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Cool new torch lighting tool!!
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Butane lighters on your torch bench is like having a bomb ready to go off when you least expect it...
Only "safe" torch lighters are a "sparker" like welders use or a pizo electric ( electric spark) lighter... Neither contain flammable fuel that can explode and cause yoiu harm.
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2007-01-11, 4:12pm
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I would be especially wary since it has a plastic body. A hot piece of glass landing on that and it might go BOOM.
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What's wrong with a wooden kitchen match?
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2007-01-11, 4:14pm
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I'd put it up high where you can reach it, but you can't get hot glass on it.
As Dale mentions, they are bombs if hit by hot glass. The ad says metal case, but I'd question that -- I'd bet there is plastic on it somewhere, and you KNOW that's exactly where the piece of flying hot glass will land when you least expect it.
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2007-01-11, 4:16pm
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What's wrong with a wooden kitchen match?
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Where do you keep box of matches when working at torch?
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2007-01-11, 4:19pm
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Kitchen matches (or even paper matches) should be kept away from the immediate area of the workstation.
The only safe lighters that can be kept in the immediate area of the workstation are spark lighters or piezo lighters.
Anything else has the potential to either explode or ignite (ever seen a box full of wooden matches ignite all at the same time?).
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"sturdy metal encased"
NOT plastic! "sturdy metal encased" (!!!) That is my hand in the pics! There is no plastic to be seen anywhere on the exterior of the lighter. But thank~you your warnings are appreciated.
I don't like the sparkers because I panic as the gas hisses out while I squeeze and squeeze the welders sparker, burnt matches end up all over my bench making a mess. Plus once I lite the torch all my attention is on that and I momentarily forget to blow the match out. ouch!
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2007-01-11, 4:33pm
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What is a piezo lighter?
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2007-01-11, 4:53pm
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A piezo lighter uses a quartz crystal, sliced very thin. When the crystal is flexed, it creates an electric charge which is routed between two pieces of metal, creating a spark, which ignites the propane or natural gas.
There are several types of these available, there are also battery operated sparkers - I've seen them for the Mini-hand torch used by some jewelers. They operate on a 9 volt battery.
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2007-01-11, 6:23pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale M.
Butane lighters on your torch bench is like having a bomb ready to go off when you least expect it...
Only "safe" torch lighters are a "sparker" like welders use or a pizo electric ( electric spark) lighter... Neither contain flammable fuel that can explode and cause yoiu harm.
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yay i have another anti-butane lighter friend! butane is bad news on a workbench.
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yay i have another anti-butane lighter friend! butane is bad news on a workbench.
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You have more than one! I think most people would become comfortable with a striker if they would persist in using it and becoming more proficient with it.
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Most of us know butane lighters are bad. I think it is good to continue to make reminders. This is such a little thing and so likely to cause a problem newbies should see it.
I on the other hand use one. I doubt I'll change. It is that or don't torch when my arthritis is bothering me.
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2007-01-12, 7:35am
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I'd be less worried about gas hissing out for 5 seconds then a butane lighter. Here in most factories you get fired right away if you are caught lighting a cutting torch with a lighter other than a spark lighter.
I've seen real life pictures of what happenes when they explode and they will litteraly take a leg or arm off!
Unless you feel like playing with you own life then I would just use a spark lighter.
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2007-01-12, 7:46am
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Ah, but the point she is trying to make is that when her arthritis flares up, she does not have the hand strength to use a spark lighter. I have arthritis in my hand as well, and there are times when it just plain HURTS to squeeze that sucker.
On days like that I break out the matches, or use the battery powered sparker.
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2007-01-12, 8:17am
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I'd be less worried about gas hissing out for 5 seconds then a butane lighter. Here in most factories you get fired right away if you are caught lighting a cutting torch with a lighter other than a spark lighter.
I've seen real life pictures of what happenes when they explode and they will litteraly take a leg or arm off!
Unless you feel like playing with you own life then I would just use a spark lighter.
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i've heard alot of scientific glass shops will do the same thing if you're caught with a lighter.
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Ah, but the point she is trying to make is that when her arthritis flares up, she does not have the hand strength to use a spark lighter. I have arthritis in my hand as well, and there are times when it just plain HURTS to squeeze that sucker.
On days like that I break out the matches, or use the battery powered sparker.
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definitely. matches are better than butane.
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If you can't use a striker due to arthritis, then use something that's doesn't have the potential to explode in your hand. I may be a newbie, but thanks to people like Mike I understand all the implications of needing to be SAFE when doing this. Here's a link to the battery operated spark lighter:
http://www.glasscraftinc.com/product...m?part_id=6971
and here's another one that isn't glass-specific but would work and is a lot cheaper:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...6-20/ref=nosim
Money shouldn't be an object - we spend so much on our torches, oxy and propane, glass, and (hopefully) ventilation that these are a small price to pay to increase the probability that you won't have an accident.
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My battery igniter is very similar to the one in the Glasscraft link and I love it on "those" days......
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I do use matches--but after I light my torch I put the matches in a metal Altoids box, which then goes in the drawer. Color me anal; I've never been able to use a striker successfully, but I won't have a butane lighter anywhere near where hot glass could pop.
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What color is.......nevermind. Wrong forum
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I can tell you from personal experience, that torches and butane lighters do NOT mix. I work with fairly large pieces of silver and large flames on some of my jewelry pieces. I kept a lighter on the counter above my soldering bench and one day when I was soldering, the flame was being diverted by the silver sheet in just the right way to direct the heat to the lighter. All I remember was a super quick fireball and then I had no eyebrows and the front of my hair was singed off. Luckily no serious injuries, but not something I want to take the chance with again.
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Money shouldn't be an object - we spend so much on our torches, oxy and propane, glass, and (hopefully) ventilation that these are a small price to pay to increase the probability that you won't have an accident.
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This is what my husband would say...me too...
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I have used a striker from day one. I was quite uncomfortable with it at first. I don't even think twice about it now. It might be easier for me because I use natural gas so my gas pressure is lower.
I often take classes at Glasscraft and I use a striker there also. Again, the first few times I use it I am uncomfortable but once I'm used to adjusting for the higher pressure I have no problem.
Better to be uncomfortable than a burn victim
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If anyone is having trouble using a striker, I suggest you shop around for a different model of one. I have two and one of them works great and the other makes me crazy.
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2007-01-12, 5:05pm
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If anyone is having trouble using a striker, I suggest you shop around for a different model of one. I have two and one of them works great and the other makes me crazy.
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I totally agree! The strikers at my art school are the absolute WORST! I went to the local hardware store right after class and got a brand new striker, different brand, and MAN OH MAN does that thing spark with the slightest flick of the wrist!
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One thing that can cause strikers to be hard to use is that the flint is worn down to a nub and the "file" is hitting the aluminum flint housing.
Flints usually come in packs of 5 or 10 and it's a good idea to check your flint from time to time and replace them when its almost gone.
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anyone who doesn't have a striker they're comfortable with...PM me. shawn t sent me lots of extras she had and they're golden. i want people to be safe.
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Ali!
I'd love one and I'd promise only to use my cool lighter for my Bong!!
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Wait!! Send me the bong and I'll promise to only light my torch with one of Ali's strikers. Much better!
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This sounds suspiciously like a trick _ I'm not going to fall for that one "again" LOL!!
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