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2013-06-10, 8:21pm
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Sick of Rubino
I'm sick of making beautiful beads with rubino and having them crack. I love the color, but hate the glass.
Does CiM make anything like it? I really want that lovely fuchsia color, but I just can't trust the rubino if it is encased. It seems like almost every batch I get can't be encased, which makes it practically worthless.
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2013-06-10, 8:26pm
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Aime I have not had that trouble with Rubino but I did with black. It was a bad batch. Maybe your clear or Rubino is bad.
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2013-06-10, 8:50pm
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There is CIM Cranberry Pink. I don't know if it behave better than Rubino; I only just picked some up. Here's Messy's page on it: http://www.creationismessy.com/color.aspx?id=25
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2013-06-10, 8:56pm
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Mary Ann, I have gone through five or six batches of rubino, and all but one gives me this problem! I've tried it with every clear I can: Aether, Zephyr, Diamond Clear, Clarity, Uroboros, and V.S. It just doesn't seem to like being encased!!
Thanks for the link, Alli - hopefully someone who has tried cranberry will post. It looks like a good color...
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2013-06-10, 9:28pm
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Uh Oh....
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I don't know about the new batches of CiM Cranberry Pink but some batches crack badly. I only use mine for dots or as a whole bead. Depending on the batch, when it's layered on white, I think it's not has pink as rubino can be. Guess it depends on the batch of rubino too. I can usually get rubino a nice pink over white but not with cranberry pink.
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2013-06-10, 11:16pm
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Oh, that's disappointing Susan. I wonder if the metals in the glass that make it that pink color are also responsible for it being more prone to causing cracking? I'd really like to find a worry-free version of this!
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2013-06-10, 11:42pm
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You could try Reichenbach 104 series there are some really good pink and red glasses in their range
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2013-06-10, 11:44pm
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the biggest problem is that to make a good pink glass you need gold, tin and lead in the glass, this alters the viscosity and causes the compatibility problems.
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2013-06-10, 11:58pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by castaway
the biggest problem is that to make a good pink glass you need gold, tin and lead in the glass, this alters the viscosity and causes the compatibility problems.
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That's what I was thinking. That fuchsia is so... nice!
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2013-06-11, 6:24am
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Make a base of clear. Encase in Rubino, decorate if desired, encase in the same clear.
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2013-06-11, 7:40am
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Olympic color has beautiful pinks and I never have any trouble with it. It also doesn't metal up like Rubino. My CIM cranberry cracks so I don't use it anymore.
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2013-06-11, 8:34am
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Originally Posted by Elizabeth Beads
Make a base of clear. Encase in Rubino, decorate if desired, encase in the same clear.
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Yeah...that's basically what I've been doing, with a layer of white in there too. Maybe it's the white that's a problem?!?
Cynthia - is the Olympic color 104coe?
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2013-06-11, 9:45am
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Yes Aimee. Here is the link. The Gold Ruby is one of my favs. The Mystic Violet is pretty too and....I might have to try the Garnet. I don't think I have that one.
http://www.glasscolor.com/lampworkin...rent_cane.aspx
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2013-06-11, 10:46am
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Thank you Cynthia. Bernard mentioned the Reichenbach earlier in the thread, but I didn't think of looking for it at Olympic. I used to buy it from Reenie - wish she still had her shop!
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2013-06-11, 11:45am
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I've had issues with CIM cracking, but not Rubino.
Maybe try veiled rubino? Same color, but more clear - I haven't had problems with it.
http://www.frantzartglass.com/index....oducts_id=5072
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2013-06-11, 2:25pm
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To make a fuchsia bead, I have done clear, white, clear, rubino, clear. Seems to have worked, but what a pain!
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2013-06-11, 4:16pm
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Bullseye has the most beautiful and easy to work fuchsia! I haven't encased it cuz it's just so pretty plain but you can use Schott clear which is terrific too! It's one of the reasons I decided to add BE to my glass obsession. If you'd like a couple of rods to try, I'd be happy to send them to you. Just pm me.
