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2011-08-22, 9:06am
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Which White Are You Using for Black & White Beads?
As far as black goes, I'm all set with Black Diamond and Deep Black but I'm needing a nice opaque white to make black and white beads. I've used light ivory in the past for a solid color but it has to be white this time and hopefully one that doesn't spread too much. Any suggestions?
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2011-08-22, 12:44pm
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What about Reichenbach 104 Porcelain, has anyone tried it? Is it a dense opaque, be ok for black & white beads?
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2011-08-22, 1:36pm
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I use Effetre white. It's about as opaque as they come.
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2011-08-22, 1:45pm
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I also use effetre white and never have had a problem.
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2011-08-22, 2:20pm
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Thanks. I must have a not so great batch because my effetre white is more translucent than solid white. Don't want to buy more and wind up with it being the same as what I've got already.
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2011-08-22, 2:36pm
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#204 Effetre white.
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2011-08-22, 2:48pm
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I think you might have Anise White. It is translucent, but plain old white is definitely opaque, doesn't bleed and is an all-around great glass.
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2011-08-22, 3:12pm
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I have both effetre white and anise white, I know the difference. The effetre white I have looks opaque in the rod but when I use it, it looks white but the bead has a milky appearance if you hold it up to the light and stringers are really translucent. I need something dense enough for stringer work. Maybe I'll order a small amount and see, the current batch I have is about 2 years old.
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2011-08-22, 3:19pm
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The batch of effetre white that I have isn't as dense as the old stuff either, and that batch was from a couple years ago.
However, I get effetre white stringers and that is much denser. If I put a stringer on top of a bead made from a regular 6mm rod of white, you can see the difference.
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2011-08-22, 3:26pm
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I use the Reichenbach porcelain for the fine stringer or dot work, it is way denser and a lovely bright white although a little stiff to work with (which of course can be an advantage when using fine stringer).
I don't mind the effetre white when I used it before, but when compared to porcelain, just doesn't cut the mustard at all.
Nat
ps. if I had a pic I would post it up, but those beads have all sold! LOL
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2011-08-22, 4:05pm
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We have been using Effetre 204 as white for B&W beads and along with intense black works really well.
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2011-08-22, 4:21pm
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If memory serves, I think Brad Pearson said he used a light gray (not sure which one exactly but it's Effetre) as white for his black and white dot beads. I have seen them in person, they look white.
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2011-08-22, 4:26pm
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I like CiM Peace.
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2011-08-22, 5:08pm
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Reichenbach Porcelain is sort of reactive, and sort of semi-opaque, but is a beautiful colour that doesn't bleed. It's not really White though, it's more of an off-white, and when it reacts with other colours it turns pink.
I really like CiM Peace when I want a completely opaque white, but I've learned you have to work it sort of cool because my most recent batch has been a little prone to greying up when it gets too hot. I like Effetre White best when I actually want a little translucency, like with a white design on an encased bead.
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2011-08-22, 5:14pm
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Thanks everyone, you’ve given me some great ideas to try out.
Unfortunately that’s the white I’m having problems with now.
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Originally Posted by Flame Ryder
We have been using Effetre 204 as white for B&W beads and along with intense balck works really well.
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Thanks for the reminder! Now I remember reading that from Corina years ago. I'm making a list of whites to order and I'm going to get some stringers and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by Damselfly
The batch of effetre white that I have isn't as dense as the old stuff either, and that batch was from a couple years ago.
However, I get effetre white stringers and that is much denser. If I put a stringer on top of a bead made from a regular 6mm rod of white, you can see the difference.
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Thanks Nat! I agree a stiffer white would be great for scrollwork. I did a search on Google and found Melanie's blog post about Porcelain, half way down the page. http://melanie-graham.blogspot.com/search?q=Porcelain
She did a scroll on Tuxedo and it looks just as milky as the effetre white I have now. I've never used Tuxedo so don't know if that color just sucked the life out of Porcelain, lol.
