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Old 2010-05-20, 6:25am
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Question Apple Core Bead

Is there anyone has an idea about how to make Liliana's Apple core bead?
I'm very curious about it :S
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Old 2010-05-20, 6:48am
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She has written a tutorial on how to do it... http://www.etsy.com/listing/45816590...the-apple-core
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Old 2010-05-20, 6:58am
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Sweet! I kind of know how to do those, but I still manage to screw it up
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Old 2010-05-20, 9:11am
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Really? I made lots of practises but failed.
in the picture of the bead, whole cells looks splayed and center of the bead looks very thin.
I don’t understand how can she give this splayed effect.
Do you have an idea?
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Old 2010-05-20, 9:20am
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I am assuming you have purchased the tutorial? Just write her and ask her for support on her tutorial.
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Old 2010-05-20, 9:36am
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No, I haven't. just trying to make predictions about how to do
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Cansu - the etiquette in the lampworking community is that if there is a tutorial for sale on a technique, it's uncool for anyone to discuss and dissect such technique on a forum. I would suggest that if you are really interested in making apple core beads, purchase the tutorial and the author will answer any additional questions you may have.
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Old 2010-05-20, 9:54am
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Ok, I think you're right. Apologize for my indiscretion.
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Old 2010-05-20, 9:57am
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No worries, Cansu. I see that you are new to our forum, thus giving such unsolicited advice. Welcome!
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Old 2010-05-20, 10:08am
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This is just my .02....

I keep seeing people (no offense to you Cansu, it's been a LOT
of people) that will spend hours and hours of valuable time,
waste TONS of glass (and tons of electricity on their kiln) trying
to figure out to make a bead rather than spend the $10 or $20
on a tutorial.

For me, my personal time is more valuable than $2 an hour
and my glass is limited in supply. It actually IS more cost
effective to just purchase a tutorial, LEARN how to do it right,
and benefit from the knowledge.

Honestly, if you take the first 5 beads you make and sell
them on ebay, you'll make up the cost of most tutorials
in a heartbeat (just don't forget to put some spin on the
original design to make it your OWN!).

Again, just my two cents....it's good money spent (and
it also is a pretty good tax write-off too...).

Carry on.
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Old 2010-05-20, 10:30am
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Looks like you'll need to contact the artist and ask her to update her Etsy listing so you can purchase a copy because it's showing sold-out right now. Good luck with this Cansu and welcome to LE.
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Old 2010-05-20, 10:53am
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Jim Smircich originally did the apple core bead and he gives a clue here:

http://www.smircich.com/html/separation_line.html

The little booklet by Jim Kervin on Smircich's techniques show how he does the apple cores - his are bicones but the idea is the same.
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Old 2010-05-20, 11:05am
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She has one here:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/45464199...esign-starting
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Old 2010-05-20, 12:57pm
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Karen, I understand what you said, you are right about respecting to labours but as Heyley said, I'm new in that forum and discussion about any technique doesn't seemed me queer. I don't want someone to explain every detail about the tech. just want to share opinions about the appearance of the bead.
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Old 2010-05-20, 1:10pm
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I wonder exactly what the etiquette is when the person that wrote the tutorial was not the first, and is not the only, person making that bead?
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I wonder exactly what the etiquette is when the person that wrote the tutorial was not the first, and is not the only, person making that bead?
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I wonder exactly what the etiquette is when the person that wrote the tutorial was not the first, and is not the only, person making that bead?
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I was taught this bead by Jim Smircich. It's explained in the booklet by Jim Kervin. I believe Frantz carries the booklets for somewhere around $12.00.

Writing a tutorial does not give a person ownership of a technique. I think this has already been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere on this forum.
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Old 2010-05-20, 1:25pm
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I have both of Jim Smircich's videos, and I do attribute the apple core bead to him.
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Old 2010-05-20, 1:55pm
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This is where I first learned it too, from Jim's DVD...

Sometimes a person does a variation of a tecnique and so writes a nice tutorial for those who want to experiment or learn ... It's good too..

