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Old 2010-05-07, 9:18pm
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Have y'all gotten the GAS email detailing how they are moving the GAS conference from AZ because of the new law? It is pathetic. Here is what I wrote to the GAS board:

"Dear GAS Board,
I am appalled that an organization dedicated to ART would succumb to the obvious puppeteering of our current National administration. You should be ashamed. You should be absolutely mortified to allow our organization to fall into this terrible debacle. All Arizona is doing is trying to enforce an already existing FEDERAL LAW! They are trying to preserve our country. Legal artists would have no problem, legal visitors would have no problem. You are making a decision for all glass artists to submit to the political rhetoric and fear mongering that our current Washington leaders want, trying to drive our country into socialism.

Shame on you.

How can you represent our art if you are not willing to support our constitution? Are we beyond the rule of law? Are we better than our founding fathers?

I am appalled, I am distraught, and I am seriously considering my continued membership.

You are pawns.

Again, Shame On You.

Conscience-stricken I remain,

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I know, I should tell them how I really feel. I will say this, tho, I am NOT going to some half-GASsed conference this year!

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Old 2010-05-08, 8:47am
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I'd love to learn more about these "laws" they have in Tucson, and what is involved. I do not see GAS taking this decision lightly. And I do not subscribe to our government being a puppeteer. There is REAL danger at the boarders!

But let me tell you something, I have relatives that live on BOTH sides of the boarder in Texas, and the DAILY dangers they live are atrocious! If my grandparents were alive today, they would just die of mortification! The climate in the Mexican side of the boarder is a different world I never have seen in my 50+ years of life!

The lawlessness happening is UNBELIEVABLE........ The corruption and calousness of these hoodlums is off of the graph. The price of life is meaningless. I fear for my relatives lives every day. Every day I know that they go to their establishments, that have been in the family for generations, and fear for their very life, for their wives for their children. This is their livelyhood! This is where they were born and raised. Where they have their children and their lovely homes they built and dreams they nurtured since our family nutured these intellegent entrepreneurs!

We have no concept of the real dangers down there......it is what you see on the television in dramatized movies, but the reality of the blood shed is authentic. People have to cower in their homes. They cannot go out at night. They cannot wear jewelry, if they appear to have wealth, they are targets as are their homes.

I tell you about a most surreal moment I experienced there. About three years ago, the last time I attended our family reunion that was traditionlly held at the family's ranch, as we approached (in caravan fashion as we would have over 300 attendees to the event back then), the gates of the ranch, a TRUCK LOAD of militia in FULL armor, including machine guns jumped from their truck and approched us! At first, the mind questioned, "Is this a joke?" But no, it was not! Women, some older, and children, all were searched....... No, we have no concept of the gravity of what is happening down at the boarder. Trust me when I say this. You see the "good guys", but you don't really know if they are "good", or bad! Currently, my cousins have to PAY for "protection" at their businesses! Shit....excuse my English, but this is ass backwards to the lawlessness we had back in the 20s. Corruption is more alive then I ever remember it.
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Old 2010-05-10, 9:57am
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Ofilia,
I live in Texas so I know about the border problems. My concern is that GAS is buying the liberal tripe that it is dangerous for legal folks to be in AZ. I have to show my driver's license to any officer that wants to see it. I don't feel oppressed. I have another license that I also have to show if an officer asks. That is no problem for me. What bothers me is that GAS is going along with the insanity that posits that persons here ILLEGALLY shouldn't be concerned about flaunting our laws. I find it appalling that GAS, who shouldn't be playing politics anyway, IMHO, is falling for this line of bull. That is like saying that we should boycott a state that enforces any other federal law. The problem is that the national government ISN'T enforcing the law, isn't keeping our borders safe, isn't keeping the citizens safe, so AZ has to step in and make a state law to do what the Feds should be doing in the first place.

I think it sad, and disgusting when an organization dedicated to ART stops being that and starts being a political sop instead. I still say, SHAME ON THEM!
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Old 2010-05-10, 10:25am
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The problem of the borders is no reason to throw the Constitution out the window.