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Originally Posted by Natsprat
I use the Reichenbach porcelain for the fine stringer or dot work, it is way denser and a lovely bright white although a little stiff to work with (which of course can be an advantage when using fine stringer). I don't mind the effetre white when I used it before, but when compared to porcelain, just doesn't cut the mustard at all.
Nat ps. if I had a pic I would post it up, but those beads have all sold! LOL
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Wow, that's interesting! I do have an older vetro odd very pale gray that might work. I better go dig it out and see what happens. Thanks Hayley!
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If memory serves, I think Brad Pearson said he used a light gray (not sure which one exactly but it's Effetre) as white for his black and white dot beads. I have seen them in person, they look white.
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I remember someone telling me this before and I bought some and used it. For some reason I've got it in my head it didn't work but can't remember why. Time to go revisit Peace again. Thanks!
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I like CiM Peace.
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2011-08-22, 5:16pm
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There you are Melanie, I was talking about you, lol. You must have posted while I was typing! I really enjoyed going through all your glass testing info, really appreciate it!
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2011-08-22, 8:06pm
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I seem to remember something like this happening a few years ago with pea green. The formula changed and the newer batch was not as opaque. I didn't realize there was a difference in one batch of Effetre white to the next, but it makes you wonder why they would mess with a good thing.
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2011-08-22, 9:25pm
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CIM Peace is the only opaque white I use anymore.
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2011-08-22, 11:47pm
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I made a couple test beads with the effetre stringers and black, and they're in the kiln now. I'll post them on Friday for you.
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2011-08-23, 8:26am
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Thank you!
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Originally Posted by Damselfly
I made a couple test beads with the effetre stringers and black, and they're in the kiln now. I'll post them on Friday for you.
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2011-08-23, 2:34pm
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You're welcome I don't have pics for you yet, but here is the outcome.
I used the following two colors, both ordered about a year ago.
591204-02 Effetre White Pastel 2-3mm Stringer
591064 Effetre Black Transparent
I took a stringer on the thinner side, made two base beads out of the black, and made one bead that has a white wavy line and white dots, and another bead that I used hair fine stringer of the white pulled from the stringer, on the black bead. The wavy line bead I purposefully marvered at an angle so one side of the white wavy line would get really thin against the black, and it looked translucent on that edge while I made it, but it came out perfectly opaque. there's no difference between the edges on the final bead. All the dots are opaque too. It's a nice flat, clean opaque white.
With the hair fine stringer, where the stringer kind of balled up in areas, it's opaque. Where it remained hair thin and then melted in and spread, it is a little translucent (and it got a very thin but very cool metallic edge if you look closely). But I'm serious that the stringer was hair thin in those areas.
Pics on Friday.
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2011-08-23, 3:30pm
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Hmmm.....I use effetre white without any problems. Maybe I've just never received a bad batch. Hope you find something that works for you.
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2011-08-23, 3:56pm
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There's nothing wrong with effetre white; it's just that it's not as dense a white as it used to be. It's really evident when used in conjunction with factory made white stringers. I'd post a test bead but I'm not sure that my camera will be able to pick up the difference. I noticed it once when I wanted to add a little extra glass to one end of a bead made with a full sized rod, and I used a premade stringer I had handy. When the bead came out, it was really obvious where I had added the extra glass.
There are no "bad batches" per se. The current effetre white 6mm rods just have less of whatever ingredient makes the white.
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2011-08-24, 5:14am
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If you want it more dense, I would mix effetre white with white enamel and see if that helps. Two or three coats of it, mixed in well should do the trick. Hope that helps!
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2011-09-02, 1:19pm
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Here's the pic of the test beads I made with effetre black and effetre white stringers.
The white is bright where ever it is fairly thick. The very thin lines were made with hair fine stringer, so they're not quite as opaque.
It does have a tendency to spread though
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2011-09-03, 9:30am
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The recent Effetre whites that I have seen have been watered down. Lauscha kryolith white was coming through much denser and whiter.
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2011-09-03, 9:24pm
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I am getting a nice crisp bead if I do black with white over it using effetre black or hades black and vetrofond white.
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