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2012-02-22, 9:01pm
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Bluebird XL, Glasshive Regular Guy, or ??
I love my AF3P kiln, but I need to get something a little bigger.....
What do you think about the Bluebird XL or the Glasshive Regular Guy? I have spent days trying to figure out the pros and cons of each one.
I'm wondering if there are gaps around the doors on the BB..... I am also wondering if I would have to lay the beads on the floor of the kiln in the BB. The gap under the doors looks huge.... does it lose heat?
What about the GH.... does the ledge on the outside of the doors get in the way? Will I have to put my beads on the floor of the kiln? I love propping them up in my current kiln since I can't stand that fluffy stuff on the floor of the kiln.
Do you have any other suggestions for a kiln?
Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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2012-02-22, 9:12pm
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I have a Glasshive kiln and love it.
I've also used the Bluebird and I definitely do not like it as well as the Glasshive.
My biggest issue with the Bluebird was the door. The metal rack thingies that stick out are not only sharp as hell, but your mandrels sit on them in a way that props the door open quite a bit. I guess you could bend the metal things down, but they definitely got in the way.
On the Glasshive there's a gap at the very bottom of the door, between the door and the shelf. That gap allows your mandrels to lay flat while the ends are sticking out and do not prop the door open. The reason the door on the Bluebird stays open is because there's no gap like the one on the Glasshive kiln. The Glashive doors close completely with mandrel ends sticking out and to block that little bit of a gap I took a piece of fiber blanket, wrapped it in foil and stick it in that space. I can take a picture of it if you want me to
I keep a little kiln rack inside my kiln and my beads go on the rack at first and then I scoot them over to the kiln floor after the rack fills up. It works just fine (for me) to do it that way, but even with beads propped up on a rack, the doors still close just fine.
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2012-02-22, 9:38pm
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I use the Bluebird and don't often make use of the outside rack. I have three rod holders I lined up inside the kiln and I put the beads on those, and close the doors all the way. I do use it when I'm warming up things like incredibly shocky glass, or jellyfish tentacle cane, or something like that, but then the things aren't in there for very long.
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2012-02-22, 10:27pm
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I have the Glasshive Wide Guy and wouldn't trade it for anything. Their service and customer support is amazing, and I have different racks on each side so I can put just about anything in there with the doors shut. It's pretty hard to beat.
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2012-02-22, 10:30pm
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I have the GH regular guy and I use a piece of hardware cloth in the back to put my mandrels on... When they start getting filled up, I move everything over and stack the beads on top of each other. I can probably put about 80+ mandrels in there, depending on how big the beads are.
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2012-02-22, 11:27pm
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In addition to building a great kiln, Glass Hive have fantastic customer service. I'm a button pushing moron and Pam has been great with getting me back on track. She's patient and clear as she cracks jokes and gets you back to business.
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2012-02-23, 6:31am
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Glass hive, all the way!
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2012-02-23, 6:44am
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ONE WORD..GLASSHIVE!! Their customer service CANNOT be beaten!
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2012-02-23, 6:50am
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I got a glasshive in December......absolutely love it. The only thing I wished the glasshive had that my paragon SC2 had is a skip segment feature.....but I would still have to recommend the Glass Hive above any other kiln.
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2012-02-23, 7:06am
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I've got a GH Wide Guy Tall. Great kiln, highly recommended.
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2012-02-23, 7:14am
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I really like my Glass Hive Regular Guy, though I did remove the outside ledge. I work with long mandrels, and the ledge interfered with the ends when I would have to start a second row of beads on the kiln rack.
As for the gap, I've placed a strip of really thin fiber blanket at the front of the kiln floor. Mandrels rest on it nicely.
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2012-02-23, 7:33am
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In defense of the Paragon Bluebird XL, which I have and love, I unscrewed the metal rack (a definite design flaw), flipped it over and screwed it back on. Now it doesn't interfere with my mandrels. I also bolted the two doors together to make it easier to move beads down as they cool on the bead rack. I like the kiln because it is big and I sometimes make a lot of beads.
I have heard only good things about Glass Hive kilns, just haven't ever used one but in my dream studio there will be two kilns at least and I'm pretty sure Glass Hive will be one.
