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Old 2020-07-15, 9:34am
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Hi all. I live in the U.K. and I was wondering about the possibility of using house gas (instead of propane) on my Bravo. Bethlehem burners state that due to the torch having been designed as a low pressure burner it will work happily with house gas.

I have read (somewhere (a U.K. source)) that this a consideration, and that it is simply a case of having an extra gas line added and the correct fitting (3/8 bsp) for the torch (with a shut off valve) installed.

I would appreciate any feedback on this as it will eliminate the need to have propane. I have a oxycon setup for the oxygen so to have a house gas line will allow for a bottle/tank free studio.

I respectfully ask if there is anyone in the U.K. that has some info on this please.
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Old 2020-07-15, 12:26pm
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Hi and welcome. Try this link. It is the Lampwork forum of the UK. Lots of nice people there.


https://www.frit-happens.co.uk/forum/index.php
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Old 2020-07-15, 1:15pm
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Hi. Thank you for your lovely reply. I will certainly checkout the site.
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Old 2020-07-15, 2:25pm
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you should ask your gas company, there are limits to what they will install for residential, also ask Bethlehem. Low pressure is supposed to work with a minor/Mega minor, but I would hesistate with an alpha, let alone a Bravo...but who knows? Good luck
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Old 2020-07-15, 3:19pm
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Hi Kristin. Thanks for the info, I will look into that. I appreciate your time and consideration.
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Old 2020-07-16, 5:44am
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Aye, I have a GTT Cricket and I put in an extension from the back of my natural gas stove to my torch bench.

It is extremely low volume flow but I have no trouble working sizable soft glass pieces and even some small boro up to about 3/4 of an inch.

You could use the search function at the top of the page to look for natural gas.

If you use quotation marks, as in "natural gas", you will get more pointed results.
If you don't use them you will get results on both the words - natural - and - gas - as well as the two together.
Searches without quotes can take a rather long time as it looks for all individual words and then looks for combinations.

You can also get better results by using the Search This Thread drop down within specific threads like Safety or Boro or Studios.

Good luck and welcome to the addiction.
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Old 2020-07-16, 8:12pm
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Hi Phill.

Sorry for the delay - only just seen your post.

Thank you for the great info.

I will look into some of the points that you have made. I think that the main issue is going to be the pressure (psi) of the gas here in the U.K. On an earlier search - I did find a company that make a booster for the use of natural gas - unfortunately though, they are not for the U.K. market.
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No worries on the delay thing.


I'm 5 time zones away but we have others that are in Australia so "timely replies" have more to do with what month than what day.

And I often don't check most of the forums threads for weeks at a time.

I am often peeking into the Bathroom thread where there is often a daily "how's it going" thread.
But there were lots of bots back when this forum software was written so the threads in the "Back Alley" threads were put behind a requirement of 15 posts before new folks could access to kill off the spam and porn link posts and such.

So, again, no worries about -timely replies- as far as I'm concerned.

Besides, life always finds a way if getting in the way of the best laid plans and such ....
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Old 2020-07-17, 11:39am
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Maybe get in touch with Tuffnell's. I am sure they have heard all about which of the torches they sell have worked best with the in house gas systems on your side of the pond.

https://tuffnellglass.com/contents/en-uk/d36.html




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Hi all. I live in the U.K. and I was wondering about the possibility of using house gas (instead of propane) on my Bravo. Bethlehem burners state that due to the torch having been designed as a low pressure burner it will work happily with house gas.

I have read (somewhere (a U.K. source)) that this a consideration, and that it is simply a case of having an extra gas line added and the correct fitting (3/8 bsp) for the torch (with a shut off valve) installed.

I would appreciate any feedback on this as it will eliminate the need to have propane. I have a oxycon setup for the oxygen so to have a house gas line will allow for a bottle/tank free studio.

I respectfully ask if there is anyone in the U.K. that has some info on this please.
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Old 2020-07-17, 3:42pm
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Hi Lorraine. Thank you for your thoughts.

I suppose the idea of having a tankless studio is appealing. Time will tell.
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There are people in the UK running their torches off their household gas supply - but not many. It works fine - but the problem is finding a registered gas fitter who is prepared to install it for you.

It's worth a try - good luck!
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Old 2020-07-21, 8:42am
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Hi Moira. Lovely to hear from you.

Yes I have heard that some have managed to get this done.

I think that a lot of the fitters, of whom are reluctant to take on the commission, do not realise that flameworkers (on the whole) know a great deal about the safety, valve and hose construction, torch mechanics etc.

As I will be using a Bravo torch - my main concern is the ability of the house gas pressure to offer enough for the torch to work with.

It would be lovely if I could find someone that actually has this setup working.
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Old 2020-07-21, 10:03am
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Hi and welcome. Try this link. It is the Lampwork forum of the UK. Lots of nice people there.


https://www.frit-happens.co.uk/forum/index.php
Hi Lorraine. Trusting that this finds you well.

Thank you again for the above link - I took a look and set up an account. (as one does here) I had a mail back stating that my membership would be checked and that I would hear back shortly.

That was the Day after we spoke - as yet no reply back. Therefore I was wondering - is the forum actually still active? And ideas on this please.
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You might have to actually do the work yourself.

Start with getting a "consult" from a professional. That way they are have no liability, they are just offering you an opinion on what you plan to do.

Then get all the parts to do what you have planned and get another "consult" from a professional.

Then do the installation yourself and lastly have it inspected by a professional or the local code inspector or a fire marshal.

The work itself is not hard to do or to understand.

I don't know how the laws work where you live but where I am they have this "King of the castle" thing in the local laws that says the government can't tell me what I can and can not do in my own home if I have title to the place ( or a mortgage on it).
We can be held liable if something goes wrong that winds up causing problems for others and we have to follow what ever deals we make with the bank that holds the mortgage.
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Old 2020-07-21, 12:58pm
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Frit Happens is still going, just. It used to be very active, before the mass migration to Facebook. And I hear that that applications to join may disappear into someone's junk file and not be noticed immediately.

I recommend that you persist though. Email again. There is a mine of useful information there, all searchable. When you manage to batter your way in, search for 'natural gas', and you will find some good info - a few years old admittedly.
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Hi Phill. Thanks for the info - most kind of you. I am thinking that it is, as you say, a matter of persistence.
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Thank you Moira, that is encouraging. I was wondering if the forum had closed down.
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Hi, Yes Lampworking, this forum and some forum members in particular suffered some very hard blows a few years back.

But it is about time for it to make a resurgence. Frit Happens is like LE, it has a ton of info, photos and just anything you might want to know. You will not be disappointed. Hang in there and keep trying. In the meantime we're here to help all we can too.


Here is what Bethlehem says about the Bravo:

improved design replacing our popular Barracuda Burner
All stainless steel construction that stays cool while the flame is super hot
A unique design that allows for a higher volume of fuel at a lower inlet pressure- 15 cu. ft./hr. at only 2 psi.
Can also operate on household gas (1/4 psi) and oxygen concentrators (7 psi




Here is what Tuffnell Glass says in the UK:

The centre torch has 6 jets for fine detail work while the outer fire has 12 jets , ideal for boro up to 44mm dia borosilicate tubing and all your soft glass needs .Marble makers will love it but it will need either oxygen cylinders or 3 reconditioned oxy-cons or 1 new 10ltr oxy-con and 1 5ltr oxy-con to run.

You will also need an oxygen splitter and propane splitter to run this torch as there are two oxygen and propane hoses running to the torch

A little different and Tuffnell Glass doesn't mention the household gas. Hmmm?
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