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2013-06-11, 4:53pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elizabeth Beads
Make a base of clear. Encase in Rubino, decorate if desired, encase in the same clear.
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Clear...white...rubino...encase....it does help to have that base of clear. I think it's actually the white that is the problem and the harder clear base solves that problem.
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2013-06-11, 5:20pm
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I once made a watermelon bead, not sure if it was rubino or cranberry, but I did clear, white, pink. After annealing, the pink was opaque purple. People told me it was because the pink and white were touching.
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2013-06-11, 5:29pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angie09
Bullseye has the most beautiful and easy to work fuchsia! I haven't encased it cuz it's just so pretty plain but you can use Schott clear which is terrific too! It's one of the reasons I decided to add BE to my glass obsession. If you'd like a couple of rods to try, I'd be happy to send them to you. Just pm me.
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This. The BE fuchsia is awesome.
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2013-06-11, 7:33pm
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Dark rose from Devardi is awfully pretty - as long as you're willing to take the time to preheat the rods!
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2013-06-11, 7:39pm
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SIGH. I know. I have seen the Bullseye fuchsia, and it is gorgeous. But I'm not ready to add another coe to my inventory yet.
I was torching today, messing with the rubino, and I am leaning towards the idea that it is a viscosity issue and the white may be my problem. Since it is very soupy, if I try a different, stiffer opaque (like maybe a pink!) under the rubino it may solve my problem. Only time will tell.
Thanks for all the input - I am still considering the Reichenbach gold ruby - it looks really nice.
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2013-06-11, 11:11pm
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Good idea, try the pink, it has some of the same metals I would think anyways?
I do remember that Kugler made a 104 called Gold Pink, I've never tried it.
I only know of ABR, CR Loo and Hot Glass Color carrying them, but look at their site, they have an extra dark one now too and a fushia I want to try.
http://www.kuglercolors.de/english/default_e.htm
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2013-06-12, 12:05am
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Originally Posted by PolychromeBeads
SIGH. I know. I have seen the Bullseye fuchsia, and it is gorgeous. But I'm not ready to add another coe to my inventory yet.
I was torching today, messing with the rubino, and I am leaning towards the idea that it is a viscosity issue and the white may be my problem. Since it is very soupy, if I try a different, stiffer opaque (like maybe a pink!) under the rubino it may solve my problem. Only time will tell.
Thanks for all the input - I am still considering the Reichenbach gold ruby - it looks really nice.
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hey you, see you are still making beads. I recall you
staying with us at Glass stock many many wines ago?
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2013-06-12, 4:04am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlilly1
I once made a watermelon bead, not sure if it was rubino or cranberry, but I did clear, white, pink. After annealing, the pink was opaque purple. People told me it was because the pink and white were touching.
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I don't think that was the reason. She's putting pink over white anyway. I'd say the darkness of your pink had something to do with reduction.
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2013-06-12, 4:59am
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That one was definitely not reduction.
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2013-06-12, 5:18am
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Quote:
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Good idea, try the pink, it has some of the same metals I would think anyways?
I do remember that Kugler made a 104 called Gold Pink, I've never tried it.
I only know of ABR, CR Loo and Hot Glass Color carrying them, but look at their site, they have an extra dark one now too and a fushia I want to try.
http://www.kuglercolors.de/english/default_e.htm
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The Kugler gold pink is stunning. It doesn't go livery. I've only encased it in small amounts in florals.
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2013-06-12, 7:33am
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That one was definitely not reduction.
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Just call me stumped. Maybe someone else has had that experience.
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2013-06-12, 7:39am
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For the record, if anyone can figure it out, it's a great way to make a purple slightly lighter than Barney.
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2013-06-12, 8:18am
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Melissa, there are certain batches of Rubino that have a tendency to go cloudy and dark. Some people love it, some not so much. Get a new batch and try it again.
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