a cased twisty for this one, I just used a bunch of different colors on top transparents.

Oops forgot the pics!

playswithfire104 · #53 2008-03-10, 1:48pm

No offense Anne but that isn't what I think of when I think of a pleated bead. Your bead is beautiful! But I thought pleated beads looked more, I don't know pleated?

Kinda like they have "space" between the pleats? Does that make any sense?

Anne Ricketts · #54 2008-03-10, 1:50pm

Yep, I know, this one just got stretched out too thin to where the transparent part got swallowed up by the opaque part.

Rachel · #55 2008-03-10, 7:57pm

Yeah, I get that but I haven't taken a class from a teacher ever that has said not to tell the techniques. It seems to be a general thing that if you teach it in a class, the information is out there. If he doesn't want it told, I get that. It is fine with me. If he doesn't want me to know, I don't want to know. I would be happy to take his class if he ever came anywhere close to where I live.

I am not trying to steal anyone's art.

I also can tell when I see a bead by anyone that has taken his class. It is so obvious when someone has had his class. I guess it is okay to use his techniques if you've had his class. It isn't for me to say if that is respectful to him or not. I am certainly not trying to learn to copy anyone or their techniques. I am sre he is a wonderful man and teacher. I just wish I could take his class but I know it will likely never happen.

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Originally Posted by Nanette Marie

They haven't told you because it wouldn't be fair to Michael Barley to give away his techniques that he makes a living by teaching others. He's a really nice guy and great teacher and you will learn a lot from him if you ever get a chance to take one of his classes. It is well worth the money.

Lara · #56 2008-03-10, 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by rguttierrez

The way I understand it you use a cane that has no clear casing. I played around with a few ideas this weekend. My beads were way ugly but I think I am getting the hang of it.

Thanks

Pat · #57 2008-03-11, 6:04am

Rachel....I thought you were not suppose to share a techniqe you learn in a class too. In fact I refused to share Larry's nite sky bead when asked. Then I had a long conversation with Pam Dugger who said once you pay for her class you can share with anyone you want. It is information you paid for and is yours to do what you please. The only thing every teacher has said is to go home and try to do your own thing with the information you've been given. So there ya go. It is confusing. In fact all this stuff about the pleated bead you should have to buy the TondoDama book by these rules, right. LOL

StOrM · #58 2008-03-11, 8:53am

lara - if pleated beads are twisty beads....then what is your idea of a pleated bead?

but i am still unsure on the thickness of the cane.

glasswinder · #59 2008-03-11, 9:47am

ditto on the michael barley class...he is just awesome! you will learn soooo much if you can ever take a class from him. major intensity, too!! he really WANTS you to "get" it.

Mike H · #60 2008-03-11, 2:14pm

I think that the descriptions of how these "Pleated Beads" are made in this thread should be enough for someone to make one. If not, then maybe one should get the book that explains it.
I had not seen one of these Pleated beads before I tried making one last tuesday. I read this thread and thought it would be fun to try.
I showed this in one of last weeks Gallery showcases.
Here's my version , its about 3" long which started from a 1/8" thick twistie: