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Old 2015-07-30, 3:40pm
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Default Bad first attempt at using fine silver wire.

Badly need your expertise again. I made these this morning using COE 104, blue sky dark and green copper pastel with 28g fine silver wire. I didn't have good control of the wire but I understood the basics. I put them in the back of the flame to insure that the silver would adhere to the glass before placing the bead in the kiln and I burned them. Is that right? Those are burns and not reactions to the silver? Also, I have some sharp edges that didn't melt down. How can I do better next time, please?

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Old 2015-07-30, 3:54pm
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What you are seeing is the reaction of the silver next to the glass. I use 30 gauge fine silver wire, and you're using 28 - not too much difference. I usually melt the silver in a bit more than that. At least until it balls up and I'm sure it's adhered well. Others do it the way you have and are pleased.
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Old 2015-07-30, 4:03pm
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But the holes are all dark. Would they have gotten even darker had I melted the wire in longer? Is there a way to remove the reaction?
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Old 2015-07-30, 4:06pm
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The darker color around the holes is from the glass you used. Those 2 colors contain copper & will do that in a reduction flame.
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Old 2015-07-30, 4:12pm
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Old 2015-07-30, 4:26pm
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Etch-All will remove the dark soot. I use a cotton swab and dip it into the Etch-All, then rub the dark spots then rinse the bead immediately after so it doesn't etch. That is, if you want the glass to stay shiny.
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Old 2015-07-30, 4:34pm
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Where can I get it, please, mewkittie?
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Old 2015-07-30, 4:59pm
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Where can I get it, please, mewkittie?
Frantz carries it here: https://frantzartglass.com/index.php...d08b3031089620

Might be able to get it at local craft and hobby stores too. I use the liquid kind, though the cream kind will work too.
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Old 2015-07-30, 5:48pm
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Be careful of your sink surface when you rinse off this stuff because it can take the shine off any thing because it is an acid.

Start your water running, run the bead under the stream and leave the water run for a few seconds afterward to ensure it gets and stays diluted as it runs down the drain.

It might be better to rinse in a one gallon pail of water and then pour that down the drain.


You are dealing with two of the classic problems of chemical reactions in the glass bead world.
The blue and green glasses have a lot of copper in them to give them those colors and these will change colors on you just because of the way you have the fuel and oxygen balanced.
Then you are adding silver on top of this and silver in very small quantities in some glasses will 'fume' on to the surface of other glass (like ivory) and leave a yellowish tinge.

Between the two your are walking a tight rope that even some of the really experienced lampworkers find a pain in the butt.
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Old 2015-07-30, 7:52pm
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Even easier, soak the turquoise beads in Coca Cola over night to remove the discoloration.
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Great, thank you so much, everyone!
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Etching solution can be pretty caustic if you get it on your counters or sink (ask me how I know...). So be sure you have total control of your area and wear gloves OR be careful not to touch it. It's yucky stuff, but they still sell it at AC Moore, Michaels, Ben Franklin and Joann Fabric. I used it for years but finally caved in and bought a rock tumbler for etching (which I love love love!).
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Old 2015-07-31, 8:21am
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Good advice, thanks!!
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Old 2015-07-31, 8:28am
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I think they look great. Not a bad first attempt at all!
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I think they look great. Not a bad first attempt at all!
Exactly what I was thinking.

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I wish my first attempt looked as good.

Alexis mentions using a tumbler to etch. I only use etching solution for beads with silver on the surface because the silver dots do not always survive the tumbler. Otherwise I use the tumbler and love the results.

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I think they look wonderful!
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Old 2015-08-03, 12:12am
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you can use toilet bowl cleaner too to get rid of the reduction of these glasses. Not sure what kind, if that matters, I always etch so I don't worry about it. But search it since there are posts on it.

When I use silver wire I always marver the silver in, it can pop off so easily most times. Actually IMO the 'balls' are too big, I've had beads crack around that depending on the glass.
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how about this
baking soda will neutralize acid etch
that would have been helpful information

gallon of water is that a joke?

then go on to explain a chemical reaction ....
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I use toilet bowl cleaner to get the smutz off the turquoise colors....
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Old 2015-08-03, 5:36pm
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The balls are not good. Smaller would have been better.
Thanks for the great advice/info, everyone!
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