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2007-01-05, 12:42pm
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Do You Let Your Beads Touch?
I have an AIM 84BD kiln and I quickly run out of space in it..
I was going to set them in the kiln for a few minutes and then move it over and start piling them up but I am so afraid I will end up with a bunch of kiss marks..
So they question is, do you let them touch in the kiln? I know you can't with enamels but do you all let the rest touch?
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2007-01-05, 12:49pm
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I usually do. just do like you said and let them cool a bit before you let them touch.
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2007-01-05, 12:53pm
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I have found that my ones with 96 frit on the outside can be a little sticky so I don't let them touch. My BE ones are usually ok.
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2007-01-05, 12:53pm
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I have a chili pepper with a little 3-4" length of a rod rest centered in it. I make my first bead and place it on the left side of the rack. Then then I place the next one on the right side of the rack, and move the left one off the rack and to the fiber blanket. Next one goes on the left side of the rack, and the right bead moves off and on to the fiber blanket. I just keep alternating sides, so there's only ever one bead on the rack and it's ready for the next bead. I don't worry about the ones off to the side touching because they're no longer tacky hot.
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2007-01-05, 12:58pm
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Yes. I don't worry about it. I have heard people say they've had trouble with rubino, but I don't use a lot of rubino, at least not on the surface.
I've only had sticking trouble once, and I must have put a bead away too hot that time.
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2007-01-05, 1:04pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meganbushfl
I have an AIM 84BD kiln and I quickly run out of space in it..
I was going to set them in the kiln for a few minutes and then move it over and start piling them up but I am so afraid I will end up with a bunch of kiss marks..
So they question is, do you let them touch in the kiln? I know you can't with enamels but do you all let the rest touch?
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we have the same kiln, my husband built a rack for inside and we can stack them three high and many wide without touching...Dan will drop his to the floor of the kiln after they have been in the kiln for awhile...he makes encased twisty style donut beads...I don't like mine to touch, they are pressed beads and go in hot...probably hotter than Dan puts his in, and many times have raku frits and so forth and I dont want them to get kiss marks, to much time into each bead...so I stack mine three to four high/using the top of the rack to...and across...Dan makes three donut style on a mandrel, but we find we most of the time have plenty of room for a few sets of his/sets of nine and a couple good size sets of mine, approx 20 pressed beads.
a rack really helps with this kiln
you do have the bead door right?
it makes for a lot more room with no worries
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2007-01-05, 2:03pm
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My Effetre beads without frit are fine to touch once they are cooled, yet I find that beads with transparent Reichenbach frit, esp, the pinks and reds, will get kiss marks on them and even stick to the small pieces of fiber blanket I put in there to help layer the stacking. Those I do last and keep them separated.
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2007-01-05, 2:15pm
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I don't simply because I don't trust my kiln. I know it runs hot and even though I've adjusted to accommodate for this I worry that with the temp fluctuations everytime I open the door to put a bead in while I'm working that something will happen. My solution is also to use a rack which allows me to stack one layer high and one below it and with that I can usually accommodate a good 50-70 beads depending on size and how good I am about placing them close together to maximize the space I've got.
I've got a 2-door bead annealer from The Glass Hive.
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2007-01-05, 2:23pm
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I put mine on the rack and then move them into a huge pile. I have never had any issues. It hasn't even been an issue with the enamels I use. If it wasn't for being able to do this I'd never beable to make my goal number of vessels.
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2007-01-05, 2:30pm
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Is it just me, or did anyone else go to a dirty place (mentally) after reading "do you let your beads touch?"
Serious answer: No, I try to avoid letting them touch. The first time I used my kiln, I totally melted a bead into a blob that ended up on the kiln floor. Then a couple months ago when I was putting a bead in through the kiln door, it touched another bead and they fused together. Of course they were the nicest beads of the batch. Ever since, I have a no touch policy in the kiln.
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2007-01-05, 2:33pm
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2007-01-05, 2:48pm
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2007-01-05, 2:53pm
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I probably would have if i hadn't had problems with mine sticking together in the kiln My head is usually right in the gutter there too!
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2007-01-05, 3:03pm
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Your glass shouldn't be tacky once it gets to annealing temperature. The beads can be sticky when you put them in because they are way hotter than the kiln but (at least with Effetre, I don't work Bullseye so I don't know about it) once they have been in there for a while you can pile them up... unless you don't trust your kiln.
