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Old 2009-10-25, 12:45pm
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Default CIM Gunmetal - finish rubbing off?

I just worked the first time with CIM Gunmetal.

Hate how shocky it is - the rods are just exploding in the flame. I decided to anneal the rods now and that worked better.

Love love love the very even matte metallic effect. However, when I was cleaning the beads, I realised that the metallic finish wears off and leaves just black behind. I rubbed intentionally, and yes - you can simply rub it off with your finger! *shock*

Any ideas? Will it make a difference if I anneal the beads longer?
Was it a mistake to anneal the rods?
Do I always have to encase it? Will the effect even stay with encasing?
Is it one of the colors that you can't soak too long in water? I was soaking the mandrels approx. 30 minutes in soapy water.

Argh, I'm bummed. It was a very nice set.

Thanks!
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Old 2009-10-25, 12:47pm
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Well that's just craptastic. I just bought a pound of it and haven't tried it yet.
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Old 2009-10-25, 12:52pm
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Charlene - it's really a great glass (apart from the shocky-ness).
I'm sure I made something wrong - surely they wouldn't release a color where you can simply with your thumb rub of the finish.
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Old 2009-10-25, 1:54pm
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Hmmm, I have some focals made out of this, I will have to try and rub it off and see if my finish rubs off. that would suck!

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Old 2009-10-25, 2:13pm
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I've just tried rubbing the leaves and focals I've made out of mine and it isn't rubbing off. Have you tried emailing Kathy? She's usually very responsive.
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Old 2009-10-25, 3:18pm
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It was only rubbing off fresh out of the soaking water.
The beads that are dry now, I can't rub it off any more. Weird!
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Old 2009-10-25, 3:21pm
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that IS weird.
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Old 2009-10-25, 3:24pm
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Thanks for posting - I thought it was just me. I thought I hadn't 'blushed' it enough to get the finish on some of the beads I made. Others were just fine. My rods weren't shocky, though.

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Old 2009-10-25, 7:39pm
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My rods aren't shocky either and the finish isn't rubbing off. But the first rod I tried, I got a shiny silver finish by striking (not reducing). Haven't been able to get that again, just the matte metallic. Ah well, it is called Gunmetal.
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Old 2009-10-25, 7:43pm
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Yeap, seems I shouldn't have put it in soapy water.
Now where they all dry, it doesn't rub off any more.
New try tomorrow This time without soaking.
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Old 2009-10-25, 11:32pm
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So that means you can't get any soapy water on a bracelet made with Gunmetal beads when you wash your hands?
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Old 2009-10-26, 12:13am
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Old 2009-10-26, 12:21am
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Baaawahhahha ...

Guess it depends how long you wash your hands I wouldn't wear it while participating on Survivor Samoa though (have you seen how wrinkled their hands and feet were after 6 days of torrential rainfall?).

I will take a few of the beads and soak them tomorrow again in soapy water - first for a minute, then a bit more, and more ... until I can recreate (or not). I can't use them in any way any more, as the finish is partly gone.
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Old 2009-10-26, 2:41am
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I took some of my Gunmetal beads and washed them with soap and water... and yup.... omg.... the finish rubs off. I didn't have to soak them, just get them wet and soapy for a few seconds. When I rubbed hard with my fingers the finish disappeared.

and I've sold so many gunmetal beads to customers already!
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Old 2009-10-26, 2:53am
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ow that sucks that the finish is wearing off, weird though that it only happends when the bead is wet
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Old 2009-10-26, 3:07am
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That's no good news.
Thanks for testing and confirming my own results.
I don't think i will make another bead with it and for sure i can't sell it to a customer. If soap does that to the finish, just think of perfume, moisturizer or hairspray.
What a pity - i really love the soft glowing finish.
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Old 2009-10-26, 3:24am
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That's very bad news indeed . Maybe it's a certain batch problem? I recently ordered 1/2 lb of it, when I get it, I will test it as well...
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Old 2009-10-26, 7:04am
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You do need to mention this to Kathy at CIM. She wants to hear the bad as well as the good about new colors.
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Old 2009-10-26, 7:25am
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Wow. So strange! Yes do email Kathy!!
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Old 2009-10-26, 9:21am
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Ok, I have emailed Kathy and given her the link to this thread.
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I wonder if the durability of this finish has anything to do with how hot the bead were when you struck them? I think I have a rod of Gunmetal here somewhere, if I get a chance I'll try a couple of different things.
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This glass is sitting in my stash waiting for me to try, but does the finish stay true if clear encased?
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Lets find out! Someone here was also trying museum wax to keep on a DSP finish -- someone should try that, too.
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Old 2009-10-26, 2:59pm
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This glass is sitting in my stash waiting for me to try, but does the finish stay true if clear encased?
It turned plain black when I encased it.
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It turned plain black when I encased it.
Well, shoot. Will you let us know what Kathy has to say? Maybe she has some ideas.
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I'm not surprised that it turns black when encasing - DSP for example or Metallic Black can't retain the finish either. And when buying, I didn't expect the glass to keep the finish when encasing.

However - I did expect the glass to keep the finish without encasing. That it simply goes away with soapy water is not right in my opinion.
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I did expect the glass to keep the finish without encasing. That it simply goes away with soapy water is not right in my opinion.
Not right is an understatement. It's ridiculous that the finish comes off with soapy water. What exactly is in the finish that rubs off? Is it something that could possibly be toxic to the countless customers who have bought jewelry and are wearing beads made with this glass? I'm glad that I haven't used mine yet considering Product Liability lawsuits and all.
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Lets find out! Someone here was also trying museum wax to keep on a DSP finish -- someone should try that, too.
that was me. it works, you just have to ensure you get even the tiny dots well protected with the wax. i soaked the DSP beads in soapy water for about 6weeks and the finish remained.

i've switched to Triton or Aurae when i want a metallic finish - they seem to be more durable (so far)
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Okay... I took some of my beads I've made with gunmetal and washed it in soapy water. I rubbed it, even used a brass brush and the finish is not coming off.

So maybe it's a bad batch? I got mine when it was first released.
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ooh, boy—I was scared when I first read this last night because I had just finished making a set with Gunmetal! eek! This morning I cleaned them in just water like I do normally and didn't notice any of the finish coming off. Then I tried rubbing it with bar soap and scrubbed hard over it with a damp towel, and it didn't come off. But when I tried soaking a bead for about 15 min. in the toilet cleaner I use to get rid of the grey smutz on copper green, it definitely disappeared on me.

Just thought I'd pass on my experience to see if it could help with this problem? Judith—what kind of soap were you using?

I'd definitely write Kathy and see what she has to say and I'm sure she'd want to know so she can work on fixing it if this is a problem for other people too. *Ü*
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