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2011-03-27, 3:17pm
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Is there a trick to tell the differences in black?
I have a bunch of 104 blacks and every time I think I have them figured out, I don't. It usually ends up with a messed up bead. I've tried melting them into ivory and seeing what spreads. I've also tried white. I know I have regular moretti, hades, intense and metallic. I've also tried melting the ends into paddles. Some sort of have a metallic sheen when melted. I thought, oh, that's the metallic black! I don't think so. Maybe they are hades or moretti? Ugh, I just can't tell.
Please don't mind but I'm gonna be posting a lot of these types of questions as I'm pickling and labeling EVERYTHING.
Please help!
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2011-03-27, 3:28pm
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Pull a fine stringer ( like hair thin) - hades and intense black will be black, regular effetre black will be purple when held to the light. Idk about met. black, regular effetre won't reduce like that tho.
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2011-03-27, 3:28pm
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Regular Effetre is dark purple. You can see it if you pull a tiny point and hold it up to the light. Intense black is still black when you do that. 've never used Hades, so I have no input on that.
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2011-03-27, 3:30pm
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Yeah. What Jen said. Except the part about regular black not reducing. It definitely does in some batches. That was one of the reasons I preferred Vetrofond.
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2011-03-27, 3:31pm
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Thanks guys.. I should have thought of that. Sometimes, I get so frustrated I get mindblocked, lol. So now I have to tell the differences in hades and intense black. Won't intense spread, like spiderwebs, on certain colors?
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2011-03-27, 3:32pm
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Quote:
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Yeah. What Jen said. Except the part about regular black not reducing. It definitely does in some batches. That was one of the reasons I preferred Vetrofond.
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I think that's what is throwing me too. I think it was getting a metallic sheen to it, the regular black, that is. Metallic Black divits, right?
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2011-03-27, 4:24pm
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Pull a thin stringer and hold it up to the light. If it's purple it's Italian. If it's black it's CIM.
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2011-03-27, 4:41pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevan
Pull a thin stringer and hold it up to the light. If it's purple it's Italian. If it's black it's CIM.
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Even if it's intense black?
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2011-03-27, 4:53pm
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Intense Black is black, even pulled thin.
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2011-03-27, 5:07pm
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I can't tell the difference between intense black and Hades. They both look the same when pulled thin and they both bleed and web.
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2011-03-27, 5:37pm
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So, will Hades web on ivory just as easily as intense? Or is this something that will happen after you work it a little?
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2011-03-27, 6:26pm
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i haven't noticed a difference with hades and intense black either, except maybe the IB can be lumpy at times and hades hasn't been - but this might be a batch difference, I haven't bought a lot of IB so I'm not sure. They both seem to work about the same otherwise.
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2011-03-27, 6:31pm
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CIM Tuxedo is dark blue when pulled thin.( I've been working with it all day)
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2011-03-28, 12:11am
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hades behaves exactly the same as effetre intense black
effetre black is dark purple
cim black (tuxedo) is dark blue
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2011-03-28, 3:37am
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Doesn't hades react with silver?
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2011-03-28, 4:16am
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If you are having trouble seeing the color when pulled in a thin stringer, mix a small amount with white and stir together to see what color the white takes on.
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2011-03-28, 4:36am
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Vetro black is supposed to be blue based.
I have also heard a rumor that blacks are more likely to bleed if your propane tank is less than half full.
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2011-03-28, 4:51am
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I musta got ripped off because my intense black was purple when pulled thin. =/
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2011-03-28, 4:57am
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Thanks everyone. I'm gonna trial every single one, AGAIN, today. I think I've got it although hades and intense will give me some trouble, I'm sure, but we'll see. If I can't figure it out, I may be back.
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2011-03-28, 9:09am
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Quote:
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Doesn't hades react with silver?
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It does. Hades wrapped with some silver and lightly reduced makes some pretty blues. I have no idea if IB does it too.
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2011-03-28, 9:11am
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INtense black will get a silver sheen on it when reduced...haven't tried it on the rod, but my intense black frit always used to go silver on me to my frustration. (before I knew what i was doing)
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2011-03-28, 10:52am
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I find that intense black webs and hades does creates more of a halo when superheated.
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2011-03-29, 8:49pm
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Ok, I wanted to let you all know the results of my testing. I'm so very proud I figured it out. First, I tested all the blacks on opalino white as I thought the translucency would help especially when coming down to hades and intense black. I was indeed correct. Of course, the moretti turned purple, which was expected. Hades on opalino white had sort of a hazy greenish border, sort of like a halo like Felicia said. Intense black did, in fact, web immediately on the opalino white and you could tell it was more of a dark, dark purple. I also found another color I thought was black all this time but who knows what the heck it is, lol. It looks black in rod form but on the opalino white it was a very pale grayish color, weird. I have to play around with that one some more to determine what it actually is.
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2011-03-29, 8:51pm
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Thank you all for your help!
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2011-03-29, 9:02pm
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Quote:
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CIM Tuxedo is dark blue when pulled thin.( I've been working with it all day)
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Hmmm...interesting! So it's not a green or muddy purple if blended with white, I'll bet! This I must try. 
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