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2009-05-05, 12:03pm
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Powder application woes
I did a search on powders, found some great info and some fun ideas, but didn't find the answer to my question, so I am thinking I might be powder challenged.
I am trying to use powder to back my pendants with. I only have one powder, so I can't compare it to other powders.
I have Northstar P12504 Jet Black.
I am having a hard time applying the powder. I pour it on a graphite or brass paddle, then shake it a bit so it doesn't have any mounds, then when I push the pendant back into it, I get clumps of powder.
I have tried to tap the pendant to knock off the clumps, but they are stubborn and don't tap off.
Then I have to heat and heat it to get it to lay down nice. I either lose part of the shape of the pendant or take forever to melt the powder nice and flat.
Am I missing something?
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2009-05-05, 2:15pm
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Powder is fickle that way. Heat too much and too deeply and you get clumps.
You can try heating the back of the pendant briefly with a fierce flame. Then just lightly and quickly dab the pendant in the powder.
That way just a thin amount of glass on the surface is hot enough to pick up a fine layer of powder. Then melt it in and repeat until you get the look you want.
Another thing is that it is sometimes easier to get a nice layer if you have a larger/deeper volume of the powder to dab into so that the graphite isn't so close that it pulls heat out of the main piece of glass.
Honestly I haven't used a lot of powder on the back of pendants. I go for the frit myself.
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2009-05-05, 2:20pm
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With powder, apply it in multiple coats, not just one coat. I have never really backed a pendant with it because I think it's quicker and easier to just use a rod, but I do a lot of vessels with powder on them, and I tend to use at least 10-12 coats if I want it solid.
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2009-05-05, 2:33pm
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I never even considered the heat was going through the powder and making it stick to itself!
That makes so much sense, I have been giving the pendant a good healthy dose of heat before putting it in the powder. I was treating it like frit or 104 enamel. I probably was pushing pretty hard, too.
I am so thankful! I was afraid I was going to have to sift it on, and that is messy and puts more glass particles in the air.
I have tried with a rod, I get so-so results. My best bet so far has been small frit, but I had to try some powder. I tend to want to try everything before I settle on any particular way to do anything.
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2009-05-05, 3:21pm
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It's all in the look you want. For a more formal solid color backing, smearing it on following a spiral motion from the center outward with a rod is basically the way I go about it.
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2009-05-05, 3:55pm
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I need to try the rod method again, I was gifted some really fantastic colors that would make great backings!! I think when I was doing it I was really new to boro and I was pulling my stringers pretty thick, I will try again with some smaller stringers.
I haven't tried it using a full rod. I am on a cricket, so I probably don't have the heat to accomplish that very well.
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2009-05-05, 8:30pm
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There's a trick to getting a good back with a rod. Easier to show than to put into words though.
You will have no problem doing it with a cricket.
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2009-05-05, 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by Cosmo
There's a trick to getting a good back with a rod. Easier to show than to put into words though.
You will have no problem doing it with a cricket.
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As are most glass techniques 
Glad to know I will be able to do it with a cricket. After I get this powder thing worked out, that will be my next step. Is it on one of your tutes? If so, which one?
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2009-05-06, 5:55am
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Originally Posted by twiggyinaz
As are most glass techniques
Glad to know I will be able to do it with a cricket. After I get this powder thing worked out, that will be my next step. Is it on one of your tutes? If so, which one? |
It will be in my next book...
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2009-05-11, 12:08pm
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Marbles, dude, Marbles
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I used to coat pendants by smearing it on in a spiral movement but then I would usually be able to see the smear lines from the front of the pendant. So, now I take a rod, heat the end up into a small glob and gently push it into the center of the back of the pendant. Then I just keep heating the rod and feeding it into that center glob. Once I have a big enough glob I heat the entire glob and let it flow out to the edges of the pendant (with a little help from a graphite paddle). Voila, no smear lines.
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2009-05-11, 12:28pm
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The glob method sounds like it is right up my alley, I can't wait to try that.
Besides, how much fun is it to melt and push glass? One of my favorite things!
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2009-05-12, 6:56am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gmkcpa
I used to coat pendants by smearing it on in a spiral movement but then I would usually be able to see the smear lines from the front of the pendant. So, now I take a rod, heat the end up into a small glob and gently push it into the center of the back of the pendant. Then I just keep heating the rod and feeding it into that center glob. Once I have a big enough glob I heat the entire glob and let it flow out to the edges of the pendant (with a little help from a graphite paddle). Voila, no smear lines.
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That's pretty much the way I do it.
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2009-06-03, 8:17pm
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gmkcpa and cosmo,
The glob method works best for me too. I am doing it in a couple stages because I keep getting the whole pendant too hot, but everytime I do it, it gets better and easier and I get faster at moving the glass. Practice practice practice!
I have given up on the powder for the time being, I will mess with it again another day. Putting a good size mound on my marver helped, but it is still a pain in the patootey. By the time I get to the point of backing the pendant, I am too close to being finished and lose patience.
Thank you so very very much for all the info and input, it really helped me a lot to have different views and options! You all rock!
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