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Burned Dichro
This may sound like a stupid question, but I'm good at stupid questions. Have you ever applied dichro and burned it or whatever you call it before you encase with clear? I made something for a friend of mine a while back using dichro and she said she loved the white looking stuff. I told her that was not supposed to be that way, but she wants me to make more just like that. Is there any way to duplicate this effect consistently or is it pretty much a hit or miss type of thing? I hope this makes sense.
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2009-10-12, 11:10am
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Just give it to me, I'm a pro at burning dichro. Maybe part of the reason I don't like the sparkle glittery stuff.
Each time I have ever been gifted it, won it in a gift, I give it away, cause I know it is just wasted on me.
Yes I have seen the right way to apply it many many many time, I have done it correctly many times, still I can burn it. The shit just don't like it.
Kind of like having a fear of dogs, dichro growls at me when I walk into a room.
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2009-10-12, 12:32pm
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If you ever get a chance to see Milion's CD on dichro I suggest you do! I was taking away on how you can actually put dicho into a "correct" flame without burning it ... ever since watching his video I haven't burned the dichro but I sure can burn the edges like a mofo still!  GL!
Here's a direct link to Focus on "Flamework Flameworking with Dichroic Glass" - http://www.artcoinc.com/townsend-dvd.php
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2009-10-12, 1:45pm
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Just give it to me, I'm a pro at burning dichro.
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me, too.
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2009-10-12, 2:01pm
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Some dichro just does that. I bought a bag of dichro, and there was one color in the bag, that was a pinky green. It turned into ash inside of the bead. This happened gradually. It was fine when I applied it, but after about 40 min of working on the bead, the dichro had all burned out, and what I would call ash was left. I was NOT happy. I brought the dichro back and traded it. This 104 dichro had a rough surface, and was on the thin side. Now, I do use unfused dichro sheet, so I don't know if that is what you are using. It has happened a few other times too with other batches of dichro that looked the same. Had I known sooner, I would have given it to you 
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2009-10-12, 7:21pm
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I'm not sure you understand. She WANTS the burned out, ashy look in the glass.
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2009-10-12, 7:58pm
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If you need some to burn up let me know - I have a couple lbs that had an accident and suicided off my work table. None of the pieces are larger then 2x2 none are smaller then half inch. On thin Boro sheet pinks, greens, blue, a little yellow
It just pisses me off everytime I look at it
It was not trev's - it has been while so I don't remember who's coating it was
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2009-10-13, 1:27am
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if ya wanna burn out your dichro this is probably the stuff for you http://cgi.ebay.com/DICHROIC-HOT-GLA...item20acc1d6f5 i'm pretty sure that dichro will burn out and turn white for ya
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2009-10-13, 2:30am
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Lol, lots of us are pro's at getting that white pattern, right? I think the key is to work fast and hot... 
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2009-10-13, 5:53am
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Thanks guys. TA, I PM'd you.
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2009-10-13, 6:06am
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Work it low towards the torch head and don't encase completely with clear.
I think that's the key to burning it LOL!
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2009-10-13, 8:11am
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Cheaper dichroic burns easier. Also, using a flame that isn't oxidizing will do it. Work it hot with a neutral flame and it will burn out no problem.
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2009-10-13, 10:06am
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OK, Thanks.
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2009-10-14, 2:38pm
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And to think that I gave the dichro I burned a burial at sea! I could have sent it to you!
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2009-10-14, 7:04pm
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Yeah, I bought some of that crap and ended up returning it for a refund. I am pretty careful with Dichro and I had a hell of a time with that stuff.
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2009-10-14, 7:17pm
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i think that stuff was stage lighting or something.
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2009-10-15, 5:42am
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i think that stuff was stage lighting or something.
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It was. The problem with it was that it had a coating over the dichroic coating which was supposed to keep it from scratching or something. Supposedly you could burn off the coating, but I never had any luck doing that.
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2009-10-30, 5:09am
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I bought some and every time I try to use it, the glass shatters. I don't believe they sent me COE 33. Just e-mailed them to return it.
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2009-10-30, 9:21am
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I received the following response to my request for refund. Does this sound like I got the right stuff? This should be compatible with most any boro, shouldn't it? Has anyone else used this? I only tried it twice and both times the thing I was working on crumbled even before I put it in the kiln. I didn't even bother to put any in the kiln. I was afraid I would end up with bits and pieces of glass in my kiln. If anyone knows of a way I can use it I will keep it, but as it is, I don't think so. It's very thin too, maybe 1/16 inch.
