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2009-01-28, 5:40pm
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CIM Hades & Tuxedo
What is the different between those 2?
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2009-01-28, 9:19pm
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I know the Hades is more intense than Moretti/Vetrofond, and I think the Tuxedo is just a regular black. At least that's the impression I have of Tuxedo (I haven't tried it). Maybe someone can say something different?
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2009-01-28, 9:36pm
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It's all about the color.
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I just got my shipment in today. I'll try to give it a try soon and let you know. I barely had time to open the box today.
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2009-01-28, 11:31pm
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I need more boro stuff
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Thanks Sheila and Kay.
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2009-01-29, 12:56am
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From what I read, Tuxedo is a black that is made with a gray base instead of purple, so it stays black. Hades is like intense black, it will crawl and it does cool things with silver and loves the silver glass.
I have some CIM Charcoal which is so dark a gray that it looks black, it's got a gray base. It's just not exactly black.
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2009-01-29, 1:21am
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Gimme that silver glass!
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I'm wondering as well  .
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2009-01-29, 9:44am
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If you are looking for a real not bleedy black take a look at my Precision Black Jettum.
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2009-01-29, 11:43am
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It's all about the color.
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I've got to run some errands with my son today, but i do have testing on my schedule for tonight. I have the 3 CiM blacks pulled and on my desk.
One of the first things I do to test a dense color is mix it with an equal amount of white to see what I get - which is how I found out that Vetrofond's black gives you slate blue. Then I'll test in extended heating to gauge the spread. I'll let you all know the results.
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2009-01-29, 12:52pm
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You are soo cool, Kay  I can't wait for the result.
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2009-01-29, 1:07pm
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Isnt' hades the one that really helps silver glasses do their thing? It seems to love silver glasses.
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2009-01-29, 5:12pm
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Just finished - they're sitting in the vermiculite cooling off but I thought I would give you my immediate impressions while they're still fresh in my mind.
Looking at the ends of the rods of Hades, Tuxedo, and Charcoal, all 3 look to be black.
When pulled out into a stinger, Charcoal stands apart as being more of a gray than a black, but you would kind of expect that because of the name.
Hades, when I mixed it with an equal amount of white was much stiffer than the other 2 and did not really want to become blended. I mixed it 3 times and each time as it cooled, I could see streaks of white in it. I think I had to mix 4 times before I got results I was satisfied with.
Hades seemed shinier and more reflective while hot. It also held it heat better - meaning that when I thought it had cooled enough to hold it's shape in the vermiculite, it wasn't quite.
So I guess you could say that there is kind of a continuum of blacks with Hades being the most dense, Charcoal the least, and Tuxedo in between.
When mixed down with enough white, the results are not purple like Effetre, or Slate Blue like Vetrofond. It's a Charcoal Gray.
I'll post pix later.
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2009-01-29, 6:13pm
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Thank you, Kay I really appreciated.
I guess I don't need to buy tuxedo. Plenty Hades to play with
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2009-01-29, 9:58pm
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Tuxedo is a lot cheaper but doesn't seem to get the same reactions with silver that I get with Hades. I think it is a great black for dots, surface decorations, really anything requiring a nice dense black. It is good in twisties too, it seems to maintain it's colour well.
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2009-01-29, 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by Carolyn M
Tuxedo is a lot cheaper but doesn't seem to get the same reactions with silver that I get with Hades. I think it is a great black for dots, surface decorations, really anything requiring a nice dense black. It is good in twisties too, it seems to maintain it's colour well.
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Is that mean I need to buy it since cheaper than Hades? 
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2009-01-30, 8:25am
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Originally Posted by gubnavnania
Is that mean I need to buy it since cheaper than Hades?
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If you want a really good black that seems to maintain it's colour even when laid pretty thinly over white, then yes!
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2009-01-30, 9:29am
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Anyone tried Tuxedo to see if it spreads just like Hades (or moretti intense black)?
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2009-01-30, 12:55pm
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Yes. I'm having a down day today, but as soon as I anneal them (will be a day or so), I'll post pix here.
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2009-01-30, 11:43pm
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In my most humble opinion...Hades is BLACK!!! To me it's as black as Intense Black that costs a small fortune. It doesn't bleed, it does not let light through so it is a dense, opaque black. Tuxedo is the equivalent of Effetre/Vetrofond black...kind of purple-y blue/violet. Pull a stinger with regular black and it looks dark purple right? Pretty much the same with Tuxedo. And Charcoal...is like a very dark transparent gray. I wouldn't even call it black.
It all depends on your application. I can't live without Hades...I could live without Tuxedo and Charcoal but....I chose not to... 
AND....if you're into a nice reduction/oil slick look, use Hades in a reduction flame. You'll get a beautiful rainbow effect. SOOOOooo you can't live without Hades either...
Sue
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