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e. mort

2006-04-10, 10:17am

Hi,

Here is my attempt to make the famous "Dougie Rainbow". My colors are very muted compared to those in his video. Anybody else out there having success with this recipe?

Eric

Tanya

2006-04-10, 10:33am

Eric = that looks really nice. A bit muted perhaps, but great color. I've been working with the Dougie colors a lot. I was getting better results with Dougie pink when I first started. I'm having trouble getting the color to strike now, and I'm getting very little color.

I also experimented with it like using Solara over Pomegranite - mostly because I didn't have any Warm Yellow and RS4 at the time. Solara is an interesting color. I really like Bluegrass, which is Dougie Rainbow with a base of blue instead of D. Pink. I'm using the wave and tweezer twists on just about everything. They're great even on single colors - Alaska Night was a pleasant surprise. Also nice over Blue Moon, Indigo Luster and Triple Passion. And Amazon Bronze over D. Pink or Triple Passion. When that strikes, it's gorgeous. I bought the color card book as well so I can reference the colors and recipes without the dvd (like when I'm making beads.) It was expensive, but IMO totally worth it as another way to get familiar with some colors so I can branch off a little more intelligently. Another combination I really like that I used when taking a class with Lauri Copeland was NS Caramel over NS Blue Moon.

His annealing temps are a bit strange here and there - like the first 2 beads are annealed at 975 or something like that. Have you tried that yet? I'm having trouble with the annealing because I can't seem to restrict myself to the colors for a particular annealing schedule. I have enough trouble getting torch time as it is.

I'd be interested in seeing more of your results. If I could motivate to take some pictures, I could learn how to post them so we could compare notes.

e. mort

2006-04-10, 10:41am

Hi Tanya,

I finally went ahead and checked my kiln, and sure enough the temperature down on the floor of it is 60 degrees cooler than the temp where the thermocouple is. I have also been having mixed results with the dougie pink. Sometimes it turns out ok, and sometimes it really stinks. (It NEVER turns out like the color on the video.) I think how thick the warm yellow layer is when compared to the ruby layer may be a larger issue than my kiln temperature, but who knows? I did manage to get some nice fuschia pinks out of NS ELY over GA Ruby 4, but my ability to consistantly get nice pinks is something I dream of more than achieve.

Eric

Tanya

2006-04-10, 10:48am

Know what you mean. Try the Amazon Bronze over D. Pink when you get a chance. It's really nice.

baylie

2006-04-10, 11:02am

I've been lampin for almost a decade, and I don't know what 'dougie colors' are. What is goin on? Was I asleep?

e. mort

2006-04-10, 12:24pm

Doug Remschneider put together a DVD called "Boro Bead Magic." In it he uses the Glass Alchemy Polychromatic colors to produce the most amazing colors. For instance, his trademark "Dougie Pink" is GA Warm Yellow over GA Ruby Strike 4 over clear. When HE does it HE gets the most amazing pink you have ever seen. When I do it I am lucky if I get pink at all, and my pink is always pretty muted. :-({|= However, I will keep working on it. :lol:

Eric

baylie

2006-04-10, 4:47pm

That explains it, haven't bothered with many videos. If anyone has a copy I can borrow, I'll give a marble as rental fee.....

Tanya

2006-04-10, 5:48pm

Baylie - you can borrow my copy. I've watched it a couple of times and now I'm working out of the booklet. PM me with your address.

HardwoodTrailGlass

2006-04-11, 5:02am

Damnit, I missed out on a marble.

Tanya

2006-04-11, 9:37am

:twisted: hee, hee...

Toni L.

2006-04-11, 10:09am

I tried my first time at "dougie pink" this past weekend...I'll post pics when I get home tonight. Should they have become more opaque? Most of them are relatively translucent. I also tried the yellow directly over the red without the clear - those are opaque. Maybe I used too large of a clear rod to start out with? I don't know...

I love the rainbow color - haven't tried it yet. I like what you got Eric - should they have been a bit brighter?

Is there a GA "recipe book" like the NS one by Lori Robbins? I have that and it is very helpful.

Thanks everyone!
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toni

2006-04-12, 6:00am

i made canes of the colors and use them when the mood strikes, im out of many of the colors to mix more right now, they are beautiful canes.
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Lynn Larson

2006-04-12, 6:18am

I've been playing with the process, but i have so few of the colors he uses that i usually corrupt them :lol: This is DAP with Amazon Bronze

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e. mort

2006-04-12, 7:07am

I love the rainbow color - haven't tried it yet. I like what you got Eric - should they have been a bit brighter?