I won't go to Arizona.
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Old 2010-05-10, 10:39am
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So what is GAS going to say to people who come in from other states when they are hassled? I live in Maine... I don't carry a purse normally. I don't have my ID on me 24/7. What kind of trouble would I be in if I went to this conference?

Politics? I don't see it as politics to be concerned for people coming to an event they are hosting. Arizona wants to play hardball. No worries. Lots of us will play elsewhere, places that we don't have to worry about feeling like we're the enemy.

I think/hope GAS will reschedule the conference somewhere else. I suspect it will be a state that chooses not to suspect every other person on the street of being illegal.

Just my thoughts- and I'm legally entitled to them. I don't see the offenses that you do in this situation. Frankly, Arizona's attitude offends me and I am a legal!

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Old 2010-05-10, 11:08am
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So, are the police going to question Asians? Africans? I'm betting not. I'm betting it's just anyone Hispanic.

That's government-sponsored racism. I applaud GAS for taking a stand against something that is obviously wrong.
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Old 2010-05-10, 11:11am
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How about Canadians and Irish? There are a lot of illegal people from those countries in this country.
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So what is GAS going to say to people who come in from other states when they are hassled? I live in Maine... I don't carry a purse normally. I don't have my ID on me 24/7. What kind of trouble would I be in if I went to this conference?

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Okay, so let me see if I understand correctly..... basically, Arizona has taken on a Police state where they exercise their right to question any individual to proove their citizenship or Visa status?

I could see how this would be a chronic PITA for ANY foreigner coming from abroad, to attend GAS! Granted, I know that when I travel abroad, I always have to carry my passport, but sure don't care to be hassled for it at every turn.

How did the foreign vendors and buyers who come to the Tucson shows this February manage?? Was there any flack that anyone saw or experienced?
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Old 2010-05-10, 3:23pm
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Uh...the law was just voted on two weeks ago. It doesn't take effect for 90 days after that.
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Old 2010-05-10, 4:28pm
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Uh...the law was just voted on two weeks ago. It doesn't take effect for 90 days after that.
Hi Kevan, when I say "law", I'm referring to "just cause" to request identification. This is something that is done anywhere, but leads to profiling issues...... never a happy ending.
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Old 2010-05-10, 4:41pm
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Hi Kevan, when I say "law", I'm referring to "just cause" to request identification. This is something that is done anywhere, but leads to profiling issues...... never a happy ending.
The law wasn't in effect so there would be no legal way to stop people without cause as there will be when it goes into effect. This law protects the police, not the people.

Police are against this law. One has filed a lawsuit against it. It prevents them from doing their jobs because they count on immigrants to come forward with information about illegal activities. They see it as causing them to spend time arresting people for this instead of arresting real criminals and keeping the people safe.

The law states that anyone can sue the police for NOT enforcing the law. They really do not like that.
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A GAS Conference in AZ, was sure to be a huge draw, much like the gem show, for Hispanic artists who live on both sides of the border. Also for many who may live in California, where plenty of glass shop workers may be here illegally (let's just be honest)


I can understand GAS pulling, as to not be publicly responsible for any attendee who might get in trouble while there, or just harassed.

Whatever you feel about immigrants in our country, i sort of respect GAS for protecting ALL their members. People save all year, and spend a lot of money to attend GAS. The backlash they would have if any attending artists were racially profiled is an understandable reason to pull out in my opinion.
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Old 2010-05-12, 11:34am
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I wish people didn't use the term "illegals".

There is no such thing as an illegal person. Illegal is not a noun. An act can be illegal, a person cannot.
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How about Canadians and Irish? There are a lot of illegal people from those countries in this country.
Well... I have a problem with the Irish! JK... my brother is Irish!

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I wish people didn't use the term "illegals".

There is no such thing as an illegal person. Illegal is not a noun. An act can be illegal, a person cannot.
That is a "cop" mentality! Cops speak very poorly in many of the areas I have visited. It's almost funny.
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I lived in Silver City NM for 5 years and experienced first hand up close and personal what California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas have to deal with. It is a different world. My vehicle was always stopped and searched every time I went to and from Las Cruces.