There is always room for kindness I say...
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Old 2010-05-20, 1:55pm
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I have both of Jim Smircich's videos, and I do attribute the apple core bead to him.
I do too! As far as I can tell he did originate the technique but that's only as far as I can tell

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Old 2010-05-20, 2:59pm
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I know I am hijacking to drop my 2 centzz, but im gonna anyways...

there is more than one way to skin a chicken! I know personally, that when techniques were openly shared without monetary value, that I AND OTHERS usually had a different way of doing the same thing, and the open discussion about it made it better overall, and people learned more knowing what others did, and incorporating them to the original 'posting', I use the term posting loosely, just because they were the first to publish of sorts does not mean that they are tho ONLY one on earth that ever did that. They just took the time to put it into words and sometimes pictures, yes valuable, but to not speak of them is rude. If a person has not bought or seen a tutorial on a bead type why should there be limitations about talking about such techniques, we did not write the tut, but DID the work, or have an idea and are willing to share! IF said person HAS used the tutorial I can see it RUDE and a form of plagiarism in fact to discuss the details with out citation, but like all books, information about the book "e" or otherwise should be allowed to be discussed. Its not like anyone calls Cindy Jenkins when they need help making a bi-cone. we are just talking a bit more work here. If you make a publication expect it to be shared. It not like we have Forums for each tutorial out there, entry subject to proof of purchase only.. so basically WTF.

OK done with the rant... sorry again to hijack. I just think we should be able to talk freely about all things glass.

oh and yes I have made a bead or 2 like this, trying to achieve an effect similar (filled it in my brain, and moved on), but today is the first time I have ever seen or heard about the tut or the bead itself, other than the one I made.
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Old 2010-05-20, 5:08pm
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and Amen. She just documented the technique, not 'invented" it. I have been doing some versions of this for years, ever since I did an Apple Festival show in Pennsylvania. Hers are sweet though!!
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Old 2010-05-20, 5:12pm
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I have said this before...alot, but I will say it again. The custom of holding all techs close to the vest is ancient in the Lampworking community...but it ended...it ENDED about 20-25 years ago, which is why ANY of us know what we know. Geez.
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I just think we should be able to talk freely about all things glass.
I remember the days when beadmakers shared freely. That's how most of us learned.

I wrote a book on wireworking techniques for beadmakers. In it, I made no claims on owning the techniques. I just put the techniques in a concise manner to make it easy for beginners. While writing the book, I fully knew that there were lots of books out there and quite a bit of info on the net on the subject. But, even though I wrote the book and spent money to have it published, I willingly share info when asked, and still the book sells well. So, lets get back to our sharing ways. People that want concise instructions and pictures to go with it, will buy the tutorials. But a lot of us just like to share techniques, especially techniques that we don't own.

Okay, I'M done rambling. let's share.
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Old 2010-05-20, 5:22pm
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Well, now that we've gotten that out of the way, and I can honestly say I haven't seen Jim's videos or read Liliana's tutorial, here's how I seem to recall it being done, and I haven't tried it in a couple of years, and I'm aging, so follow me at your own risk.

Make a tube bead of your base color

Build up the ends a bit with the color you want there.

Make a thin disk in the center around it (perpendicular) with clear or transparent

Melt it in and as the disk melts down it should push out the base color too.

Like I said though, it's been a few years since I last did one (and correctly for that matter), so good luck

edit: Oh, and it was shown to me in a generic bead making class.
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Old 2010-05-20, 5:29pm
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Is there anyone has an idea about how to make Liliana's Apple core bead?
I'm very curious about it :S
My reply to Cansu's question was based completely on her original post. She wanted to know how to make "Liliana's Apple core bead" and since Liliana had written a tutorial on how to make her Apple Core Bead, I suggested that she purchased the tutorial from Liliana.
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Old 2010-05-20, 5:32pm
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My reply to Cansu's question was based completely on her original post. She wanted to know how to make "Liliana's Apple core bead" and since Liliana had written a tutorial on how to make her Apple Core Bead, I suggested that she purchased the tutorial from Liliana.
Yup, and as for how to make that exact bead, no idea...looks like a twisty is involved and the 104 palette's not my thing. For that, buy the tutorial, $20 is pretty reasonable.
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Tom,

yup, that's about right. I used dark ivory for the core, so the apple would look like it had been around a while and i knifed in some "bite marks" and black seeds, but that's the general idea...Good luck Cansu!!
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Make a diskish bead of opaque, poke holes around its circumference and cover each hole with a dot of clear. Melt in, and then put another wrap or two of more clear on top of the disk. Melt into a bead, add caps of opaque if you want.

Very vague guess as I have never made, seen, or attempted to make an apple core bead.
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Old 2010-05-21, 2:55am
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I tried same as you said but in the middle of the bead looks fat after put dots on cells and put clear over on each cell.
Actually I'm curious about how can she makes the cells looked splayed and center of the bead looks thin as in the picture?

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