"i WILL GIVE YOU A REFUND NO PROBLEM. tHE DICHROIC GLASS IS 33 COE MADE AS BOROFLOAT BY SCHOTT, A COUPLE OF THOUSAND CUSTOMERS HAVE USED IT IN FLAMEWORKING AND ALL ARE HAPPY. JUST MAIL IT BACK AND I WILL REFUND YOUR MONEY."
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2009-10-31, 1:53am
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As far as burning out dichro intentionally:
I have found that if i back dichro with a opaque then cut the sides off with shears and flame polish said sides they will become white burnt out speckles that transition into normal dichro effects, if you want to have an entirely ashen dichro strip I would try hitting it with a neutral flame hitting the coated side (rather than the backing rod) while applying your backing rod, build up a gather on the backing rod then hit the dichro you are about to cover with the flame as you swab it across, may take some experimenting but when I first started trying out dichro this is how i was mistakenly doing it and came up with similar results to what I beleive you are looking for.
Schott is boro for sure, but with a scrap bag there is always the possiblity of getting softglass, though rare. You have to be really careful when heating really thin stuff like that until you get it to working temp (after backing it or encasing or w/e you end up doing with it). I beleive this is because the material is so thin that the heat doesn't stay in the piece very long and thus creates stress risers in the sheet, maybe a soft flame (reducing, cooler) and working it farther out would help? I dont know for sure, I haven't worked with anything that thin in the form of a sheet, generally if i back my dichro and for some reason dont work it into my piece or pull it out into a stringer or whatever i am going to do with it right a way, it cracks every time, but I usually forget to garage it.
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2009-10-31, 6:50pm
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I received the following response to my request for refund. Does this sound like I got the right stuff? This should be compatible with most any boro, shouldn't it? Has anyone else used this? I only tried it twice and both times the thing I was working on crumbled even before I put it in the kiln. I didn't even bother to put any in the kiln. I was afraid I would end up with bits and pieces of glass in my kiln. If anyone knows of a way I can use it I will keep it, but as it is, I don't think so. It's very thin too, maybe 1/16 inch.
"i WILL GIVE YOU A REFUND NO PROBLEM. tHE DICHROIC GLASS IS 33 COE MADE AS BOROFLOAT BY SCHOTT, A COUPLE OF THOUSAND CUSTOMERS HAVE USED IT IN FLAMEWORKING AND ALL ARE HAPPY. JUST MAIL IT BACK AND I WILL REFUND YOUR MONEY."
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Bring a piece by when you get a chance and let me try it.
If you still have it...
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2009-10-31, 8:13pm
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I'm gonna send it back Monday, but will keep out a tiny piece for you to play with. When will you be back home from your trip? I guess I could wait until Tuesday or Wednesday if you will be back and can check it by then.
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2009-11-01, 6:23am
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I bought some and every time I try to use it, the glass shatters
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That is not cool at all. I may have some around here that is super burn out stuff if i run into it i'll let ya have it.
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2009-11-01, 6:46am
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2009-11-02, 6:29am
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I'm gonna send it back Monday, but will keep out a tiny piece for you to play with. When will you be back home from your trip? I guess I could wait until Tuesday or Wednesday if you will be back and can check it by then.
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2009-11-04, 1:49pm
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,hey i found about 42 grams of the stuff that i have that burns. Its patterned, kinda looks like a a broken record probably the only reason i kept it. Let me know if ya want it.
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2009-11-04, 5:14pm
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How much do you want for it. That's about 1 1/2 ounces right?
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Cheaper dichroic burns easier. Also, using a flame that isn't oxidizing will do it. Work it hot with a neutral flame and it will burn out no problem.
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Cosmo - I could KISS YOU!!!!  I have never heard the oxidizing flame thing before, so I tried that tonight. A dichro that I burned up a couple of weeks ago went on so beautifully! I could not believe it. Thank you SO much!
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How much do you want for it. That's about 1 1/2 ounces right?
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The cost of shipping and a padded envelope will do.
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2009-11-05, 9:39pm
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I think I can handle that. How would you like me to send the envelope? Do you know how much shipping will be? Do you do paypal?
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