I went to El Paso and they were fishing bodies out of the river. My dearest friends next door who are Mexicans from Chihuahua Mexico would drive their junkiest car, wear no jewelry and were always scared when they drove over the border to see their family in Mexico. They always told me what to do if they didn't come back!! They were born there for petes sake.

Most of the Mexicans in Silver City are wonderful and legal. But even our "own" mexicans are terrified of the aliens and what they do. LEGAL mexicans are most welcome in our country. It is illegals, the crime committing aliens that we want to protect our borders from.

I have also lived in Arizona and you don't want to mess with Arizona and it's people. They are tough just like the desert creatures that live with them and they will do what they need to do to survive and protect family friends and their state. I am proud of them and support their stand.

They are doing something the government should have done years ago! CLOSE THE BORDERS TO ANYONE EXCEPT THOSE COMING IN THROUGH LEGAL CHANNELS!!!!!!

I was offered a job riding my arabs along the border with border patrol, I refused as it is one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet. They shoot the horses, men, women and children etc.

If you have never lived in this how on earth can you knowledgeably take a stand? You can't!! I am telling you right now you CAN"T!!!! and you shouldn't because you don't have clue what it is really is all about. Wear the shoes, walk in them and then you can make an informed comment. JMHO
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If you have never lived in this how on earth can you knowledgeably take a stand? You can't!! I am telling you right now you CAN"T!!!! and you shouldn't because you don't have clue what it is really is all about. Wear the shoes, walk in them and then you can make an informed comment. JMHO
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Here in the upstate of South Carolina, we are having our own problems with the Mexican gangs. We have families (hispanic) that have been gunned down and murdered. We have the gang violence spill into our community. We have had illegals being victimized by their own. We have had problems with the Mexican prostitues.

Not all the illegals are bad people. Many are families trying to escape and provide a better life for themselves and their children. I really can't blame them but this also comes at a cost! They want the dream life too! Many are hard workers and are willing to take any type of job, outperforming the American workers.

We have had many accidents where there was an illegal driving with no license or insurance. We also have temporary medicaid and welfare programs available to them. Our state has busted businesses that hire them and allowed many to stay here because they have families in the area. This all comes at a cost to the taxpayers!

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IMPLICIT BIAS MAY MAKE EVENHANDED APPLICATION OF NEW IMMIGRATION LAW IMPOSSIBLE, PSYCHOLOGIST SAYS

Reporters/editors/producers Note: The following feature was produced by the American Psychological Association. Feel free to use it in its entirety or in part; we only request that you credit APA as the source. We also have a photograph of the researcher available to reprint.

Arizona recently adopted a new law giving police the authority to inquire about a person’s immigration status during a stop, detention, or arrest. The APA interviewed social psychologist John Dovidio, PhD, of Yale University about the new law. Dr. Dovidio studies issues of social power and social relationships including the influence of explicit and implicit bias.

APA. The new law gives broad powers to police officers yet we know from research that all people including police officers have automatic or implicit bias about some racial or ethnic groups. What is implicit bias?

Dovidio. Implicit biases are beliefs (stereotypes) and feelings (prejudice) that are activated without intent, control, and often conscious awareness. These are habits of mind that develop through cultural as well as personal associations. Whereas most people no longer consciously endorse stereotypes and prejudice, the majority of people still harbor implicit biases.

APA. Will this new law lead to racial profiling within the state?

Dovidio. Stereotyping, prejudice, and biases in how people perceive and react to members of other groups typically occur automatically and with limited conscious control. These automatic processes are even more influential when people feel threatened or are under time pressure – common experiences for police officers – and thus will lead to systematic and racially/ethnically biased profiling.

APA. What are the effects of racial profiling beyond the individual; i.e. are there effects on the whole community?