Thanks Toni. Yeah, they should have been a lot brighter. The picture was taken with a flash so that is what it looks like in bright light. It is even more subdued in normal lighting.

Here is another one I did yesterday. The colors are a little better, and I have absolutely no idea why. I used the same cane and everything. :p

Eric

e. mort

2006-04-12, 7:09am

Nice beads Lynn! I will have to try out that combination.

Eric

Cosmo

2006-04-12, 7:35am

Well, I have tried some of Doug's recipies, but I have been experimenting with my own recently. One of my favorites is equal parts Elvis, Solara, and Warm Yellow.

I have noticed that Doug's seem to require a lot more heat. When I work them hot, they seem to come out better.

Lynn Larson

2006-04-12, 7:51am

Thanks Eric!

I usually let the kiln spike a bit too. I'll let it spike to 1250 for about 3-5 minutes before dropping to annealing temp. It makes the reds, purples and pinks a bit more intense.

Lynn Larson

2006-04-12, 7:53am

And in my opinion, both hearts are fantastic! I've talked to several people about whether they prefer boro or soft glass, and a lot of them like the colors in soft better...you could actually be on to something with the softer color in boro pendants!

Tanya

2006-04-12, 8:09am

e. mort

2006-04-12, 8:10am

I will try spiking the kiln a bit. I don't know if you can tell, but the upper right edge of the right lobe of heart has what I am trying to get. Maybe that side was closer to the elements? Well, time to quit procrastinating and get on the torch. I made a whole punch of DAP hearts yesterday that look like CRAP, so I am going to experiment with heating them back to clear and see what happens with the color. (Anything is better than baby poop, or strep throat color as my daughter calls it.)

Eric

Lynn Larson

2006-04-12, 8:21am

Thanks Tanya :D

Eric, do you use tanked o2 or a concentrator? I've discovered that letting the oxy con run for a while before using it helps alot.

Definately heat the DAP to clear!! Then (fun part here) try to case it in clear with out hazing it, then flame strike it.

I can't get anything out of Solara but yellow, and i know it has more to offer...

Cosmo

2006-04-12, 8:28am

Eric - what a beautiful heart! I really like the colors. It must have been the barometric pressure or the position of the moon when you were making it. I had much better luck with my Dougie Pink yesterday.

Lynn - really nice beads. I am starting to get very attached to Amazon Bronze. It's an interesting color.

Cosmo - do you mix the colors together in equal parts or make a cane with them unmixed? I've been experimenting with Pomegranite and Solara, but my results are not as nice as when I first tried this.

I put stripes on a clear rod. Then I heat it up and mix it up like I'm mixing colors, but stop before the colors are completely mixed. When you pull it back down into a rod, it will still have swirls of color.

I'm going to be working on the torch tonight. If I remember, I'll get a picture of what I'm talking about. I think I have some finished stuff around here made with it.

e. mort

2006-04-12, 8:28am

Lynn Larson

2006-04-12, 8:43am

Yeah, I am using tanked Oxy. I must be trapping haze, but how the heck do you not trap haze when using frit? I mean the back I can burn the haze off, but what about the the side of the frit that is up against the glass in a frit implosion? ](*,)

Thanks for the tips though. Off to try it now.

Eric
The haze in an implosion adds to it. See :) I didn't use frit, just dots of blue amber purple (maybe) and then black on the back. All i can suggest for that would be to make sure your clear is hot enough to cover the frit when you smoosh it. That way not a lot of haze would be added as you implode.

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Cosmo

2006-04-12, 8:46am

Tanya

2006-04-12, 12:49pm

Yes, it's a great effect...when you want it. I just wish I could not have it when I don't want it. Gorgeous pendant Lynn! Thanks for the info on the colors Cosmo. I'm looking forward to trying them next time I can torch -probably not until Friday.

e. mort

2006-04-14, 7:46am

OK, I think I am starting to figure out DP (dougie pink).

First, you only need a thin layer - too much DP and you lose the vibrant colors. Second, take the tip of your dougie pink rod to clear as you are applying it to burn off any haze. Third, as Cosmo said, use a lot of heat and keep it hot until you are done. Fourth, after it has cooled down, lightly flame strike way in the back of the flame until you are starting to see wisps of color, and then put it into the kiln.

Here are two hearts that I did yesterday. I was paying with thinner and thicker layers on each one and the areas with the yellows and creams have the thickest layer of DP. These have a heavy layer of clear on the front, so that also affected the striking. The second picture is the back of the pendants so you can see what they look like unencased. The colors are usually much more intense un-encased, but maybe that is a factor of kiln time and I just need to leave them in longer. Maybe I will try re kilning one of these today.

