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Old 2024-01-14, 12:12pm
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My neighbor is an elderly full blooded Cherokee, she's just one of the most awesome people I've ever known and I care a great deal for her. She is totally into tobacco laying, sage burning and a lot of authentic native rituals and I'm trying to learn everything I can from her.
About a year or so ago she and I were talking about crystals, and she was so excited about this new 'Andara' Crystal she was getting ready to order for something like 200 bucks. I know she's on a fixed income, and for her, this was a serious investment. She showed me a picture of it, roughly the size of a silver dollar and I was horrified. It was nothing but a piece of Oxblood Glass Cullet.
I told her this and she didn't believe me, telling me it was an authentic, apparently 'certified', Andara Crystal from Mt. Shasta in Califronia. Some relic from Atlantis and a living being with powerful vibes etc. I told her I had several chunks of that very same glass in my studio, and when I produced several sizable chunks of the exact same thing, she was visibly disturbed and thanked me for saving her the money. But she was hurt, and I felt like a shite about it until I looked them up.
People are selling raw and polished glass cullets for thousands and thousands of dollars, calling them 'Andara Crystals' and people are buying them left and right, leaving rave reviews about how their lives were changed and how the energy of these 'crystals' was overwhelming etc. Some of the stories invented around these things rival H. P. Lovecraft and Eastern Mythologies, but it really pisses me off.
Anyways, if you know someone who is about to spend a small fortune on one of these crystals, I feel like, as glass artists, we should at least let them know what cullet glass is before they spend their hard earned money on this stuff. Wow...
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Old 2024-01-15, 1:45pm
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I was talking to the wife about this yesterday, and got to laughing about an idea I had...
We should screw with these scam artists, maybe come up with something that only a glass artist with a torch and a kiln would be able to do, like "Everybody knows that REAL Andara Crystals have __________!"... Something we could do with a funky marver or bead shapers and put these bozos out of business or at least make them work for that 10 grand.
Alas, I guess we'd be just as bad for doing that though, but it got a chuckle or two.
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Old 2024-01-16, 11:28am
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wow never heard of this scam! I'm glad you helped.
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Old 2024-01-24, 12:35pm
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I've been poking around on the internet, trying to find the origins of this scam, and trying to read through endless piles of ridiculous mythologies these people have hacked up and all I can say is just... wow. Trying to follow this 'mythology' is particularly difficult because it is coming from various scam artists who all tend to add their own little addendums and twists on the story and apparently it is also very dynamic. As they inevitably get called out for this obvious scam, their story line changes to adapt itself to it's own chicanery.
When the gem folks started speaking out and telling people it was just slag and cullet glass, these 'Andara Crystals' shifted from being actual crystals containing everything from monoatomic elements, frozen black holes, to what they call prima matra, to this...
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"In the mid-1990’s I originally channeled the information on the Andara crystals (receiving that name for it). Part of my information on this crystal-glass has been circulated widely by others through the years.

The Andara Crystals found on Lady Nellie’s land in California Tehuti (Thoth) speaks of are actually in another dimension of reality. The properties of these crystals however, are present in some man-made glass that has been found on the current sacred land site. It is a highly unusual set of circumstances that brought this about, but when the man-made glass was buried as scrap on the land some time ago, the energy of the original crystals ‘bled through’ the dimensions of time-space and anchored into the man-made glass, which we are now calling Andara Crystal-Glass, versus Andara Crystal, which denotes the original other-dimensional parent matrix."
-http://www.spiritmythos.org/TM/divine-fire/andara.htm
In other words, NOW, they are just man made chunks of glass that were found on a site where some transdimensional crystals were formed, which no longer exist on this plane, but are metaphysically connected to worthless chunks of cullet glass. You guys should read some of this crap, it really is incredible.

Check this Etsy Listing out... For the disturbingly high price of $37,521.32 you can get two chunks of glass. The description reads like the fever dreams of Crowley and Lovecraft's love child...
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1543135394/
A few of the claims made for these chunks of Cullet GLass...
*'These two crystals were formed millions of years ago...'
*'...the crystals have migrated.'
*'both found in a mine in Northern California'
*'area is also called “Lady Nellie’s Land” by some because Lady Nellie, an Indian
Medicine woman of the Choctaw/Chanta tribe,' (nevermind that the Choctaw weren't in California)
*'Monoatomic crystals consist of silicon oxide and the so-called Prima Matra, which is also called Prime matter or etherium' 'Prima Matra consists of 70-90 monoatomic minerals'
*'has very high energetic properties awarded, such as support for completely healthy being, cell rejuvenation and Expansion of consciousness.'
*'The crystals vibrate in a so-called 5-dimensional vibration field'
*'vibration is so strong that it begins to transform everything around it'
*'ancient crystals with an immense high Prima Matra concentration, they are full of Etherium, accordingly it is recommended deal with them carefully and consciously.'
*'The value of these crystals is infinite..'
*'found in a sacred place with a temple atmosphere specially designed for expanding consciousness.'
*'crystals have been involved in over 500 healing sessions and consciousness expansion sessions and were thereby additionally activated and charged'
*'They radiate such strong energy that they affect their entire surroundings within a large radius harmonize and positively influence'
*'They support the ego to be completely transformed and consciously transformed into a divine being'
*'These crystals are powerful power objects, divine consciousnesses, as well as infinite,
hyperintelligent fields of consciousness that work individually for the benefit of all.'
*'If 10 different people enter a room containing the crystals, it can
be that they have a different effect on everyone, they are tailor-made, everyone gets exactly what they want'
*'they carry the knowledge and wisdom of male and female expression of the absolute, the love within itself'
*'They give to the viewer Awareness of exactly what is desired in the here and now'
*'cause immense expansion of consciousness, so that the cells and the DNA of those with them works, can be structured according to the Divine Order.'
*'They carry deep cosmic knowledge and wisdom and teach conscious dealings'
*'The crystals harmonize and increase the vibration of the room and the house
Vibration frequency, so that a balanced, holy temple atmosphere is created.'
*'a positive impact on sleep, on conversations, meditation, yoga, art, on everything they do'
*'They not only reflect light, but absorb it, combining the absorbed light with theirs
natural vibration and then radiate it into yours in a modified and potentiated vibration
environment.'
'$170.55 Shipping'
Etsy with their fees, stands to make a cool 3,700 bucks off that listing if it sells, and it will. So likely as not, they aren't going to put a stop to this scam either.

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Good lord!!! Well, as P T Barnum said, there's one born every minute.
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Wow! That is awful!! So glad you were able to dissuade your friend! And thanks for the education!
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Wow! That is awful!! So glad you were able to dissuade your friend! And thanks for the education!
Yeah please help get the word out about this scam.

I've seen these cullets and slag glass sell for literally tens of thousands of dollars, and every single time it's nothing more than glass cullet or slag.

Yeah, I get it... Buyer beware and a fool and his money etc., but there's people out there that have no clue what glass cullet is and they are getting screwed big time. My neighbor, who I care dearly about, almost paid two hundred bucks for a piece of Oxblood cullet no bigger than the palm of my hand and she sure as hell didn't deserve to get ripped off because she believes in Crystals. I've never put much stock in it, but some people do and they at least deserve actual crystals IMHO.
Etsy won't remove the listings, they are making about 10% off of it which hurts everybody in the glass business.
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