Dovidio. Social identities are important for everyone, but members of traditionally disadvantaged groups generally identify particularly strongly with their group and are vigilant to being treated unfairly because of their group membership. Racial profiling is precisely the kind of injustice that offends not only the people directly involved but also the community as a whole. Moreover, because these incidents are perceived as group based, they erode trust and good will toward the majority group and to the police, as well.

APA. The Arizona governor has said that police in the state will be trained to properly apply the law. Will police officers in the state be able to overcome their implicit or unconscious bias?

Dovidio. Training of the type that is being proposed cannot consistently mitigate the effects of these implicit, and often unconscious, biases. Training may make people more aware of the potential for biased implementation of the law and help them understand better what they should be doing, but research has shown that training by itself cannot eliminate the systematic forces of implicit bias that operate unintentionally, often without awareness and the ability to control it. Training should help limit blatant abuses, but implicit biases will still play an important role in how the new police powers actually play out on the street.

APA. A second new law in Arizona is also creating controversy; this one has to do with courses that are designed primarily for students to teach them about their cultural heritage. What is the importance of knowing one’s group history and appreciating the cultural heritage of others?

Dovidio. Having a stronger sense of group connection and identity can buffer feelings of depression and distress typically produced by perceptions of discrimination. However, for more positive and productive intergroup relations today, it is important not only to recognize and value one’s heritage but also to know that one’s group is respected by other groups and that there is common connection, identity and interdependence among the different groups in our society. Educating young people about their own heritage as well as the heritage of their classmates is one way to foster that respect and connection.


The American Psychological Association, in Washington, D.C., is the largest scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States and is the world's largest association of psychologists. APA's membership includes more than 152,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students. Through its divisions in 54 subfields of psychology and affiliations with 60 state, territorial and Canadian provincial associations, APA works to advance psychology as a science, as a profession and as a means of promoting human welfare.
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Old 2010-05-25, 7:43pm
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The city of Seattle voted unanimously to boycott AZ last week.
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I can't read this thread or my head may just explode right here at my desk -- but I wanted to say "Yay GAS! Thank you."
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They are doing something the government should have done years ago! CLOSE THE BORDERS TO ANYONE EXCEPT THOSE COMING IN THROUGH LEGAL CHANNELS!!!!!!

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If you have never lived in this how on earth can you knowledgeably take a stand? You can't!! I am telling you right now you CAN"T!!!! and you shouldn't because you don't have clue what it is really is all about. Wear the shoes, walk in them and then you can make an informed comment. JMHO
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It is NOT about closing the borders...it's about racial profiling and bigotry of people, including Hispanic 'legals'. Period. And I can and have taken a stand. Regardless of what you say I can or can't do.
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From what I've learned from the news and media outlets, my impression was that the law in question was enacted because of the FAILURE of the Federal government to address the border issues in any significant way. It looks like it WORKED because FINALLY Obama decided to send additional border enforcements, whereas up to now they have really done nothing. I don't live there but I am a strong believer that we (as a nation) are suffering because undocumented immigrants consume our jobs, our healthcare, and our general infrastructure yet have none of the obligations that documented immigrants and legal citizans fulfill. I am not a bigot NOR am I a racist. But I do believe it was wrong for GAS to make that kind of a change. If, as an individual, one of the B.O.D.'s of an organization like GAS wants to boycott Arizona, go ahead. But don't make that decision on behalf of all the members and supporters. I find it hard to support taking the conference away from all of those who rely on and benefit from the conference, especially since the citizens of Arizona are not ALL proponents of the law that was passed.
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Never said you or anyone else was a bigot OR a racist -- but the law is. Unless you can define what "reasonable suspicion" means, if not racial profiling. And no way do I believe a 'legal' person should have to walk around with 'papers' to prove innocence upon being hassled or risk being thrown in the slammer. It's insane.

Regardless of the reasons it was enacted, or the failures of the federal government, the law is racist and the reasoning, crime and frustrations behind it cannot change that and does not make it ok.

