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2011-09-25, 6:55pm
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I am going to to a little messing around with batch #2 and batch #3. Give me a couple of days and I will get back to everyone that was willing to help out. I am by no means looking to start selling this stuff. I am looking to make it better for myself and well, you know me, I am always sharing and trading my crap. *laughs* but really, I am tired of spending so much money on the biggest throw away supply part of our art. And, once I gt the recipe nailed down, I am so posting it everywhere!
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2011-09-25, 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by Eileen
I don't clean mine in the sink, I use a jar and pour it out in the garden. I don't know for sure, but don't like the idea of the bead release in the pipes and drain.
Anyone more knowledgeable that can give me some scoop?
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Bead release will clog your drain - you should definitely not clean them in your sink and let the water run down the drain.
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2011-09-25, 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by squid
Bead release will clog your drain - you should definitely not clean them in your sink and let the water run down the drain.
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Uh oh. Well, luckily I haven't been at this all that long. I really had no idea. I will be changing my ways.
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2011-09-25, 8:18pm
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Originally Posted by squid
Bead release will clog your drain - you should definitely not clean them in your sink and let the water run down the drain.
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Thank you for the confirmation, & I hope Nikki comes back & sees this. I'd hate for her to mess up her plumbing.
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2011-09-25, 8:23pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by squid
Bead release will clog your drain - you should definitely not clean them in your sink and let the water run down the drain.
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This is true.
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Originally Posted by BrownGirl
Uh oh. Well, luckily I haven't been at this all that long. I really had no idea. I will be changing my ways.
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But nothing to panic about if you've only done a few. I've been making beads for 6 years and always clean at the sink and let it run down the drain and haven't clogged my sink yet, but I don't make a ton of beads, nor dod i do it every day, either.
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2011-09-25, 8:26pm
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FYI, if your release is too runny, you just let it sit uncapped for a while and the water will rise to the top and you can pour of the excess. Or let it sit uncapped for a while longer and it will evaporate.
If it's too thick, just add a bit more water. Distilled is best, but I've never had an issue with my tap water.
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2011-09-26, 12:14am
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Let me and I'll buy it off ya! 
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I think it is either 1lb or 2lb. I will check and see if I can find it in my studio. I haven't unpacked everything since the flood.
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2011-09-26, 12:16am
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Just read this. Yikes. Okay... will be cleaning the beads in a bucket and then disposing outside. Thanks for letting me know. I hope I havent damaged my pipes! Hubby wouldnt be happy. 
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Thank you for the confirmation, & I hope Nikki comes back & sees this. I'd hate for her to mess up her plumbing.
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2011-09-26, 12:21am
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Will it do damage to the pipes or just clog? Whatever the answer, I'll not be cleaning in the sink anymore!
This is one of those "live and learn" moments for me....
Nikki
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Originally Posted by squid
Bead release will clog your drain - you should
definitely not clean them in your sink and let the water run down the drain.
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2011-09-26, 2:15am
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I think it clogs, not damages the pipes Nikki. . .
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2011-09-26, 2:19am
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It builds up in the U joint like grease can except you can put stuff down the sink that will dissolve the grease. Bead release is like dirt or sediment and doesn't dissolve.  Angelique
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2011-09-26, 2:21am
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The postman just delivered three big bottle of BoM.
While I'm thrilled I'm also thinking it would be good to try the dry "dilute it yourself" stuff.
Good for you Monica! I like the sound of Number 3. (Why do I not have a hash key on my computer?)
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2011-09-26, 7:49am
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Just replace the sink p-trap with something like this...
http://www.sinktrap.net/?gclid=CLSyi...FWwZQgodUEGgbg
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2011-09-27, 12:23am
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Oops! Hehe.... I guess Im going to have to break the bad news to the hubby then. Our sink has been draining VERY slow lately.... and I *do* make beads for the most part, everyday for the past 5 years. :\
It needed to be cleaned out anyway.
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It builds up in the U joint like grease can except you can put stuff down the sink that will dissolve the grease. Bead release is like dirt or sediment and doesn't dissolve. Angelique |
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2011-09-27, 12:27am
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Wow... this is awesome! Thanks David! 
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2011-09-27, 4:55am
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You can also get sink traps at pottery supply stores.
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2011-09-27, 10:30am
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Your next test needs to be to dip the mandrels and let them sit for a week or 2 before using them.
Sounds like I would love to test batch #3 
Batch #1, add a smidge of graphite for ease of removal and see if it affects holding power?
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2011-09-27, 10:40am
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My highly precise scientific bead release recipe is 1/2 kiln wash and 1/2 alumina hydrate, both from Seattle Pottery Supply, measured by eyeball approximation into a 1 gallon pickle jar and accompanied by a fairly random measure of diatomaceous earth. Sometimes I leave the DE out. I put the lid on, shake the mixture, let it settle, and then scoop it into my eternally-replenishing bead release jar with however much water seems about right.
I've been doing this for about eight years and it works beautifully.
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2011-09-27, 12:00pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenne
Your next test needs to be to dip the mandrels and let them sit for a week or 2 before using them.
Sounds like I would love to test batch #3
Batch #1, add a smidge of graphite for ease of removal and see if it affects holding power? |
A week or two? Does that usually weaken it? I might have to check that out.
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2011-09-27, 1:11pm
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I clean my beads in a bucket in the sink and then dump the water out elsewhere.
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2011-09-27, 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by Kalera
My highly precise scientific bead release recipe is 1/2 kiln wash and 1/2 alumina hydrate, both from Seattle Pottery Supply, measured by eyeball approximation into a 1 gallon pickle jar and accompanied by a fairly random measure of diatomaceous earth. Sometimes I leave the DE out. I put the lid on, shake the mixture, let it settle, and then scoop it into my eternally-replenishing bead release jar with however much water seems about right.
I've been doing this for about eight years and it works beautifully.
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Kalera,
Do you use this with your boro too? Thanks!
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2011-09-27, 2:08pm
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Kalera,
Do you use this with your boro too? Thanks!
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Yep! I use it for everything, no problems.
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2011-09-27, 2:28pm
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Kalera..Thanks!
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2011-09-27, 3:22pm
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Yeah, it clogs - and it does take a lot to clog. It's just heavy and settles into the trap of drains and eventually clogs. Unless you're clogged, you're fine. No need to worry.
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2011-09-27, 3:23pm
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I have mandrels dipped over a year ago that are still as good as new. lol Fusion is bad ass.
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2011-09-27, 3:35pm
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Squid, you must not live in a humid climate. I dip my mandrels and within a few days you can see rust spots on the bead release, seeping up from the rusting metal underneath the release. Totally ruins the release, making it very difficult to remove beads. I use both BOM and Universal.
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2011-09-27, 4:01pm
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BOM is one of the worst releases I've ever used. My go-to is Sludge (all of them). I've had mandrels that were dipped for over 3 years that still worked great and no problems with beads sticking. (If you do get a stuck bead, use a rivet tool to remove it). You can't get much more humid than Florida, lol.
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2011-09-27, 5:30pm
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What is kiln wash and is this something I should be using in my new kiln?
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2011-09-27, 5:36pm
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Kiln wash keeps glass from sticking to the brick in a brick kiln. I've never used it, since I don't fuse. I just put fiber blanket in my brick kiln when I had it. My every day annealer is a Chili Pepper which is fiber blanket. You don't want to use kiln wash on that.
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2011-09-27, 5:45pm
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so marking for later.
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