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Old 2014-09-21, 2:11pm
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Default Another Newbie Question - how Do You Get Beads Off???

I had the crappy release, was told to lose that, so I used a powder kiln release I got from my fusing stuff. I mixed it the way I use it for my kiln glass. With both types, the beads are stuck. I have smashed about 30 beads off, because I only have 10 mandrels, and I'm about to give up.

How much/consistency of the release should be on the mandrel? And how much do you heat it up before putting the glass on? This is fun, i love the process, but at this point, it's pretty expensive since I got one bead out of about 35 attempts.

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Old 2014-09-21, 3:08pm
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your coating may be too thin (if it works at all). Try thicker, something like a pancake batter (but everyone does that differently too- sort of medium thin) and make sure that it's dry. It might be better to wait if neither has worked so far, but something to consider if you want to try again. Also, I would suggest small test beads to limit the waste. HTH
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Old 2014-09-21, 3:33pm
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your coating may be too thin (if it works at all). Try thicker, something like a pancake batter (but everyone does that differently too- sort of medium thin) and make sure that it's dry. It might be better to wait if neither has worked so far, but something to consider if you want to try again. Also, I would suggest small test beads to limit the waste. HTH
OK, I will try thicker. Thank you!
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Old 2014-09-21, 4:40pm
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Instead of kiln wash why don't you try Fusion, Foster Fire or another good commercial bead release?
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Old 2014-09-21, 4:52pm
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I use a "chuck." Soak my mandrels for about 30 seconds...slide into the chuck...tighten, and viola! Easy peasy. Oh, and by the way. Love Fusion!
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Old 2014-09-21, 5:24pm
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Try Foster Fire. You can easily control the thickness of the solution on the mandrel. Tried the stuff from Hobby Lobby first, what a disaster!! Great personal results the FF stuff. Now if I can just figure out how to make the glass do what I want.................. yep! definitely a newbie!
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Old 2014-09-21, 6:41pm
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Be sure to mix the kiln wash powder before you add water. The components have different densities and will separate. Your best bet is bead release, I like to use Foster Fire.

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Old 2014-09-22, 4:46am
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Thank you - just ordered Foster Fire. Now hoping it gets here quickly!!
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Old 2014-09-23, 5:09am
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I use a "chuck." Soak my mandrels for about 30 seconds...slide into the chuck...tighten, and viola! Easy peasy. Oh, and by the way. Love Fusion!
What is a chuck? Where can I get one?
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Old 2014-09-24, 3:05am
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A chuck is normally found on a drill. It's the part of the drill that holds the drill "bit." It's small and durable. You can find them at any hardware store. I got mine at Home Depot a few years ago for around $20 (maybe a little bit more). It is priceless to me....I highly recommend it. I heard of using it right here on LE!

Here's a link: notice the $24 one on the 2nd row! http://www.homedepot.com/s/drill+chuck?NCNI-5

One useful tip: dry the mandrel after soaking in water so the chuck doesn't rust. I made that mistake. WD40 was an easy fix, but better to simply wipe the mandrel before sliding into chuck
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Old 2014-09-24, 4:40am
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If you want to try some foster fire she has small sample bottles on her etsy that are the perfect size. They actually go a long way.
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Old 2014-09-24, 6:52am
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Thank you, all, I ordered some Foster Fire. Now I am impatiently waiting until it comes, because I don't want to waste any more glass.

And thank you, Jaci. I appreciate your kindness,
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Old 2014-10-03, 7:43am
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The Foster Fire came, and it is AWESOME!! Not one stuck bead!! Thank you for your help,
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Yeah..

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I'm confused on how the chuck works....but I soak and use a bench vise my DH has to hold the mandrel while I pull...stubborn ones I use a rivet tool with the bead protected from the tool with a towel
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Old 2014-10-04, 5:50pm
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Scrape all visible bead release off the mandrel. Soak the mandrel/bead in water for a few seconds. Remove mandrel from water and wipe it dry. Slide the mandrel into the chuck and tighten it (leaving the bead about 1 inch from the chuck end or closer). Hold onto the chuck and twist the bead off...being careful not to bend your mandrel. Easy peasy!!!
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Old 2014-10-05, 6:31am
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I'm confused on how the chuck works....but I soak and use a bench vise my DH has to hold the mandrel while I pull...stubborn ones I use a rivet tool with the bead protected from the tool with a towel
You need better bead release. What are you using?
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Old 2014-10-05, 9:00am
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The bench vise is doing the same thing that a chuck does--hold the mandrel while you pull (or push) the bead off.
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Quick FYI: cheap white vinegar will dissolve bead release over time. The downside is that it will cause your mandrels to corrode, so you don't want to do it very often.
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