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2012-02-23, 9:20pm
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Thank you for your responses. I am going to need to read up on the controller on the GH kilns ... I frequently use the skip segment feature on my kiln as I set the garage time for 6 hours and then use the skip feature if I finish up before the 6 hours is up and I want to get the annealing done. I am also wondering if I can add time to the controller if I need to. thank you for your thoughts!!
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2012-02-23, 11:50pm
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The GH kilns use a Fuji controller. You select a set point for it to hold at while making your beads and then start the annealing program whenever you want. There's no need for a skip segment feature for earlier than usual annealing. The controller is confusing at first, but GH will program it for you and once you've run the program a couple of times, it's very easy.
A big advantage of the GH over the BB, besides the customer service, is that it's a brick kiln. It's going to ramp up faster, cool down more slowly and hold the heat in better. Also, I love the shelf on the front of the kiln. I use mostly 9 inch mandrels and I need to leave enough sticking out to be have a cool end for moving the mandrels. The rack makes it possible to have the mandrels sticking out a ways without them falling out.
The only things I don't love about my GH kiln are the size of the gap at the bottom of the door and that there's no way to prop the doors open. I use a rack on one side and then move beads to the other side and it's a little bit cumbersome, because I can't hold both doors open and hold the mandrel at the same time. I end up holding open the door on the side with the rack, moving the bead to the space between the two doors, closing that door, opening the other and sliding the bead over.
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2012-02-24, 7:42am
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Bluebird also makes a brick model - that is the XL. I went with the Bluebird so that I would not have to learn a new controller. I can program the Orton myself to do pretty much anything I want.
I bent the metal racks just a bit so that the mandrels were at more of an angle and the doors were not open so much. But I am thinking about putting a fiber edge to the doors to seal it off better.
I am sure I would love the Glass Hive kilns too, but I just can't get past the Fuji controller. It makes my head hurt.
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2012-02-24, 8:17am
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Originally Posted by funky gems
.. I need to get something a little bigger.....Glasshive Regular Guy?
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For the lampworkers (like me) with shallow pockets, GH has an open-ended 'lay away' so you can send then $$ as you are able, then whtn it is paid up they will make and ship your kiln...
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2012-02-24, 8:17am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by artsyuno
The GH kilns use a Fuji controller. You select a set point for it to hold at while making your beads and then start the annealing program whenever you want. There's no need for a skip segment feature for earlier than usual annealing. The controller is confusing at first, but GH will program it for you and once you've run the program a couple of times, it's very easy.
A big advantage of the GH over the BB, besides the customer service, is that it's a brick kiln. It's going to ramp up faster, cool down more slowly and hold the heat in better. Also, I love the shelf on the front of the kiln. I use mostly 9 inch mandrels and I need to leave enough sticking out to be have a cool end for moving the mandrels. The rack makes it possible to have the mandrels sticking out a ways without them falling out.
The only things I don't love about my GH kiln are the size of the gap at the bottom of the door and that there's no way to prop the doors open. I use a rack on one side and then move beads to the other side and it's a little bit cumbersome, because I can't hold both doors open and hold the mandrel at the same time. I end up holding open the door on the side with the rack, moving the bead to the space between the two doors, closing that door, opening the other and sliding the bead over.
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so if you set it to hold for 8 hours while you are making beads and don't end up making beads for all of the 8 hours.......how do you start your annealing cycle when you are ready if there is no skip segment?
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2012-02-24, 8:24am
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You don't set it for a hold time when you start. You just set the hold temp (and it'll use whatever temp you already had it set at, so all you really need to do is flip the power switch unless you want to change the hold temp (in which case you arrow up or down after turning the kiln on). It holds until you start the annealing program (which would have the initial soak time figured in).
I didn't realize the bluebird came in a brick version. That's good to know.
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2012-02-24, 9:38pm
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I have to say that I have only had my glass hive kiln for a little over a month and haven't really used it that much. Thank you Felicia for telling me how to use my kiln.
Now that I know how to use it, I would definitely recommend a glass hive kiln. I was really bummed that I didn't have a skip segment feature, but the way the fuji controller is on the glass hive kiln, you don't need a skip segment. The kiln automatically ramps up to temp and holds it there when you turn it on. Once you are done making your beads you run your program to hold and ramp down according to the program.
