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Boro on a Betta with NG & 2 OxyCons - Question...
Is anyone here using this combination? I would love to hear about how it works for you, and how large the pieces are that you create.
It's been too damn cold here to get out to the garage to play. So I'm contemplating moving the studio to the basement. I would rather not mess around with piping propane thru the wall. I'm wondering if the Betta actually gets hot enough to make medium beads and off-mandrel pieces in boro.
If this needs to move to the Torches Room, that's fine... I just wanted the boro peeps opinions specifically, as I'm sure it will be fine with soft glass.
Thanks in advance!!!
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2007-02-07, 8:04am
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I can't say anything about NG, but it rocks with propane!
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2007-02-07, 8:10am
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Is there enough pressure to run a boro torch?
From what I understand household pressure is only like 1/3 psi which is not enough...I don't have experience with it though.
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2007-02-07, 8:24am
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Great to know, Jo, Thanks!
The Betta is supposed to be designed for use with household NG pressure. That's why I'm investigating it...
I have a Bobcat and a Cheetah that I can move downstairs if I run the propane line in... Just thought it might be interesting to check out the NG torch option.
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2007-02-07, 8:39am
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Great to know, Jo, Thanks!
The Betta is supposed to be designed for use with household NG pressure. That's why I'm investigating it...
I have a Bobcat and a Cheetah that I can move downstairs if I run the propane line in... Just thought it might be interesting to check out the NG torch option.
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I think you should get the Betta and sell me your Cheetah...but, to be honest, it is out of pure selfishness
Hope you are doing well.
Kim
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2007-02-07, 8:45am
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LOL! Sorry Kim... not ready to part with the GTT's just yet! I have alternate plans in the works for the near future, and I'm just looking for a quick fix for the basement this winter...
Nice try, tho! =}
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2007-02-07, 11:44am
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Hi diane. I am on natural gas (with no booster) and a 10 lpm oxy con (20 psi) and the betta rocks! check out my website to see the off mandrel pieces I do with that set up. I actually scaled down to the betta from a midrange a few months ago because I wanted more of a driving flame. The betta is great on natural gas. no worries!
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2007-02-07, 11:50am
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Di- It will work great! If'n you decide on one, let me know... I know a guy who sells them.
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2007-02-07, 11:59am
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Wonderful!!! Thanks for the input Paula & Brent!
Brent, I wanted to chat with you on the M-20's, too! I'll PM ya on the rest...
Thanks again!
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2007-02-07, 10:54pm
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How do you think a betta would be with natural gas and 1 oxycon (5 lpm) ??
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2007-02-07, 11:26pm
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I use a betta with one smallish oxycon, NG and no gas booster and it's great! I wouldn't say boro "melts like butter on my setup" - probably need a bigger oxycon for that - but it's more than useable with both boro and soft glass for my purposes.
Teresa
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2007-02-07, 11:33pm
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Cool - thanks teresa.
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2007-02-09, 8:50am
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Diane, you would have no problems working with a Betta and Boro with your set up.
Laura, as Teresa said, you would be able to work boro with 1 oxy con. I would compare the Betta/NG/1 Oxy Con combination to working boro on a Minor/Propane/Bottle Oxy combination.
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2007-02-09, 9:04am
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I run my minor on 2 5lpm concentrators with no major difference between tanked oxy until I really crank open the oxy. Yes I've tried both, and tanked oxy is a little bit better, but the hassles are not worth the trade-off IMO.
My understanding is that a betta is... well, 'betta' than a minor so you should be in good shape.
edit: he beat me to it!
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2007-02-09, 9:57am
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Thanks Kristian and Chris!!!
I appreciate your input!
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2007-02-09, 6:45pm
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Diane, you would have no problems working with a Betta and Boro with your set up.
Laura, as Teresa said, you would be able to work boro with 1 oxy con. I would compare the Betta/NG/1 Oxy Con combination to working boro on a Minor/Propane/Bottle Oxy combination.
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Cool. Thanks Kristian. Right now I have a minor with propane and 5 lpm oxycon. I would really like to hook up a torch to household NG. So essentially its going to be hotter than what I have, I would love that. I would like to make pendants (nothing big) eventually.
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2007-02-10, 6:33am
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I use a Betta with 1 Oxycon and NG. It works great for beads and I get enough heat to get good results. For off mandrel peices I can do them but with tricky colors like the AP family, more heat would be better as It's hard to keep a bigger piece consistantly hot.
It's a hot little torch and I love mine.
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2007-02-10, 7:12am
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The Betta is a low pressure torch, but there's still no substitute for VOLUME. It can use all the oxygen 2 5 LPM machines put out. If you like it on one, you'll love it on two.
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2007-02-10, 7:39am
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smiley could it use 2 10 lpm (20psi) machines? should I save my pennies or would that be overkill?
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2007-02-10, 8:55am
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That would be over kill. it can only use so much volume before the flame distorts. Those units will run a Cuda almost as well as tanked. When you go to a concentrator, you don't have quite the purity of tanked. It's a minimal, but noticeable difference.
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2007-02-10, 10:55am
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So size wise what should I be able to make with a betta and 1 oxycon V.S. betta and 2 oxycons ( both 5 plm ). I would love to try some pendants....how big could I expect them to be before its like using a minor with 1 oxycon ( slow and taking forevah ). LOL.
Sorry to be a pain. I just like the idea of not having any propane any longer but want to make some decent sized stuff.
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