I too feel bad for citizens of Arizona. Lucky for them - they get to vote there. I don't. So, I'll vote with my wallet.
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And from the GAS letter (emphasis mine):

On Wednesday of this week, the Glass Art Society Board of Directors, charged with the fiduciary responsibility of the organization, decided to cancel the 2011 GAS conference in Tucson, scheduled to be held, April 7-9, 2011.

The decision was not taken lightly by anyone. The Board clearly appreciates and understands the tremendous amount of work that has been put in to the 2011 conference by Tucson and GAS. Ultimately, a decision had to be made and had to be made quickly, based on the organization’s finances and the need to avoid a large deficit for the fiscal year had to take precedent over any other sentiments the Board members have.

The Glass Art Society is a 501 (c) 3 organization. As a not-for-profit, we are feeling the affects of the waning economy as well. GAS is not boycotting the state of Arizona but made the decision to cancel the conference because the economics did not support going forward in this political climate. With a Latin American focus for this conference, the controversial issues in the state are particularly poignant. Whether glass artists south of the US border would come; whether GAS would be liable for things that could happen in Arizona for the Latino members; whether GAS could weather the negative economic impact to the organization that this issue could cause; whether in this economic climate the local committee could raise the money needed for the conference; were all issues that the Board needed to consider.
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Kim, Thanks for the clarification from your letter. It looks like the GAS board has the best interests of the organization given the economic climate and other factors.
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My question is WHAT PART OF "ILLEGAL" don't you understand? If you want to support aliens comming into the USA and getting more benefits than our present citizens can get; if you want to pay more taxes to support these aliens through social entitlements; if you want our schools dumbed down to favor aliens who pay no school taxes; if you want our hospitals emergency rooms crowded and backed up endlessly while you pay their costs; if you want the criminal aliens roaming the streets and rapeing your friends or your daughters then change the law to open up the boarders. But don't let alien LAW BREAKERS continue to flaunt the law and take, take, take, from our rightful citizens with no contribution to the system.

Talk to the ranchers who have property on the boarder who are threatened and intimidated to the point they cannot safely leave their homes; talk to the ones who have miles of trash abandoned along the 'cayote' trails through their property; look at the pics on the net of these garbage dumps created by aliens crossing the boarder; miles of abandoned trash, open holes of shit, dirty diapers just thrown on the side of the trail; talk to the ones who have had their property valdalized and destroyed time and time again by these aliens; I think you'll fine a different picture than that painted by our 'on-the-take' politicians and sobbing media.

Much as I feel sorry for their circumstances and understand their desire, by most of them, to make a better life for themselves and their kids they are "ILLEGAL" aliens. Why should they have more advantages over people who come in through legal means and even more advantages over our own legal citizens? Huh, why??

How can you condemn and criticise the people of AZ who are trying to preserve their homes and safety with a law that our government already has on the books but refuses to enforce. Surveys show that in Seattle and Tacoma well over half of the people support the AZ law. I have a brother and many friends in law enforcement and their 'unofficial' estimate is that well over a third of the "ILLEGAL" aliens are criminals in their own countries and come here for better criminal opportunities. Might as well empty our prisons and sentence our rapists, murderers, thieves and drug dealer to community service.

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Cheng - this is not a political discussion about "ILLEGALS" - never was. It was about GAS's business decisions in response to a law they felt would negatively impact their conference.

The law as it's written promotes racial profiling and therefore doesn't only impact "ILLEGAL aliens" and I haven't seen anyone here giving "ILLEGAL aliens" sympathy - because the discussion was not about "ILLEGAL aliens." I don't think anyone (here) said that nothing should be done about all of the horrible things you've pointed out...but the law, as it's written, is not the right way (in my opinion). A problem - no matter how awful - does not make any old response good, appropriate or effective.
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The tone of the comments in this thread pulled my trigger on a subject I have very strong feeling and opinions about. For my rant in this thread I appoligize. I do, however, very strongly disagree with all your other comments.
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You know that mural on the school that pictured children from the school, children of all colors? You know,the one the school board told the artists (who were bombarded with racial slurs from driver's by while they were painting it) to change the children's skin colors to lighten them?

Yes, there are bigots and racists in AZ.
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