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2007-01-05, 3:30pm
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I've found that beads made with Raku can get kiss marks well after the fact, so I never let them touch anything else, but with the above exceptions that were already mentioned, I have no problems.
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2007-01-05, 3:44pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zooziis
I've found that beads made with Raku can get kiss marks well after the fact, so I never let them touch anything else, but with the above exceptions that were already mentioned, I have no problems.
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Umm ... interesting .... I usually make sure I have a row of untouching beads and then move them all piled up to the left of the kiln and redo the row - the last one in the row gets moved left but not onto the pile.
I've used raku, other frits, some enamel and other glasses and never had a problem. The only time I do is when I am initially putting the beads into the kiln and missaim when the bead is not cool enough.
Sadie
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2007-01-05, 3:45pm
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Quote:
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I've found that beads made with Raku can get kiss marks well after the fact, so I never let them touch anything else, but with the above exceptions that were already mentioned, I have no problems.
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Well I have observed something with Raku that could look like a kiss but isn't, as I've noticed it in the flame. When using Raku with Moretti, I sometimes have problems fire polishing the piece as the Raku dots tend to stay flatter than the surface of the bead whatever I do. I thought it was due to the differences in COE and that could appear as a kiss or a slightly flattened spot after annealing.
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2007-01-05, 4:01pm
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Is it just me, or did anyone else go to a dirty place (mentally) after reading "do you let your beads touch?"
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I'm almost disappointed that I didn't, I'm usually more alert to these delicacies than that... but at least I hope we get pics if your beads do anything interesting, right ?
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2007-01-05, 4:14pm
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I'm almost disappointed that I didn't, I'm usually more alert to these delicacies than that... but at least I hope we get pics if your beads do anything interesting, right ?
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LOL! Generally speaking I hate taking photographs, but if my beads do anything "interesting," you can be sure I will post the pics.
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2007-01-05, 6:20pm
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I take great pains to make sure my beads don't touch in the kiln but I think I might have issues-I don't let the food on my plate touch either.
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2007-01-05, 8:29pm
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I take great pains to make sure my beads don't touch in the kiln but I think I might have issues-I don't let the food on my plate touch either.
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2007-01-05, 11:10pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaye
we have the same kiln, my husband built a rack for inside and we can stack them three high and many wide without touching...Dan will drop his to the floor of the kiln after they have been in the kiln for awhile...he makes encased twisty style donut beads...I don't like mine to touch, they are pressed beads and go in hot...probably hotter than Dan puts his in, and many times have raku frits and so forth and I dont want them to get kiss marks, to much time into each bead...so I stack mine three to four high/using the top of the rack to...and across...Dan makes three donut style on a mandrel, but we find we most of the time have plenty of room for a few sets of his/sets of nine and a couple good size sets of mine, approx 20 pressed beads.
a rack really helps with this kiln
you do have the bead door right?
it makes for a lot more room with no worries
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I would love to see a pic of your rack.. LOL I have the bead door and have kinda what looks like a holly roller but sits in the kiln under tension, has a bunch of holes in it so I can place the beads in anyhow I want.. I am able to get about 50 in there if I am really careful but then I wold have to stop and let it run its cycle.. I hate that because you get on a roll sometimes and don't want to stop..
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2007-01-05, 11:41pm
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When I put a bead in my kiln I put the tail end of the mandrel under a wire that I have set up that uses the lip of the kiln as a fulcrum. This has the bead setting in mid-air in the kiln. By the time I make the next bead, I move the first bead down to the pile, and replace it.
I use 12" of 8 ga. copper wire snaked around and held down by my kiln, to form this ledge to put my mandrels under.
You can see a photo of this setup. I have a toolbox kiln with a small door. It is to the left side of the door. Look for a piece of wire and the mandrel sticking out of the door. There are a few mandrels on the right side of the door. Go to my cane tutorial and look for Step 3. Enlarge the image by clicking on it.
http://www.tumbleweedglass.com/cane.html
Beads stick together or make marks over 1200 degrees, so if you are annealing at 960, once the bead gets to this temp it is no longer in danger.
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2007-01-05, 11:45pm
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I let a couple of them get friendly last night and it ruined the both of them.
No more touching!!
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2007-01-06, 2:13am
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lol Steve, I was watching that picture and thought wow she has got serious hairy arms.... figures she is a he
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