LOVE IT!!!!!!......Thanks again Felicia.
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2012-02-25, 5:48am
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One more hearty recommendation for the Glasshive. I have the regular guy, and I love everything about it. It's the one piece of equipment I will probably never upgrade, because there's just no need.
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2012-02-25, 6:07am
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I've had my Glass Hive short guy kiln for two yrs now and am upgrading to the Regular Guy. It's a solidly made, easy to use kiln, and I may sound like a broken record, but their customer service is wonderful.
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2012-02-25, 1:08pm
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Quote:
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In defense of the Paragon Bluebird XL, which I have and love, I unscrewed the metal rack (a definite design flaw), flipped it over and screwed it back on. Now it doesn't interfere with my mandrels. I also bolted the two doors together to make it easier to move beads down as they cool on the bead rack. I like the kiln because it is big and I sometimes make a lot of beads.
I have heard only good things about Glass Hive kilns, just haven't ever used one but in my dream studio there will be two kilns at least and I'm pretty sure Glass Hive will be one.
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Word for word what you said, Elizabeth!!! I have the same Bluebird and love it, and have done the same thing with the outside racks. Inside, I have kiln racks against the back wall, so I can do 50-60 beads in a session and they all fit nicely inside the kiln.
My next kiln will be a Glass Hive because of what I've heard of the outstanding customer service. But I do have a question - why can you not do a skip sequence on their kilns? I use that feature FREQUENTLY, so that might be a problem for me...
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2012-02-25, 6:26pm
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you don't need the skip segment. when you switch the kiln on it automatically starts to ramp up to 925 (although you can change this to whatever you want) and it will hold that temp until you tell it to run the program.
I didn't know this until Felicia said something.
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2012-02-25, 6:38pm
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I have a Glasshive reguler... BUT I would say go Glasshive Wide!!! I have run my Glasshive side by side with a paragon Blubird XL... and I just have to say the Glasshive kicks BUTT!!!! The Paragon has far more heat loss, the paint smells bad, and the interrior size is very similar but the Paragon is massive huge on the outside in comparison. Also the controllers... Glasshive is WAYYYYYYY more user friendly.. AND Mike and Pam CANT be beat for customer service!!!!!!!
GLASSHIVE!!!!! Just do it!!!
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2012-02-25, 7:56pm
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Glasshive Regular Guy all the way! I love mine.
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2012-02-25, 8:09pm
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GLASSHIVE!!!!! Just do it!!!
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LOL.... Think I'm going to get the wide guy...
Thank you for for your suggestions and words of wisdom...
Smiles,
Wendy
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2012-02-26, 3:30pm
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This is awesome info - now I know for sure my second kiln will be a Glass Hive!
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2012-02-26, 7:50pm
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You will never regret going with the Glass Hive. Pam and Mike can not be beat on customer service.
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2012-03-10, 5:50am
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Glass Hive all the way! They have excellent customer service! My Glass Hive broke and I called them. They were on a tour across the country and took all the parts on the road with them. They simply packaged my part and put it in the mail to with instructions when they got to their next desitnation. I was up and running in no time.
They also back their kilns with a 3 year warranty! Can't beat that one!
And they have a payment plan last I heard. You just pick the kiln you want and start paying what you can when you can. When it is paid for they will build it for you. How's that for the service!
And you can do fusing and PMC in it too. I haven't tried it due to lack of time to make my lampwork beads but it is good to know.
I put about a 1/2 inch strip of fiber blanket along the front inside of my kiln behind the door. I use it to keep the beads up off the floor and to keep the heat in. I tried the stacking thing and had a few beads stick together. Maybe because some were wrapped in silver. It's been so long ago I don't remember. I also like using the 12 inch mandrels with them. It lets me quickly put the mandrels in without having to use a pair of pliers. I've also used 14 and 16 inch mandrels I cut myself. I like those too but the ends sticking out get in the way sometimes.
Go with the WIDE GUY first. You'd be surprised at how quick you can fill it up when you get in the mode. You can also make a few more payments and get the double door if you do the fusing and pmc thing. It may be easier to stack them in the kiln. I don't know, but that is just my thought on it.
Wide guy, I've got my eye on you!
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2012-03-10, 7:59am
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I have just one word to say: Glasshive!
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