Eric

Lynn Larson

2006-04-14, 8:05am

OOooOooH Eric! I'm loving those hearts!! Looks like you are on the right track! You can flame strike it darker. You definately need to start the strike in the flame, or you will get nothing in the kiln. Flame strike...let cool...flame strike again...should make it more intense.

Tanya

2006-04-14, 8:12am

Great hearts Eric! Nice colors. When you say "use only a thin layer of DP", how do you manage that when you're winding, say for a bead? Or do you wind? Come to think of it, all I can recall for you is pendants and hearts. Marbles. No winding... Perhaps I'll try putting down clear first then applying a thin layer of DP over that. I get great colors when I don't encase, so I'm going to try to minimize that as well. Doug makes it all look so easy...

e. mort

2006-04-14, 9:09am

Hi Tanya,

Pull down your dougie pink rod so it isn't so thick. If you watch the video you can see that the beads he is making are pretty small, and that while he puts three wraps of the color on, they are really thin layers. When I was applying the cane before, I wasn't getting it hot enough so it was going on much more thickly and not spreading out so much. Plus, I am painting it on the backs of pendants and hearts, so I tend to get a thicker layer than I want.

Eric

e. mort

2006-04-14, 9:11am

Thanks Lynn! Do you ever have an issue with getting the streaks of yellow in yours?

Eric

Lynn Larson

2006-04-14, 9:19am

Thanks Lynn! Do you ever have an issue with getting the streaks of yellow in yours?

Eric
Not in the beads. I did a bit in a heart,but i was playing with shorts, so I'm not exactly sure of the colors i was using.

Here are beads
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and here is the heart...it has some other stuff in it too. I think what i was using for yellow wasn't just yellow :lol:
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e. mort

2006-04-14, 9:31am

Oooh, nice color Lynn!

Eric

Tanya

2006-04-15, 4:29am

Thanks Eric. I do pull my DP down pretty thin, but probably get too much on. I'm having a problem with my disk beads popping off the bead release when I do the tweezer twist. The bead release doesn't break, but the bead isn't anchored either. Then I have to melt the whole thing in more, losing my nice disk shape.

I'm wondering if I'm annealing long enough. I just re-read my DP notes and see that he anneals at 1100 F for 4 hours. I'm only annealing for 2 hours. Perhaps that's the problem. And maybe that's why my earlier DP beads seemed better - I just recently started garaging at around 1000 F. Prior to that, I was garaging at annealing temps, so most of my beads were getting annealed much longer.

Lynn - at what temp and for how long are you annealing? Your colors are fantastic!

Lynn Larson

2006-04-15, 7:43am

Thanks Tanya! I've been garaging about 1000-1050, annealing about 1000-1100 for 3-4 hours, with a 4-5 minute spike at 1150-1250. I don't have a digital pyrometer, and no programs, so a lot of it is hum a few bars and fake it :D

Tanya

2006-04-15, 7:51am

Thanks for the info. I guess it's time to start annealing longer. You don't have a digital pyrometer? You are dedicated!

Lynn Larson

2006-04-15, 7:57am

Thanks for the info. I guess it's time to start annealing longer. You don't have a digital pyrometer? You are dedicated!
*snort*

I figured i could check it every once and a while for the cost of the programable ones. You can buy a lot of glass for the price of the controller :)

baylie

2006-04-15, 1:37pm

*snort*

I figured i could check it every once and a while for the cost of the programable ones. You can buy a lot of glass for the price of the controller :)
The price of the controller is nothing compared to losing a days work due to a temp spike. I know I would not work with out a digital control. I get my colors the right color and I know how fast it is cooling down, no guess work.

Lynn Larson

2006-04-15, 1:52pm

That's a very good point! I've been lucky enough to not have had it happen to me, which is probably why i didn't think of it.

PegJake

2006-04-23, 11:24am

Thanks for posting all this great info!! :cool: I SO LOVE BORO and for the life of me...haven't been able to produce any of this lovely stuff!! Anyone out there willing to take a chance and loan a stranger Doug's video? I'll send my "first born son" as collateral...come to think of it...you could just keep the kid....he's been nothing but a PIMA (Pain In My Ass) since he was 8!! (Now 25!!LOL)
Please PM me if you are willing to risk it!! I promise to "Pay it Forward!"
Thanks!!
Peggy